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Arizona Rancher Who Stopped Illegal Immigrants at Border Now Fighting $32 Million Lawsuit

Monday, February 09, 2009

An Arizona man who has waged a 10-year campaign to stop a flood of illegal immigrants from crossing his property is being sued by 16 Mexican nationals — seeking $32 million in damages — who accuse him of conspiring to violate their civil rights when he stopped them at gunpoint on his ranch on the U.S.-Mexico border, the Washington Times reported Monday.

The rancher, Roger Barnett, 64, began rounding up illegal immigrants in 1998 and turning them over to the U.S. Border Patrol after they destroyed his property, killed his calves and broke into his home, the newspaper reported.

The lawsuit is based on a March 7, 2004, incident in a dry wash on the 22,000-acre ranch, when he approached a group of illegal immigrants while carrying a gun and accompanied by a large dog.

Attorneys for the immigrants — five women and 11 men who were trying to cross illegally into the United States — have accused Barnett of holding the group captive at gunpoint, threatening to turn his dog loose on them and saying he would shoot anyone who tried to escape.

His Cross Rail Ranch near Douglas, Ariz., is known by federal and county law enforcement authorities as "the avenue of choice" for immigrants seeking to enter the United States illegally, the newspaper reports.
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he should have shot them then called for help.

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he should have shot them then burried them, after making them dig their own grave..
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the USA should pay for his defense

If he sets up a fund, I'll send a few his way.
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" violate their civil rights"???

If these are mexican citizens, how is it they have "civil rights" in America, a country they are trying to enter illegally??


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If he sets up a fund, I'll send a few his way.
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Complete and utter bullshit. I bet the illegals get some money, too.

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I would be in for a few bucks.
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Question: How many illegals have you apprehended?

Barnett: We've turned over to the Border Patrol close to 12,000 [as of April, 2004]. That's on just weekends, too, in probably 6 1/2 years. Last weekend, we did 71. In 2003, we only did 1,480. The year before that, in 2002, was 2,369. 2001 was 2,068. And so far this year it's 1,068.

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what kind of cock sucking lawyer would take that case?

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Damn!

I hope the other 11,984 don't find out about the suit...

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Why is any US court even allowing this trial to take place. They are not US citizens and have no rights.
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Question: How many illegals have you apprehended?
If they did, I might bag a few for transport. I don't live on the border either.
I'll send the guy being sued some support for doing the governments job.
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2 border patrol officers come to mind here....

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I've caught a few Mexicans riding across my property on horses. I'm sure at least one of them is illegal; wonder if I could get away with putting a few of them down .
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sounds like he needs to set up some machinegun nests.

its still "we the people"right?

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I understand why some money hungry lawyer might take the case since alot of lawyers are bleeding hearts.

What I don't undertsand is where the juries are found that will side with illegals/criminals in cases like this?

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hould have sent the dog over there and let him take care of them. how can illegals sue? They are trespassing they have no case fuck em!

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hould have sent the dog over there and let him take care of them. how can illegals sue? They are trespassing they have no case fuck em!
Exactly. Buy an army of rottweilers and pitbulls, attack them on a daily basis with fajitas, tacos, pinatas, maracas, and gold daytons and then set them loose on the range.
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Shit, I wonder if he's hiring
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Attorneys for the immigrants — five women and 11 men who were trying to cross illegally into the United States — have accused Barnett of holding the group captive at gunpoint, threatening to turn his dog loose on them and saying he would shoot anyone who tried to escape.
The way I read it is the issue they are pressing is the boldface text here. I believe you are authorized by law to defend yourself and your property but you're not allowed to hold anyone as a prisoner. It was pointed out in my CHL class that if you catch someone breaking into your house and you have them at gunpoint waiting for the cops to get there, you can't really do shit if they run away. In the eyes of the law, you have defended yourself and the threat is leaving.

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This thread reminded me of the case where a Texas rancher's land was awarded to the illegal trespassers after they sued him. I believe this was the case.

(There are also other interesting tidbits on that site that should piss you off).

http://www.stopthenorthamericanunion...c.Madness.html

7. Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) Takes American's Ranch for Illegal Aliens:

In a highly publicized action, SPLC lawyers for two El Salvador illegal aliens, sued ranch owner Casey Nethercott, the leader of Ranch Rescue, for 'harming' them when they illegally invaded our country and trespassed on a ranch Nethercott was protecting in Hebbronville, Texas.

