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The States are preparing....

http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/legi...9/HCR0006.html

New Hampshire just passed the above link. When they started, there were only a few or 4 states that had passed something similar, but now just within this year, 22 states have passed similar resolutions. State government don't pass things like this for a joke or for the hell of it. Something in the wings of the federal stage is going to go down imo. Thoughts? Tin foil ready?

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http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/legi...9/HCR0006.html

New Hampshire just passed the above link. When they started, there were only a few or 4 states that had passed something similar, but now just within this year, 22 states have passed similar resolutions. State government don't pass things like this for a joke or for the hell of it. Something in the wings of the federal stage is going to go down imo. Thoughts? Tin foil ready?
I made a post about that buried in another thread. Whether or not any of them have any teeth will remain to be seen, but it raises some interesting questions.


Combine that w/ all of the stuff that has been rolled into the 1000+ pg stimulus package that no one has entirely read yet (ie. entire roadways could be named national parks, effectively making it illegal to carry a firearm on that stretch of road)... interesting times could be ahead.


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I made a post about that buried in another thread. Whether or not any of them have any teeth will remain to be seen, but it raises some interesting questions.


Combine that w/ all of the stuff that has been rolled into the 1000+ pg stimulus package that no one has entirely read yet (ie. entire roadways could be named national parks, effectively making it illegal to carry a firearm on that stretch of road)... interesting times could be ahead.

Dunno how i missed your post. Its gaining ground, and made news on Fox today with Beck. And beck was on oreilly tonight. he looked right into the camara and basicly said he is getting ready for a depression and revolution. o reilly tried to play it off, but wasn't too effective.

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Would it be mildly ironic if, by electing this colossal sack of shit to the presidency (at which point we can say racism is dead), it results in the various states of our country seceding? At which point (like you don't see it coming) everyone starts screaming "that's racist"?

Personally, I'm ready to get on with the secession...


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Personally, I'm ready to get on with the secession...

Then get ready for a war, on our own soil. A new Civil War would make the 1861-65 Civil war look like a garden party.

That would be the perfect opportunity for the Russians or Chinese to invade, while we're killing each other. What you wish for would be the end of the USA.

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Hey maybe this would not be such a bad thing. The federal government borrows a bunch of money from the world, passes out said money, then the states cecede leaving the federal government without means to pay its bills. All debts are cancelled. And we create a new country.
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Then get ready for a war, on our own soil. A new Civil War would make the 1862-65 Civil war look like a garden party.

That would be the perfect opportunity for the Russians or Chinese to invade, while we're killing each other. What you wish for would be the end of the USA.

If many of the states seceded, it would result in a civil war? How? Seriously, what would prompt this? The setting up of the new governments, which are essentially allready in place?


Ahhhh! Got it!

The wars would result from the lazy asses being pissed off that they would no longer be rewarded by the existing government for sitting on their collective/ing asses...

Edit: And LOL at anyone invading this country, even after seceding. If that were to happen I HIGHLY doubt that we would turn a cold shoulder on our neighboring countries. All for one would still apply as it's the currentgovernment that we don't approve of...

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If many of the states seceded, it would result in a civil war? How? Seriously, what would prompt this? The setting up of the new governments, which are essentially allready in place?
Same reason for the first Civil War, it's not legal for states to secede, and no Texas does NOT have a right to secede. that's a myth.

The Federal Government is NOT going to sit around while states try to pull out, they didn't in 1861.

Think of ther logistics problems alone, the state would be trying to print money, collect taxes & raise an army all at once while the Fed is attacking us.
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Same reason for the first Civil War, it's not legal for states to secede, and no Texas does NOT have a right to secede. that's a myth.

The Federal Government is NOT going to sit around while states try to pull out, they didn't in 1861.

Think of the logistics problems alone, the state would be trying to print money, collect taxes & raise an army all at once while the Fed is attacking us.

"Whereas the Constitution of the State of New Hampshire, Part 1, Article 7 declares that the people of this State have the sole and exclusive right of governing themselves as a free, sovereign, and independent State; and do, and forever hereafter shall, exercise and enjoy every power, jurisdiction, and right, pertaining thereto, which is not, or may not hereafter be, by them expressly delegated to the United States of America in congress assembled...."


Does that not, in essence, refer to secession? How do you remove your state from compliance with X bullshit measure without doing so?


And I see your point on funding, and am pretty certain that an army would present itself overnight, as we could field at least one milita from this board alone...
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Also, in that the yankees have been giving their guns up and we southerners have been collecting them, they had damned well better think twice about starting that shit again.

