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That chart is based on recessions, not depressions.
The sooner we all accept the fact we are in a depression, the better. We can hardly start fixing it if we can't even agree on where we are.

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With trends, we were passed that 2 years ago. Obama is on clean up duty with the worst to come and rednecks all over the country will blame him.
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Now W's job... that was the gig.

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With trends, we were passed that 2 years ago. Obama is on clean up duty with the worst to come and rednecks all over the country will blame him.
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poor guy. I'd not want his job.
Now W's job... that was the gig.
The gig was dealing with September 11th's attack? Really? And deploying forces into 2 countries to keep it from happening again? Oh, I know, what about the fact that when he wouldn't back down and listen to the UN, he was criticised from the entire world for not just getting along.

Yeah, Bush had it easy.
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With trends, we were passed that 2 years ago. Obama is on clean up duty with the worst to come and rednecks all over the country will blame him.
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Now W's job... that was the gig.
LMAO...not even worth a response...

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That chart is based on recessions, not depressions.
The sooner we all accept the fact we are in a depression, the better. We can hardly start fixing it if we can't even agree on where we are.
Dude, you don't even know what the fuck a depression is. Why don't you look into what real hardships are. Just because you can't afford to fix the car you wrecked and get it's paint job done, or get starbucks, doesn't mean we're in a depression. This is shit compared to what a depression is, a mere inconvenience. This kind of talk is quintessential example of pussification this countries privileged youth.
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Dude, you don't even know what the fuck a depression is. Why don't you look into what real hardships are. Just because you can't afford to fix the car you wrecked and get it's paint job done, or get starbucks, doesn't mean we're in a depression. This is shit compared to what a depression is, a mere inconvenience. This kind of talk is quintessential example of pussification this countries privileged youth.
No kidding. 7.6% unemployment...waaa! 4.25% mortgages...waaa! of course, he's not in Texas, and we are faring a LOT better overall than the rest of the country.

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'Some employees are simply irreplaceable. Take Michelle Obama: The University of Chicago Medical center hired her in 2002 to run "programs for community relations, neighborhood outreach, volunteer recruitment, staff diversity and minority contracting."

In 2005 the hospital raised her salary from $120,000 to $317,000 - nearly twice what her husband made as a Senator.

Oh did we mention that her husband had just become a US Senator? He sure had. Requested a $1 Million earmark for the UC Medical Center, in fact. Way to network Michelle!

But now that Mrs Obama has resigned, the hospital says her position will remain unfilled. How can that be, if the work she did was vital enough to be worth $317,000?

We can think of only one explanation: Senator Roland Burris's wife wasn't interested.

---The Editors of National Review, writing in the Magazine's Feb 9 issue.'

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'Some employees are simply irreplaceable. Take Michelle Obama: The University of Chicago Medical center hired her in 2002 to run "programs for community relations, neighborhood outreach, volunteer recruitment, staff diversity and minority contracting."

In 2005 the hospital raised her salary from $120,000 to $317,000 - nearly twice what her husband made as a Senator.

Oh did we mention that her husband had just become a US Senator? He sure had. Requested a $1 Million earmark for the UC Medical Center, in fact. Way to network Michelle!

But now that Mrs Obama has resigned, the hospital says her position will remain unfilled. How can that be, if the work she did was vital enough to be worth $317,000?

We can think of only one explanation: Senator Roland Burris's wife wasn't interested.

---The Editors of National Review, writing in the Magazine's Feb 9 issue.'

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With trends, we were passed that 2 years ago. Obama is on clean up duty with the worst to come and rednecks all over the country will blame him.
lol
poor guy. I'd not want his job.
Now W's job... that was the gig.
All the while liberal socialists like you busy yourselves smoking his pole, giving him a free pass as him and his Democratic congress plunder our country's future.

I rather be a redneck who knows who is to blame than a liberal with my head in the sand.

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With trends, we were passed that 2 years ago. Obama is on clean up duty with the worst to come and rednecks all over the country will blame him.
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poor guy. I'd not want his job.
Now W's job... that was the gig.
Damn dude, you are getting beat the fuck up by the resident DFWStang know-it-alls. I have a question for you GW nuthuggers....if he was such a great fuckin president then 1. Why was his approval rating so low and 2. Why did over half the world hate is guts?

