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Where is the rationale in this? This country is on a rapid downward-spiral and we are able to give $100 billion (probably more we don't know about) to the IMF to aid OTHER countries? I told my three year old this morning to start saving his money so he can give it to his children to pay for this kind of shit.

Hypothetically speaking: What would happen if we were to stop ALL foreign aid, bring ALL of our troops home, close our borders, stop importing goods (that we can provide internally) and drill for our own oil. I can imagine the benefits. What would be some of the negatives if that were to happen? I am curious to know what you guys think.

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post #2 of 29 (permalink) Old 03-12-2009, 09:07 AM
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People on the outside begging for us to come back and fund them.

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One big, brighter than the sun fireball would likely insue. I agree that too much of our tax dollars are wasted on dogs that bite the hand that is feeding them. However, total isolationism is not the answer either no matter how much fun it sounds.

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Hypothetically speaking: What would happen if we were to stop ALL foreign aid, bring ALL of our troops home, close our borders, stop importing goods (that we can provide internally) and drill for our own oil. I can imagine the benefits. What would be some of the negatives if that were to happen? I am curious to know what you guys think.
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Okay.

So are you saying that we are eliminating the possibility of world wars by giving aid?
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One big, brighter than the sun fireball would likely insue. I agree that too much of our tax dollars are wasted on dogs that bite the hand that is feeding them. However, total isolationism is not the answer either no matter how much fun it sounds.
I am not necessarily for isolationism (not saying you said I was), but it seems that everytime I pick up a newspaper or read the morning news on MSN, it is more and more of the same shit. I know this is nothing new, but this shit is getting old and real quick. Saving the world will bite America right in the ass at some point.


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I am not necessarily for isolationism (not saying you said I was), but it seems that everytime I pick up a newspaper or read the morning news on MSN, it is more and more of the same shit. I know this is nothing new, but this shit is getting old and real quick. Saving the world will bite America right in the ass at some point.




Touche. Good point.
I don't understand why we give Israel all the money we do, and then give Hamas $900m to "rebuild" what Israel did to them after they bombed Israel? You pick a side, and you go with it...

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I don't understand why we give Israel all the money we do, and then give Hamas $900m to "rebuild" what Israel did to them after they bombed Israel? You pick a side, and you go with it...
I agree. What kills me is that the money we are giving these countries (in one way or another) is money we are probably getting from China. So essentially we are letting money pass through our hands into the hands of others and we take on the burden of the interest. Surely there is a better explanation for this.

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I agree. What kills me is that the money we are giving these countries (in one way or another) is money we are probably getting from China. So essentially we are letting money pass through our hands into the hands of others and we take on the burden of the interest. Surely there is a better explanation for this.
Nice! The US is nothing but a money launderer for the communist to aid the terrorist

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Okay.

So are you saying that we are eliminating the possibility of world wars by giving aid?
No, i think Al is saying isolationist policies in total like that (all the above) is a great way to have things spiral out of control. Isolationist polices like what Ron Paul preaches is exactly why we got punched in the nose twice by the german u-boat compaign and the japanese in both world wars.

I do agree i think we are spending our foreign aid money way too fast and loose though. Then again, a little money overseas helps us defeat our enemies without us doing the fighting, like having the afgans kick the crap out of the soviets.
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No, i think Al is saying isolationist policies in total like that (all the above) is a great way to have things spiral out of control. Isolationist polices like what Ron Paul preaches is exactly why we got punched in the nose twice by the german u-boat compaign and the japanese in both world wars.
x2 All these "ideas" that these politicians have are not new. They've failed before, there's no reason to think they'll work now.
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Isolationist polices like what Ron Paul preaches is exactly why we got punched in the nose twice by the german u-boat compaign and the japanese in both world wars.
I've said this a few times, which promptly triggers the RP zealots to form a lynch mob. I swear those RP boys are as single-minded as the Obama zealots.

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Nice! The US is nothing but a money launderer for the communist to aid the terrorist
Pretty fucked up when you put it that way ..
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Where is the rationale in this? This country is on a rapid downward-spiral and we are able to give $100 billion (probably more we don't know about) to the IMF to aid OTHER countries? I told my three year old this morning to start saving his money so he can give it to his children to pay for this kind of shit.

