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Conservatives may be back!....

I got this email from Newsmax. I hope it means Republicans are tired of RINO's like these 3 turncoats who sided with the Dems and the Messiah.


"Dear Fellow American:

I am really angry.

Congress is on the verge of voting to enact President Barack Obama's nearly $1 trillion spending bill, a so-called "stimulus" plan.

We were close to defeating this outrageous plan.

But then three traitorous Republican senators broke ranks to back Obama, Speaker Nancy Pelosi, Majority Leader Harry Reid, and the Democrats.

Who are they? Arlen Specter of Pennsylvania and Susan Collins and Olympia Snowe of Maine.

These three senators have betrayed not only their colleagues but also the basic principles of the Republican Party, including a fiscally sound government.

Collins claimed she voted for the bill after cutting out "fat" — a ridiculous statement, because the Senate proposal she backed will cost at least $8 billion more than the House's pork-laden $819 billion plan.

And Specter said the country needs a stimulus, so he is throwing out all good sense to vote for Obama's plan.

We agree that the economy needs stimulus — real stimulus such as tax cuts — not hundreds of billions in political payoffs to Democratic constituencies.

Consider that the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office has stated the Obama plan will actually hurt the economy — and that less than 20 percent of the "stimulus" will even spent in the next year.

How is this an immediate stimulus, Sen. Specter?

Defeat RINOs Like Specter

The truth is that these three liberal Republicans are RINOS — Republicans in Name Only who — are notorious for siding with the Democrats when important legislation comes up for a vote.

They rely on their belief that many constituents have short memories when it comes time to vote.

But we don't have a short memory.

We at The National Republican Trust PAC will pledge maximum financial support to any Republican who challenges these three senators in a Republican primary.

Arlen Specter is particularly vulnerable.

He is up for election in 2010. He almost lost a close Republican primary in 2004.

He will go down to defeat in 2010 — if we have any say in the matter.

Ad Campaign Will Shock Senators

We at The National Republican Trust believe it is time to hold Republicans accountable when they support Democratic policies that are bad for America.

For far too long we have allowed GOP politicians to run as Republicans and vote like Democrats.

We at The National Republican Trust say "no more." No more to betrayal. No more to fifth columnists in the party.

We need to expose liberal Republicans like Specter, Snowe, and Collins.

In the coming days, The National Republican Trust PAC will roll out radio ads exposing Specter, Collins, and Snowe in their home states.

We will also be targeting conservative Democrats who voted for the Obama pork plan.

It is critically important that we do this, because Obama is planning to push through in the coming weeks for programs like socialized healthcare, reducing our military strength — even legalizing millions of illegal aliens.

Obama promised the most liberal administration in history. It is clear he wants to fulfill this promise.

We can stop him. But it will take real effort and hard work.

We at The National Republican Trust are willing to put in the sweat and tears.

We need your financial support to continue this effort.

If you want to send a message to GOP traitors like Arlen Specter — donate to us today.

Believe me, he and other liberals will get the message as we blanket their states with hard-hitting ads exposing their support for Obama's radical agenda.

It is time to elect conservatives who will represent the interests of Americans.

Those of us who were forced to watch in pain as liberal Republicans defected to support Democrats now have an outlet for our frustrations.

By supporting The National Republican Trust, you know your donation will be used to punish those RINOs who have sold us out time and time again.

Thank you.

Yours for America,

Scott Wheeler
Executive Director

P.S. Please remember the stimulus bill is just the first skirmish in a long battle with the liberals in Congress and the Obama White House. They have already admitted planning the most liberal legislative agenda in history. We must stop them. We need to rebuild the GOP to do it. Help us today. Time is of the essence."

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post #2 of 23 (permalink) Old 02-10-2009, 03:59 PM
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Hell, yeah. Michael Steele has already come out about those three, saying that any republican that votes for that bill, is not a republican at all. They should be run out of the party all together...

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I guess my question is why does the GOP need to be rebuilt? They had control of Congress for 12 years and held the Presidency for 8 years...seems to me the GOP should be a well oiled machine. 95% of the current GOP is the same people as during the previous era of control.

Unless you mean getting neocons out of party control.
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I guess my question is why does the GOP need to be rebuilt? They had control of Congress for 12 years and held the Presidency for 8 years...seems to me the GOP should be a well oiled machine. 95% of the current GOP is the same people as during the previous era of control.

Unless you mean getting neocons out of party control.
How can you have NeoCons when there isn't a single conservative in Washington?

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How can you have NeoCons when there isn't a single conservative in Washington?
Neocons aren't conservatives. Bush was a Neocon
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I guess my question is why does the GOP need to be rebuilt? They had control of Congress for 12 years and held the Presidency for 8 years...seems to me the GOP should be a well oiled machine. 95% of the current GOP is the same people as during the previous era of control.

Unless you mean getting neocons out of party control.
I want true conservatives to be in office. The best way for that to happen is through the Republicans. It is my opinion that Republicans have pandered to the far left and have gone very middle of the road. They have failed to keep the far left in check and our country is now suffering because of it. Look how trying to appease the far left crazies has screwed up everything and we are quickly going to socialism. The people who will benefit in the short term from socialism are the Dems who will insure they get votes from the people who will get all the government assistance. This is no real secret.

BTW, please give your definition of neocon and give me some examples of people you think are neocons that have control of the Republicans and what they have done to screw it up.

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I guess my question is why does the GOP need to be rebuilt? They had control of Congress for 12 years and held the Presidency for 8 years...seems to me the GOP should be a well oiled machine. 95% of the current GOP is the same people as during the previous era of control.