Plus, how does one become a "liberal socialist" with the above comment Moddin made? Most people on here could not tell you what a liberal socialist is w/o referring to Wikipedia but it sounds good because they heard someone else say it. Obama IS on clean up duty no matter what anyone says. It is a fact AND unlike Bubba Bush he actually addresses the problems that alot of Americans are facing right now. America voted in November and you Republicans lost. Get over it already...really. Apparently more of the country disagrees with you than the opposite.

And 5.0CJ:

"Why don't you look into what real hardships are. Just because you can't afford to fix the car you wrecked and get it's paint job done, or get starbucks, doesn't mean we're in a depression. This is shit compared to what a depression is, a mere inconvenience."

Dude where do you get your information at? A depression is defined as a 10% or more total drop in GDP. I am not saying we are in a depression, but many many economists who are much smarter at this shit than you or I are saying that we are not far from that reality. There are towns setting up food banks that never existed before because people who have lost their jobs can no longer afford to buy food for their families. Walk into one of those lines and try to tell them about "real hardships" and that this is a "mere inconvenience". Do you think that someone asking for a hand-out gives a fuck whether we call it a depression or a recession? Probably not. We are not feeling this much in North Texas so why try to talk like you know the experiences of people going through this shit. I doubt that Congress is politicking over an $800 billion proposal so that people can get paint jobs and coffee.

And Stevo:

"I rather be a redneck who knows who is to blame than a liberal with my head in the sand."

The guy has been president for 3 weeks and you and others like you are already set to play the blame game. Maybe your mentality is the problem. Instead of trying to figure out the problem and work towards the goal of fixing it, you are ready to place blame for things that have not even happened yet.

I don't personally think Bush is at fault for the current problems. These problems were set in motion decades ago, so who is to blame? You people on here amaze me with your short sidedness and know-it-all mentality. Is there anyone on here who has ran/or held a public office? Probably not. But there are plenty who want to armchair quarterback what is inarguably one of the toughest jobs in the world.


I have now effectively offended 7/8 of the people on here so I am done. And before I get the obligatory "You liberal socialist Obama pussy...etc etc etc"...I did not vote for the guy. I voted for the old white dude..but Obama is what we got so for the sake of everyone...you bajillionaires on here included...let's hope he does makes positive changes and sets things in the right direction.

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Damn dude, you are getting beat the fuck up by the resident DFWStang know-it-alls. I have a question for you GW nuthuggers....if he was such a great fuckin president then 1. Why was his approval rating so low and 2. Why did over half the world hate is guts?

Plus, how does one become a "liberal socialist" with the above comment Moddin made? Most people on here could not tell you what a liberal socialist is w/o referring to Wikipedia but it sounds good because they heard someone else say it. Obama IS on clean up duty no matter what anyone says. It is a fact AND unlike Bubba Bush he actually addresses the problems that alot of Americans are facing right now. America voted in November and you Republicans lost. Get over it already...really. Apparently more of the country disagrees with you than the opposite.

And 5.0CJ:

"Why don't you look into what real hardships are. Just because you can't afford to fix the car you wrecked and get it's paint job done, or get starbucks, doesn't mean we're in a depression. This is shit compared to what a depression is, a mere inconvenience."

Dude where do you get your information at? A depression is defined as a 10% or more total drop in GDP. I am not saying we are in a depression, but many many economists who are much smarter at this shit than you or I are saying that we are not far from that reality. There are towns setting up food banks that never existed before because people who have lost their jobs can no longer afford to buy food for their families. Walk into one of those lines and try to tell them about "real hardships" and that this is a "mere inconvenience". Do you think that someone asking for a hand-out gives a fuck whether we call it a depression or a recession? Probably not. We are not feeling this much in North Texas so why try to talk like you know the experiences of people going through this shit. I doubt that Congress is politicking over an $800 billion proposal so that people can get paint jobs and coffee.

And Stevo:

"I rather be a redneck who knows who is to blame than a liberal with my head in the sand."

The guy has been president for 3 weeks and you and others like you are already set to play the blame game. Maybe your mentality is the problem. Instead of trying to figure out the problem and work towards the goal of fixing it, you are ready to place blame for things that have not even happened yet.