They might just get their asses whipped this time around...


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"Whereas the Constitution of the State of New Hampshire, Part 1, Article 7 declares that the people of this State have the sole and exclusive right of governing themselves as a free, sovereign, and independent State; and do, and forever hereafter shall, exercise and enjoy every power, jurisdiction, and right, pertaining thereto, which is not, or may not hereafter be, by them expressly delegated to the United States of America in congress assembled...."


Does that not, in essence, refer to secession? How do you remove your state from compliance with X bullshit measure without doing so?


And I see your point on funding, and am pretty certain that an army would present itself overnight, as we could field at least one milita from this board alone...
Doesn't mean the Federal Governemnt will abide by a states legislation. And do you think a bunch of civilains with AR15's are can take on a military with stealth aircraft, submarines, missiles and nuclear weapons? The result would be a bunch of dead good 'ole boys.

And the minute the state "sucede's" all business contracts are void, most companies pull out, all out of state money is pulled out & the state is bankrupt. Hell, even your auto insurance has a clause that says it's void in case of civil war
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Personally, I'm ready to get on with the secession...


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Ahhhh! Got it!

The wars would result from the lazy asses being pissed off that they would no longer be rewarded by the existing government for sitting on their collective/ing asses...

Edit: it's the currentgovernment that we don't approve of...
OK. We give those people 2 months to move to California or Mass. before they have to start buying thier own groceries, etc.

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Doesn't mean the Federal Governemnt will abide by a states legislation. And do you think a bunch of civilains with AR15's are can take on a military with stealth aircraft, submarines, missiles and nuclear weapons? The result would be a bunch of dead good 'ole boys.

And the minute the state "sucede's" all business contracts are void, most companies pull out, all out of state money is pulled out & the state is bankrupt. Hell, even your auto insurance has a clause that says it's void in case of civil war


You're valid, no doubt.

Though it's been discussed that the military will likely revert to protecting the common folk as opposed to obeying the orders of what is (as we all know) a corrupt government, particularly those of a potus who has done nothing thus far even remotely on a par with what one would expect of him. At this point no one is defending him, which is telling in and of itself.

We all know it's useless chatter. Nothing will come of it, life will go on, and we will bitch about our freedoms slowly eroding. Though our ability to do so will gradually be diminished as more and more of us are hauled off to those damned train cars I read about in another thread... ;]
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OK. We give those people 2 months to move to California or Mass. before they have to start buying thier own groceries, etc.
Lol! Preferably north, as they will help us by eating the food supplies, resulting in a weakened front of dumbasses...
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Doesn't mean the Federal Governemnt will abide by a states legislation. And do you think a bunch of civilains with AR15's are can take on a military with stealth aircraft, submarines, missiles and nuclear weapons? The result would be a bunch of dead good 'ole boys.
Me thinks not many in the military are for Obama and his lot right now, anyway. Heck, I'd predict a coup before a civil war got too far in motion.

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Then get ready for a war, on our own soil. A new Civil War would make the 1861-65 Civil war look like a garden party.

That would be the perfect opportunity for the Russians or Chinese to invade, while we're killing each other. What you wish for would be the end of the USA.


Some would argue that after the tenth amendment state legislation, that the feds were on warning. Once the feds stepped over the line, there wouldn't be a united states due to nulling the constitution that binds the states. Have to remember that what made the US were 13 colonies who decided to ban together. They added the tenth to keep their sovreignty if the feds were ever to impose their own laws on a state that the people didn't agree with.

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Same reason for the first Civil War, it's not legal for states to secede, and no Texas does NOT have a right to secede. that's a myth.

The Federal Government is NOT going to sit around while states try to pull out, they didn't in 1861.

Think of ther logistics problems alone, the state would be trying to print money, collect taxes & raise an army all at once while the Fed is attacking us.
How is it not legal? I haven't found anything that says that. Not trying to start anything, just haven't had any luck finding info on that.

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thats tin foil hat shit right there! Time will tell

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im game for texas and the other 49 to pull out and leave the gov. sitting on its ass.basically an impeached goverment and all,i say ALL its officials.i dont know if we could ever have another north vs. south war in this country but a serious revolution is right around the corner.thank god!

we citizens should deal treasonist tyrantical officials.we need alot of rope!

secede already!

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thats tin foil hat shit right there! Time will tell

Possibly as far as the speculation of what could happen. Though we do know regardless of hat or not, that the states are ramping up to protect thier tenth amendment right of state sovereignty.