"The two immigrants [illegal aliens] later accused Mr. Nethercott of threatening them and of hitting Mr. Mancía with a pistol, charges that Mr. Nethercott denied." Nethercott was never convicted of the 'pistol-whipping' but did receive a five-year jail sentence for gun possession, because of a prior assault conviction in California. "The immigrants also said the group gave them cookies, water and a blanket and let them go after an hour or so . . . The immigrants [illegal aliens] said the ordeal, in which they feared that they would be killed by the men they thought were soldiers, had left them with post-traumatic stress."(37)

Good grief . . . just think what Mr. Nethercott was left with! What must HIS 'post-traumatic stress' be like, to lose one's ranch and livelihood, and freedom while serving his five-year jail sentence? Outrageously, Nethercott did not have legal representation when the court awarded his land to the illegals. What a 'piece of cake' win for the SPLC lawyers of the illegal aliens.

It's a good bet that had he been an illegal alien, he would have had a lawyer to represent him. The court would have made certain of that, count on it! But, Mr. Nethercott, he's just another 'dumb schmuck' American citizen. It's okay to leave him undefended while the court takes away his land.

After taking the ranch is was gloatingly announced: "Certainly it's poetic justice that these undocumented workers [illegal aliens] own this [Mr. Nethercott's] land,' said Morris S. Dees Jr., co-founder and chief trial counsel of the Southern Poverty Law Center [SPLC] in Montgomery, Ala., which represented the immigrants [illegal aliens] in their lawsuit."(37)

After getting the ranch, the illegal aliens, "Edwin Alfredo Mancía Gonzáles and Fátima del Socorro Leiva Medina, . . . [said they] . . . were happy with the outcome."(37) Oh, you can just bet they were! They break our laws to enter our country illegally, trespass on private property and are rewarded with a ranch. It doesn't get much better than that! Only in America!

To top that off . . . "Mr. Mancía, who lives in Los Angeles, and Ms. Leiva, who lives in the Dallas area, have applied for visas that are available to immigrants who are the victims of certain crimes and who cooperate with the authorities, [allowing them to stay here legally] . . . " In addition, while they are waiting for a decision on their applications, they can "stay and work in the United States on a year-to-year basis."(37) Insanity reigns!
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So, that should be a lesson if you catch someone on your property. Kill them dead so they can't say you detained them.
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The civil jury at the U.S. District Court in Tucson, Arizona, found Roger Barnett liable for assault and intentionally inflicting emotional distress in the incident in March 2004. It ordered him to pay four women $73,352 in damages, attorneys for the plaintiffs said.

The Mexican American Legal Defense and Educational Fund, which backed the suit, said the group of Mexican nationals was resting in a dry streambed in Douglas, Arizona, when they were approached by Barnett, who was armed with a gun and accompanied by a large dog.

The suit alleged Barnett held them captive at gunpoint, threatening that his dog would attack and that he would shoot anyone who tried to leave.

David Hardy, an attorney representing Barnett, said his client was found not liable on claims of battery, false imprisonment and violation of civil rights, and planned to appeal.

The trial highlighted the issue of vigilante violence in southern Arizona, which is a major thoroughfare for illegal immigrants and the place where several civilian border patrols have operated in recent years.

"This verdict in favor of the plaintiffs sends a strong message condemning vigilante violence against immigrants," MALDEF staff attorney Marisol Perez said in a statement.

Barnett, who claims to have detained more than 10,000 people who crossed the border illegally from Mexico and handed them over to the U.S. Border Patrol, has faced previous civil action.

In November 2006, a jury found Barnett responsible for holding a Mexican-American family at gunpoint during a hunting trip, and awarded them nearly $100,000 in damages.
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Shoot them and go home and have coffee. Where is the problem?
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For Christ's sake had the 8 people on that jury gone stark raving nuts. I can't believe that 8 sane people did not laugh that stupid Lawyer and his band of idiots right out of the courtroom. The whole world has gone crazy.
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Which is why you shoot tresspassers, say you feared for your family as they had you outnumbered and call it a day.
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He should have shot them, next time he will. And he should counter sue the Mexican government for humans rights violations based on their shit running uphill (hemispherically speaking)

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For Christ's sake had the 8 people on that jury gone stark raving nuts. I can't believe that 8 sane people did not laugh that stupid Lawyer and his band of idiots right out of the courtroom. The whole world has gone crazy.
Knowing the system, the 8 on the jury were probably illegals or paid off by the Mexican fund supporting the case.

Why the fuck do we have a border patrol at all? Do they do anything? Why don't we pull the troops out of the middle east and give them something to do....like patrol our borders and keep our country safe from foreign threats...



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well you have to understand that civil law and criminal law are very different, to win a civil case you need only show that someone was put at the slightest loss, or deprivation, due to either parties misfortune or negligence. even though something may be legal, you can still get sued for it. there is a special insurance that many ranchers down on the border cary that protect them from loosing their property in a suit.

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