I don't personally think Bush is at fault for the current problems. These problems were set in motion decades ago, so who is to blame? You people on here amaze me with your short sidedness and know-it-all mentality. Is there anyone on here who has ran/or held a public office? Probably not. But there are plenty who want to armchair quarterback what is inarguably one of the toughest jobs in the world.


I have now effectively offended 7/8 of the people on here so I am done. And before I get the obligatory "You liberal socialist Obama pussy...etc etc etc"...I did not vote for the guy. I voted for the old white dude..but Obama is what we got so for the sake of everyone...you bajillionaires on here included...let's hope he does makes positive changes and sets things in the right direction.
well excuse us mr. fucking know it all that doesn't KNOW shit. gtfo!

"I don't personally think Bush is at fault for the current problems. These problems were set in motion decades ago, so who is to blame? You people on here amaze me with your short sidedness and know-it-all mentality."

bush fucked us hard in the ass you fool.where have you been?

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Dude where do you get your information at? A depression is defined as a 10% or more total drop in GDP. I am not saying we are in a depression, but many many economists who are much smarter at this shit than you or I are saying that we are not far from that reality. There are towns setting up food banks that never existed before because people who have lost their jobs can no longer afford to buy food for their families. Walk into one of those lines and try to tell them about "real hardships" and that this is a "mere inconvenience". Do you think that someone asking for a hand-out gives a fuck whether we call it a depression or a recession? Probably not. We are not feeling this much in North Texas so why try to talk like you know the experiences of people going through this shit. I doubt that Congress is politicking over an $800 billion proposal so that people can get paint jobs and coffee.
Lol who the hell is this guy?

You just said where the hell do I get my information, and then you supply your own evidence to disprove that we're in a depression? You need to crack open a book and read about the depression. You don't know what a depression is, you think you know, but you don't. Your argument is "Even though we're not technically in a depression, we are." that's pretty damn weak. Look into the great depression - that is what I call hardships. People starving to death, not bitching about how many food stamps they get. What I said very clearly was today's generations simply don't know what hardships really are. You think you got it bad? Imagine a great depression, then the dust bowl when agriculture took a nose dive and people starved to death, ate shoe leather and dirt, and then went into a world war where everything from tin to rubber was rationed. That is a depression - that's hardships. Waiting in line for food stamps isn't hardships.
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Lol who the hell is this guy?
Waiting in line for food stamps isn't hardships.
Yes sir!

Fucking Moochers. Quit sucking on the economy's tit already!

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Lol who the hell is this guy?

You just said where the hell do I get my information, and then you supply your own evidence to disprove that we're in a depression? You need to crack open a book and read about the depression. You don't know what a depression is, you think you know, but you don't. Your argument is "Even though we're not technically in a depression, we are." that's pretty damn weak. Look into the great depression - that is what I call hardships. People starving to death, not bitching about how many food stamps they get. What I said very clearly was today's generations simply don't know what hardships really are. You think you got it bad? Imagine a great depression, then the dust bowl when agriculture took a nose dive and people starved to death, ate shoe leather and dirt, and then went into a world war where everything from tin to rubber was rationed. That is a depression - that's hardships. Waiting in line for food stamps isn't hardships.
Lol at "who the hell is this guy?"..lol...forgive me if I don't have 10k posts..I guess that doesn't entitle me to an opinion. So if I "crack open a book" and read about a depression that will tell me all that I need to know about a depression? I have read about the Great Depression and all that I know came from a book, like yourself. So you can step down from the high and mighty "You don't know what a depression is, you think you know, but you don't". Maybe you should go back a re-read my post since there is nothing in there saying that "Even though we're not technically in a depression, we are."

"What I said very clearly was today's generations simply don't know what hardships really are." -Not disagreeing with you here-

"Waiting in line for foodstamps"? Who said anything about food stamps? I am talking about people standing in today's version of soup lines because they can not get food elsewhere. But to you this is a "mere inconvenience". Nice...
The truth is you (nor I) have any clue about the realities and hardships that people are facing right now as we type this banter bullshit that has no bearing on anything. Once again, go stand in a "soup line" or tell your kids that you have to move (and you don't know where to) and then come back here and see if you can justifiably call it a mere inconvenience. But that's ok, you live in Texas and are a member of DFWStangs so that means you can speak on the plight of others with impunity.