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Oh shut the fuck up or add some intelligent food for thought. There's not a damned bit of the convo thus far based on a freakin' star hitting you in the noggin. Fuckin' crackhead...
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Oh shut the fuck up or add some intelligent food for thought. There's not a damned bit of the convo thus far based on a freakin' star hitting you in the noggin. Fuckin' crackhead...
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There are quite a few good ol boys up north as well. The majority of the places you find the asshats are in the metro area's.

If it came back down to it. Id be back in Texas in a heartbeat.

Do i think it will happen? Not anytime soon. It will take alot and i mean alot of people just to get past the damn swat/police. You are going to need the whole city if dallas to start something like this. I just dont think its feasable right now, and If all the people started moving to a certain area you best bet they would shut that shit down fast as well.

something really really big is gunna have to happen.

I laugh at some of these people on forums having 20k rounds of ammo a years supply of food and water.

I like to have 1k of any cal i shoot. Simply to buy in bulk when the prices are cheap.

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Oh shut the fuck up or add some intelligent food for thought. There's not a damned bit of the convo thus far based on a freakin' star hitting you in the noggin. Fuckin' crackhead...
the sky is falling is another way of saying we are doomed, as you so like to yell every chance you get. What i don't get is, if you really think we are headed that way now, why on earth would you be on here typing and not out setting up your fort and making sure you have your guns placed for easy access, when the time comes. LOL


If any state tries to leave the Union the POTUS will declare martial law and remove those in charge of said state. If you think they will not follow the order of the POTUS you are in an even sadder state of mind. Based off all the doom and gloom you claim the only thing you can hope for is coudeta. No POTUS will ever allow a state to leave the union on his or her watch.

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There are quite a few good ol boys up north as well. The majority of the places you find the asshats are in the metro area's.

If it came back down to it. Id be back in Texas in a heartbeat.
Mehh, it'll never happen. Sadly, I'm repeating myself here.

And you and I are basically sworn to not resist the powers that be. How does that work if this stuff were to ever hit the fan?
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Mehh, it'll never happen. Sadly, I'm repeating myself here.

And you and I are basically sworn to not resist the powers that be. How does that work if this stuff were to ever hit the fan?
I think that's where you say...fuck it. We're surviving. Deal with it.

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If any state tries to leave the Union the POTUS will declare martial law and remove those in charge of said state. If you think they will not follow the order of the POTUS you are in an even sadder state of mind. Based off all the doom and gloom you claim the only thing you can hope for is coudeta. No POTUS will ever allow a state to leave the union on his or her watch.

And that doesn't sound familiar? Sturmabteilung ring a bell? How about something more with the times like the Ba'ath party?

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the sky is falling is another way of saying we are doomed, as you so like to yell every chance you get. What i don't get is, if you really think we are headed that way now, why on earth would you be on here typing and not out setting up your fort and making sure you have your guns placed for easy access, when the time comes. LOL


If any state tries to leave the Union the POTUS will declare martial law and remove those in charge of said state. If you think they will not follow the order of the POTUS you are in an even sadder state of mind. Based off all the doom and gloom you claim the only thing you can hope for is coudeta. No POTUS will ever allow a state to leave the union on his or her watch.

Yup, you win. I'm a right wing fanatic intent on starting a revolution. Thank you for pointing this out to me. Here I thought I was engaging in mindless dribble on the internet, with no real intention other than talking bullshit that means absolutely nothing.

Yet when I get my tin foil hat adjusted properly, and google this "coudetta" thing you speak of (that I've never heard of, fwiw), I discover that it's a democratic thing (you're a democrat) that preaches on what? Read as much of the first hit as you can stomach and then tell me how that pertains to the topic at hand.

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/in...2033915AAERZBQ

How does it differ? Which political party is named? Compared to this thread, which seems a tad more sky is falling? How in hell are you, the dolt who is evidently well versed in this coudetta thing, qualified to pass judgement on anyone? Seriously, you just failed in a major way...
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That is what im saying. Something reaaaaaaallly big with have to happen.

Then itll be everyone for themselves. But It will never happen in our lifetime.

I dont think the brotherhood will have any issues. Look at a few lines of the jw station. We can stand against if we feel it will cause harm to the brotherhood.

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Secession has long been a recognized principle of democracy. When the government no longer represents the people, the people (from whom government gets its power) are not obliged to remain under the control of said government.