Unless you mean getting neocons out of party control.
You never did answer my question from ther other thread about Ed Schultz being on the front row of the messiah's press conference. You're not ducking me now, are you?

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Neconservatives are Republicans who want BIG goverment, BIG spending, international interventionalism, and are comfortable with large social welfare programs, an aggresive program of social legislation, and many aspects of enviromental protectionism

True conservatives, or classic conservatives support, small government, small balanced budgets, a business friendly atmosphere, a strong military for defense, not international adventures, and a hands off approach to social matters.

My favorite Reagan quote is : "I believe the very heart and soul of conservatism is libertarianism.
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I want true conservatives to be in office. The best way for that to happen is through the Republicans. It is my opinion that Republicans have pandered to the far left and have gone very middle of the road. They have failed to keep the far left in check and our country is now suffering because of it. Look how trying to appease the far left crazies has screwed up everything and we are quickly going to socialism. The people who will benefit in the short term from socialism are the Dems who will insure they get votes from the people who will get all the government assistance. This is no real secret.

BTW, please give your definition of neocon and give me some examples of people you think are neocons that have control of the Republicans and what they have done to screw it up.
I think you pretty much nailed it. Bushs' spending got out of hand, along with the rest of congress. Almost like he was trying to appease them.

BTW, I'm firing off emails and phone calls to the three RINO's that voted for that stinking turd, better known as the "stimulus package". I'm going to keep it clean, but I will tear them a new ass...I promise.

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You never did answer my question from ther other thread about Ed Schultz being on the front row of the messiah's press conference. You're not ducking me now, are you?
Which thread are you talking about?
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Neconservatives are Republicans who want BIG goverment, BIG spending, international interventionalism, and are comfortable with large social welfare programs, an aggresive program of social legislation, and many aspects of enviromental protectionism

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My favorite Reagan quote is : "I believe the very heart and soul of conservatism is libertarianism.

Okay, fair enough. I always thought they were extreme conservatives in some people eyes. I want true conservatives to return to our government. I hope the Messiah brings them out.

I saw a story where the support for the "spendulus bill" is falling like a rock. I hope the Messiah's first major test is a huge failure.

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I'm pretty sure that after 4 years of obama conservatism will experience a rebound, like after jimmy carter was in office.
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Okay, fair enough. I always thought they were extreme conservatives in some people eyes. I want true conservatives to return to our government. I hope the Messiah brings them out.

I saw a story where the support for the "spendulus bill" is falling like a rock. I hope the Messiah's first major test is a huge failure.

We're in full agreement here....
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Which thread are you talking about?
https://www.dfwstangs.net/forums/showthread.php?t=382803

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And what about Ed Schultz? Did you miss my ENTIRE point? What is he?
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Thanks, Stevo!

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You never did answer my question from ther other thread about Ed Schultz being on the front row of the messiah's press conference. You're not ducking me now, are you?
OK, I answered in that thread. But I don't know who Ed Schultz is, so I offered no opinion on him.
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I'm pretty sure that after 4 years of obama conservatism will experience a rebound, like after jimmy carter was in office.
Then it's a damned shame it takes react, react, react....for them to get their counter campaigning heads out of their asses. Could SOMEBODY stop campaigning already and just run the damned country!?!?

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OK, I answered in that thread. But I don't know who Ed Schultz is, so I offered no opinion on him.
He's like Jeff Gannon in disguise. Cept he's not a pecker puffer like Rove's butt buddy boyfriend Gannon...

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I just do not see how tax cuts (during war time) with out a drastic cut in government spending are going to help.

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I just do not see how tax cuts (during war time) with out a drastic cut in government spending are going to help.
Generally, tax cuts cause an increase in tax revenues as more people spend, invest, make more money, etc.

What's better? Taxing a company at 35% and having sales go down because of the increased burden on the goods or taxing a company at 25% and having sales go up? More money available to a company means more money reinvested in the company (ergo JOBS) or a the savings passed on to the product which allows for increased sales.

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Generally, tax cuts cause an increase in tax revenues as more people spend, invest, make more money, etc.

What's better? Taxing a company at 35% and having sales go down because of the increased burden on the goods or taxing a company at 25% and having sales go up? More money available to a company means more money reinvested in the company (ergo JOBS) or a the savings passed on to the product which allows for increased sales.
Exactly, tax cuts leaves more money in people's pockets, and more money in corporate coffers. When a person has more money available they are more likely to spend it, raising sales tax revenues, and boosting the economy by moving product or services. When a company has more money it is more likely to invest it, hiring people and expanding operations. Think about it - are you more willing to spend when you have a lot left over after basic living expenses, or when you have a little left over?

I work as essentially an individual contractor in california. I'm faced with paying:

1. ~35% payroll tax
2. 15% self employment tax
3. 6% california state tax

and if I work there more than a year I also get to start paying ~35% taxes on my expenses (roughly $2200/month). Thats another $770 a month right off the top of my check.

Needless to say that's a hell of a lot of money out of my check, money that I could otherwise use to buy products or services. If the government takes that money I cannot spend it.
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Generally, tax cuts cause an increase in tax revenues as more people spend, invest, make more money, etc.

What's better? Taxing a company at 35% and having sales go down because of the increased burden on the goods or taxing a company at 25% and having sales go up? More money available to a company means more money reinvested in the company (ergo JOBS) or a the savings passed on to the product which allows for increased sales.
I understand that when you cut taxes you sometimes se an increase in consumer spending. but the companies that are hurting right now are hurting because, their customers do not have jobs, or they had their wages cut.

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