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"I rather be a redneck who knows who is to blame than a liberal with my head in the sand."

The guy has been president for 3 weeks and you and others like you are already set to play the blame game. Maybe your mentality is the problem. Instead of trying to figure out the problem and work towards the goal of fixing it, you are ready to place blame for things that have not even happened yet.

I don't personally think Bush is at fault for the current problems. These problems were set in motion decades ago, so who is to blame? You people on here amaze me with your short sidedness and know-it-all mentality. Is there anyone on here who has ran/or held a public office? Probably not. But there are plenty who want to armchair quarterback what is inarguably one of the toughest jobs in the world.


I have now effectively offended 7/8 of the people on here so I am done. And before I get the obligatory "You liberal socialist Obama pussy...etc etc etc"...I did not vote for the guy. I voted for the old white dude..but Obama is what we got so for the sake of everyone...you bajillionaires on here included...let's hope he does makes positive changes and sets things in the right direction.
In his first three weeks, he has attempted to employ four criminals (tax evasion) in his cabinet and is pressuring to pass a trillion dollar spending bill and claiming it to be everything but. He has already said he plans on further restricting my freedoms. I don't have to wait any longer to know the score.

Get pissed because others are not falling for his bullshit if you want, suck his dick and ignore his actions if you want, choose to think he isn't just another slimy politician making promises that he will never keep, but you cannot condemn our concerns when the evidence is laying at your feet.


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Damn dude, you are getting beat the fuck up by the resident DFWStang know-it-alls. I have a question for you GW nuthuggers....if he was such a great fuckin president then 1. Why was his approval rating so low and 2. Why did over half the world hate is guts?

Plus, how does one become a "liberal socialist" with the above comment Moddin made? Most people on here could not tell you what a liberal socialist is w/o referring to Wikipedia but it sounds good because they heard someone else say it. Obama IS on clean up duty no matter what anyone says. It is a fact AND unlike Bubba Bush he actually addresses the problems that alot of Americans are facing right now. America voted in November and you Republicans lost. Get over it already...really. Apparently more of the country disagrees with you than the opposite.
Your entitled to your own opinion regardless of your post count lol... ppl just pull that shit when they feel you proved a point and don't have much to say.

YES, Bush fucked up and YES pretty much everyone is not on the best terms with him at the moment but LOOK AT HIS SITUATION. He went through some shit during his 2 terms dude. What was it, less than 1 year into his first term we got attacked and the rest is history. BUSH was put in a losing situation.

Look at Obama dude: if he fucks up, he has this trillion dollar "stimulus package" that will get passed and do worthless construction in three years when he just so "happens" to be up for re-election. If all else fails, BLAME IT ON BUSH!! FUCK! Lol, if he can't fix it, just blame it on the white guy right? If he somehow fixes the economy and reduces the debt then he is a hero and the Republican party crawls into a corner and dies forever.

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Na. It was a fuckin popularity contest. You know it. Everyone with a brain knows it. McCain was a horrible candidate and effed it all up and Obama is just an Exceptionally good people person. NOW, when he's in office, even democrats are saying "well we didn't vote him in for this" and "he seems more arrogant than before." The man is holding up to his word which most politicians don't do and I have to RESPECT that however I think it SOOOO funny that the people that voted him in are so fucking ignorant to see what his policies were in the first place.

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The man is holding up to his word which most politicians don't do and I have to RESPECT that however I think it SOOOO funny that the people that voted him in are so fucking ignorant to see what his policies were in the first place.
When he says "no more lobbyist', then promptly starts appointing them, when he says "I'm cutting out pork", then immediately enacts the largest pork laden bill ever, How can you say that "he's keeping his word?" This all within the first three weeks?
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I'll take "make Obama look like an even bigger fool" for 1000,Alex.

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The gig was dealing with September 11th's attack? Really? And deploying forces into 2 countries to keep it from happening again? Oh, I know, what about the fact that when he wouldn't back down and listen to the UN, he was criticised from the entire world for not just getting along.

Yeah, Bush had it easy.
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I'll take "make Obama look like an even bigger fool" for 1000,Alex.

Hannity in the front row would rock, until he was "escorted"out..
All Hannity would need to do, is sit there with that "Cheshire cat" (i.e. shit-eating) grin on his face, and he would earn a back-alley beat-down.