Consider this: The same reasons that led to the colonies to secede from England's rule are the same reasons that led to the secession of the southern states from the Union (state's rights, local government, taxation without representation, et al).

The problem is, the victor writes the history books and thus the War of Northern Aggression (aka "civil" war) was recorded as solely a racist/slavery issue instead of a legal secession over the exact same principals that led to the Revolutionary War and the birth of the United States.

Consider also that Lincoln waged war on his own citizens and Sherman's troops raped, robbed, pillaged and burned Atlanta to the ground. This was done to citizens of The United States of America by its own government? There is plenty to suggest that Lincoln and Sherman were both guilty of war crimes and genocide by all accepted legal definitions.

For those who believe the southern states couldn't survive financially, the gross national product of the southern states alone would make it the seventh largest economy in the world.

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Secession has long been a recognized principle of democracy. When the government no longer represents the people, the people (from whom government gets its power) are not obliged to remain under the control of said government.

Consider this: The same reasons that led to the colonies to secede from England's rule are the same reasons that led to the secession of the southern states from the Union (state's rights, local government, taxation without representation, et al).

The problem is, the victor writes the history books and thus the War of Northern Aggression (aka "civil" war) was recorded as solely a racist/slavery issue instead of a legal secession over the exact same principals that led to the Revolutionary War and the birth of the United States.

Consider also that Lincoln waged war on his own citizens and Sherman's troops raped, robbed, pillaged and burned Atlanta to the ground. This was done to citizens of The United States of America by its own government? There is plenty to suggest that Lincoln and Sherman were both guilty of war crimes and genocide by all accepted legal definitions.

For those who believe the southern states couldn't survive financially, the gross national product of the southern states alone would make it the seventh largest economy in the world.
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the sky is falling is another way of saying we are doomed, as you so like to yell every chance you get. What i don't get is, if you really think we are headed that way now, why on earth would you be on here typing and not out setting up your fort and making sure you have your guns placed for easy access, when the time comes. LOL


If any state tries to leave the Union the POTUS will declare martial law and remove those in charge of said state. If you think they will not follow the order of the POTUS you are in an even sadder state of mind. Based off all the doom and gloom you claim the only thing you can hope for is coudeta. No POTUS will ever allow a state to leave the union on his or her watch.

Dont you mean coup d'etat? LMAO @ your vast "intelligence"

BTW ...Do you really think that US Soldiers would kill there own countrymen? If you think that every one of them would follow a order that placed there family's in danger you better believe that there would be a mass AWOL movement. Also if you read the link originally posted you would have seen this

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That any Act by the Congress of the United States, Executive Order of the President of the United States of America or Judicial Order by the Judicatories of the United States of America which assumes a power not delegated to the government of United States of America by the Constitution for the United States of America and which serves to diminish the liberty of the any of the several States or their citizens shall constitute a nullification of the Constitution for the United States of America by the government of the United States of America. Acts which would cause such a nullification include, but are not limited to:

I. Establishing martial law or a state of emergency within one of the States comprising the United States of America without the consent of the legislature of that State.

II. Requiring involuntary servitude, or governmental service other than a draft during a declared war, or pursuant to, or as an alternative to, incarceration after due process of law.

III. Requiring involuntary servitude or governmental service of persons under the age of 18 other than pursuant to, or as an alternative to, incarceration after due process of law.

IV. Surrendering any power delegated or not delegated to any corporation or foreign government.

V. Any act regarding religion; further limitations on freedom of political speech; or further limitations on freedom of the press.

VI. Further infringements on the right to keep and bear arms including prohibitions of type or quantity of arms or ammunition; and

That should any such act of Congress become law or Executive Order or Judicial Order be put into force, all powers previously delegated to the United States of America by the Constitution for the United States shall revert to the several States individually. Any future government of the United States of America shall require ratification of three quarters of the States seeking to form a government of the United States of America and shall not be binding upon any State not seeking to form such a government
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Dont you mean coup d'etat? LMAO @ your vast "intelligence"
Holy Cow, that's funny. It didn't even dawn on me what he was trying to say.

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Is it ironic that what he was trying to say revealed what he was secretly researching, or just a coincidence?

And I never even clicked his link, thanks for debunking it. Turns out he really did screw up, moreso than I thought...
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I am betting these state governments already see Hussein Obama and his liberal Democratic controlled Washington setting up and getting ready to start the gun bans, among other things.