Hypothetically speaking: What would happen if we were to stop ALL foreign aid, bring ALL of our troops home, close our borders, stop importing goods (that we can provide internally) and drill for our own oil. I can imagine the benefits. What would be some of the negatives if that were to happen? I am curious to know what you guys think.
May I hazard a guess that you are a RP supporter?

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I've said this a few times, which promptly triggers the RP zealots to form a lynch mob. I swear those RP boys are as single-minded as the Obama zealots.

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May I hazard a guess that you are a RP supporter?
Ummm...no. And there is nothing that I have typed that would rightfully give you that idea, but thanks for looking.

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No, i think Al is saying isolationist policies in total like that (all the above) is a great way to have things spiral out of control. Isolationist polices like what Ron Paul preaches is exactly why we got punched in the nose twice by the german u-boat compaign and the japanese in both world wars.

I do agree i think we are spending our foreign aid money way too fast and loose though. Then again, a little money overseas helps us defeat our enemies without us doing the fighting, like having the afgans kick the crap out of the soviets.
Exactly.

Don't get me wrong, foreign aid is very wasteful these days. There needs to be a balance. Part of the reason for our current situation is special interest groups that get our politicians to vote for handouts. But you can't go back to absolutely nothing because then you have no ifluence when you need it. And you need it when the next nutcase decides to take over a continent.

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Here's an idea. Let's rescue our own country from the brink and then down the road address such issues as foreign aid.

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it was not a problem to bring money to his house at 10pm.so why is it a problem to call and bitch.it wasnt a problem when we were all sitting around smoking pot together.yes i said it we all were smoking pot together.what now stupid.
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Ummm...no. And there is nothing that I have typed that would rightfully give you that idea, but thanks for looking.
That's why I asked. Your hypothetical is typical RP stuff, so I was just wondering.

I will take your defensiveness not as a sign of me being right, but an insult at being thought of as a RP supporter. It would insult me also.

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It's almost like our leaders have a hidden agenda to bury the USA.
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That's why I asked. Your hypothetical is typical RP stuff, so I was just wondering.

I will take your defensiveness not as a sign of me being right, but an insult at being thought of as a RP supporter. It would insult me also.
Nah..no RP supporter here. I was hoping McCain would win so I could send Palin a "Tits or GTFO" email. No hope for that I guess. Sending all of this money oversees just got me to wondering what would happen if we kept our money in house. Al summed it up for me, although I still think we should be a hell of a lot more frugal in who we hand tax payer dollars (or Chinese dollars) to.

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Reading this "Thank you President Bush for restoring honor, decency, and character back to the office of POTUS" in your sig makes me long for the Cowboy.

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Reading this "Thank you President Bush for restoring honor, decency, and character back to the office of POTUS" in your sig makes me long for the Cowboy.
I liked him and all but even I admit we could do better. Now lots of people are finding out what I knew all along, we could also do much worse!

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The whole "Circle of Gobal Funding" is something that unfortunately needs to stay. I would, however, venture to go as far as saying 25% of everything we give goes to our enemies (both directly and indirectly). I don't have any proof to back up that claim, but just a guess like most on here do. Even at that staggering percentage, I'd hate to see what would happen without our monetary physical support. Believe it or not, we're controlling the world's stability, even if it isn't our initial funds that is backing it. I'd give society (as we know it) would completely change within a year.

Just off the top of my head, Israel would be attacked by everyone and their mother, Russia would take back the USSR territories (and possibly more), China would expand, South Korea would cease to be thanks to the North, Africa's ethnic cleansing would go ape shit (no pun intended), Venezuela and Cuba would be loading up from Russia, The Balkins (all those counties that were once Yugoslavia- Bosnia, Kosovo, Croatia, Macedonia, Serbia, etc) would be hammering away at eachother again if Russia wasn't already stomping them a new mudhole, India and Pakistan would be popping off at each other while Afghanistan hits Pakistan from behind... I won't even get into the random terroristic activities.

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I'd give society (as we know it) would completely change within a year.
I think the Messiah is going to make this happen anyway. At least here in America.

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I think the Messiah is going to make this happen anyway. At least here in America.
I won't argue that one.
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