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Hannity & Limbaugh are not press agents....they're entertainers. You may love thier ideaology but Hannity, Limbaugh,Coulter, Levin and others are entertainers. Thier lawyers have said so in court.
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Your entitled to your own opinion regardless of your post count lol... ppl just pull that shit when they feel you proved a point and don't have much to say.

YES, Bush fucked up and YES pretty much everyone is not on the best terms with him at the moment but LOOK AT HIS SITUATION. He went through some shit during his 2 terms dude. What was it, less than 1 year into his first term we got attacked and the rest is history. BUSH was put in a losing situation.

Look at Obama dude: if he fucks up, he has this trillion dollar "stimulus package" that will get passed and do worthless construction in three years when he just so "happens" to be up for re-election. If all else fails, BLAME IT ON BUSH!! FUCK! Lol, if he can't fix it, just blame it on the white guy right? If he somehow fixes the economy and reduces the debt then he is a hero and the Republican party crawls into a corner and dies forever.

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Na. It was a fuckin popularity contest. You know it. Everyone with a brain knows it. McCain was a horrible candidate and effed it all up and Obama is just an Exceptionally good people person. NOW, when he's in office, even democrats are saying "well we didn't vote him in for this" and "he seems more arrogant than before." The man is holding up to his word which most politicians don't do and I have to RESPECT that however I think it SOOOO funny that the people that voted him in are so fucking ignorant to see what his policies were in the first place.
Man I agree with you 100% about Bush. Bush had one hell of a fucked up job over tha last 8 years for sure. I would not have wanted his job. I voted for Bush...both times but in my mind that doesn't change the fact of some of the BS that went down. I can appreciate the fact that Obama is man enough to says "my bad" whereas Bush never once (not that I know of) said "hey guys I fucked up". And as stated before, I did not vote for him...I am just saying that we can't change that now so why not look for a solution.

I watched his speech and I can only hope that he will try to do what he says. If he pulls a 180 then America should call for an impeachment. And the reason that the Democrats are saying "well we didn't vote him in for this" is because he has moved to the middle...like ALL politicians do. Look back at any election and any candidate. They all start to the right or left (depending on Rep. vs. Dem) to gain their party's nomination. As the election gets closer they all start to gravitate towards the center. It garners more votes from John Q. Public.

What I would like to see from this board is what people feel needs to be done to fix the economy. We all know it is fucked up and the 800 Billion is probably not going to fix al of the problems. So what would people on here do differently? It is easy to say "Create more jobs, kick out the illegals, fuck people on welfare..etc etc. etc.". I wonder what the social implications would be if we took the advice of one of the posters above about welfare. He said "I am tired of paying for this shit". I am as well. It is so godamn frustrating to know that there are able bodied men and women sitting around waiting for the "first of the month", but what do people suggest? Cut off those checks and sit back and watch crime go through the fuckin' roof. Why do you think crime is so prevalent in poor neighborhoods? It is not because the color of their skin. And I know...the tough guys (not you..your post is actually civil as compared to some) on here will come out of the wood works and say "I got some guns waitin' for 'em, git 'er done!" Yeah we got it, but you have to sleep sometime so what then?

I won't disgree with you about the polularity contest. I won't. But I also know that it had to do with a couple of other factors. 1. America is tired of being at war. McCain left little doubt that he would follow Bush's policies concerning that area.
2. Minorities voted in record numbers. Need I say more? 3. America wants a different direction and they did not see that in McCain. Let's just hope it is the right direction.

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There is an entire thread about our ideas on how to fix the economic situation. I'll see if I can find it for you.

You are right that America is tired of being at war, but that's not about to change. It doesn't matter who's in office. We are going to be in some sort of war for a long time. Things are slowing down in Iraq, but we are now getting ready to go to Afganastan again. It's just something that's not going to go away any time soon.

Yes America wanted a different direction, but not all different is better. We will most definitely get a "different direction" with Obama in office, I just don't feel liike it will be better. I hope I have to eat my words on that one, but I doubt it.