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"We are not revolutionaries; therefore, we do not seek the overthrow of the US government. Rather, we seek, by peaceful and well-established legal and constitutional means, to separate ourselves from it. Recourse to the right of separation, or secession, is the very antithesis of armed revolution. Without it, men are not free. The right of secession is never more necessary than when it is denied."

Fitting quote I just ran across...
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Then get ready for a war, on our own soil. A new Civil War would make the 1861-65 Civil war look like a garden party.

That would be the perfect opportunity for the Russians or Chinese to invade, while we're killing each other. What you wish for would be the end of the USA.
lolz, You usually have some smart opinions for various sides, but that has to be one of the most retarded things anyones ever said.

It's kind of hard to make the civil war look like a garden party

Neither the russians nor the chinese have the capability to invade. Not to mention the entire worlds economy would be so far in the shit if the US broke up.
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Same reason for the first Civil War, it's not legal for states to secede, and no Texas does NOT have a right to secede. that's a myth.

The Federal Government is NOT going to sit around while states try to pull out, they didn't in 1861.

Think of ther logistics problems alone, the state would be trying to print money, collect taxes & raise an army all at once while the Fed is attacking us.
Any state has the right to secede, it's in the veins of American history and foundation. The natural law of secession doesn't stop being true just because the man with the bigger stick won the fight. You can't say the founders didn't see it as a natural law either, they decided that when they became traitors to england.
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Doesn't mean the Federal Governemnt will abide by a states legislation. And do you think a bunch of civilains with AR15's are can take on a military with stealth aircraft, submarines, missiles and nuclear weapons? The result would be a bunch of dead good 'ole boys.

And the minute the state "sucede's" all business contracts are void, most companies pull out, all out of state money is pulled out & the state is bankrupt. Hell, even your auto insurance has a clause that says it's void in case of civil war
The minute America used massive firepower to slaughter what would still be in essence other Americans the uprising would be far more catastrophic than to the Federal Govt than you're thinking about. You'd be looking at a counter insurgency, and as history has proven you can't win insurgencies with military might and technology you HAVE to gain the consent of the people other wise hate will still be bred. All a newly formed country has to do is outlast the will of the American people who didn't leave. And that will, will erode far quicker when it's americans shedding american lives on what used to be american soil, and not some far off country.

As far as the companies, they'll naturally go wherever they can make a profit. Capitalism doesn't have a national pride, if America became too weak they'd migrate to whoever will support them. It doesn't matter if that was the new confederacy, the republic of Texas, or even UK. They'll go when the money is, it's their blood.
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"We are not revolutionaries; therefore, we do not seek the overthrow of the US government. Rather, we seek, by peaceful and well-established legal and constitutional means, to separate ourselves from it. Recourse to the right of separation, or secession, is the very antithesis of armed revolution. Without it, men are not free. The right of secession is never more necessary than when it is denied."

Fitting quote I just ran across...
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I am betting these state governments already see Hussein Obama and his liberal Democratic controlled Washington setting up and getting ready to start the gun bans, among other things.


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This will spark some major problems if they did do so. Ive got my gun and nobody's gonna tell me i cannot have one.

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Dont you mean coup d'etat? LMAO @ your vast "intelligence"

BTW ...Do you really think that US Soldiers would kill there own countrymen? If you think that every one of them would follow a order that placed there family's in danger you better believe that there would be a mass AWOL movement. Also if you read the link originally posted you would have seen this
I didn't know how it was spelled when I tried different ways of typing it the one that came back with any valid links was the one i put up, oh noes I can't spell a word.


Do you think US soldiers will risk being held for treason? That paper has no meaning when it comes to what the POTUS or government does. No state can leave the Union. You people kill me with your wishful thinking. The only way any state is leaving the union is with force, because there would be a war shortly after. I hope for you all that your shooting skills are as bad ass as you all think you are, cause you will get your wish and get to use your guns to defend yourself, your home and your state.

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I didn't know how it was spelled when I tried different ways of typing it the one that came back with any valid links was the one i put up, oh noes I can't spell a word.


Do you think US soldiers will risk being held for treason? That paper has no meaning when it comes to what the POTUS or government does. No state can leave the Union. You people kill me with your wishful thinking. The only way any state is leaving the union is with force, because there would be a war shortly after. I hope for you all that your shooting skills are as bad ass as you all think you are, cause you will get your wish and get to use your guns to defend yourself, your home and your state.
Please post the amendment or law stating that the states cannot invoke the tenth amendment. Prove that each state isn't sovereign. Apparently you seem to think you are smarter than several states law makers. Hell, you should call them up and tell them they are wrong and you know how it is done.

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