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Thanks for linking that post. Some people on here have some good ideas and some bad ones...lol. I agree with you about us being at war for some time to come, but at least with Obama there is an end in site to Iraq, which we had no business being there in the first place. There was no conceivable end in site with Bush. I am tired of reading about fellow Marines (and Soldiers) dying in combat. Eight years we have been at war. Can someone please tell me any serious advances we have made? Irag just had some elections, wow good for them. Afghanistan is still ruins and you can bet your ass that when all is said and done we will be paying to create new infrastructure (= more of our tax dollars at work). I am all for accomplishing what we started...but get on with it already. Maybe I am jaded to the idea of "sink or swim" but we need to explain to them (Iraqis) that 1. We are done, 2. here are the tools you need to combat these knuckleheads in your country, and 3. good luck. If it is more complicated than that someone please tell me...I will listen to different thoughts and opinions.

I'm not a 'Bama nuthugger by no means...I restate that I did not vote for him...etc etc etc ...we could go back and forth about this topic with no reconciliation either way. People are going to believe and feel how they want...no Mustang forum board is going to change that. So here is MY suggestion:

In the post you linked there were some absolutely fantastic ideas. This board has 32,968 members. Lets say that we could assemble (through petition or in person) 10,000 of them. How many people do they know that feel the same as them but do post here? Gather those people through petition and make known to the White House what the ideas and desires are. If the ideas are that great then more people will follow. Petition the White House (or the legislature) with X amount of signatures with a well thought out plan and see action happen. This is OUR country and if we want change then take action. Instead of grumbling about (not saying you are Blown03) how this country is going to go to shit, do something. But that won't happen because none of the people who feel that Obama is going to wreck this country will do anything besides grumble.

Thanks for the post Blown03 and the link.

Side note in general: Who really gives a shit whether we call it a depression or a recession? The chart that DevilDog posted is real. Why get caught up in the terminology of the issues? Will we act any different if we call it something else? But let's wait since this is just a "mere inconvenience" to the people who had jobs in December but now can't feed their family. This has nothing to do with food stamps and welfare. If you (anyone on this board) is currently unemployed and receiving unemployment compensation Obama is trying to get you more benefits while he strives to create 4 million jobs.

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If you (anyone on this board) is currently unemployed and receiving unemployment compensation Obama is trying to get you more benefits while he strives to create 4 million jobs.
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Do you actually believe this? You actually believe this trillion dollar pork package is about creating jobs?

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Do you actually believe this? You actually believe this trillion dollar pork package is about creating jobs?

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What do you think it is about? I am curious. I simply mentioned creating jobs in regards to my reference to unemployment benefits being extended. And the "pork" you mention is less the fault of Obama than it is special interest groups, and lobbyists. Why do you think Obama is so fired up about getting a package on his desk? It is because the Republicans and Democrats can not come to an agreement about what the stimulus should contain. People across America are suffering and these fat cats can not come to an agreement. Now they will tell you that they are only watching out for YOUR interests when in fact this is age-old politicking at best.

So my question to you Stevo is this: What would you suggest about the stimulus? Would you kill it altogether? Or revamp it in some way that would be pleasing to both parties? And if so, what would you do differently to make it so that everyone is pleased...this being key. No package will please everyone, so should we sit around a bitch about it or do the best possible option we have? I agree with alot of 46Tbird's ideas but those are long term fixes...none of those will happen or can conceivably happen in the next year. I don't necssarily agree that throwing money at a situation is always the best option, but if we don't funnel money into the economy then what should we do. I am not vehemently for or against the stimulus so if given a good enough reason I might see it your way. I have yet to see a better short term idea than the stimulus package...which I am agreeance with you about "pork". Why the fuck should we include a polar bear exhibit or water park rides in the stimulus? We shouldn't. But the longer it takes the fat cats to come up with a plan they all agree on, the longer we will be in this situation.

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What do you think it is about? I am curious. I simply mentioned creating jobs in regards to my reference to unemployment benefits being extended. And the "pork" you mention is less the fault of Obama than it is special interest groups, and lobbyists. Why do you think Obama is so fired up about getting a package on his desk? It is because the Republicans and Democrats can not come to an agreement about what the stimulus should contain. People across America are suffering and these fat cats can not come to an agreement. Now they will tell you that they are only watching out for YOUR interests when in fact this is age-old politicking at best.

So my question to you Stevo is this: What would you suggest about the stimulus? Would you kill it altogether? Or revamp it in some way that would be pleasing to both parties? And if so, what would you do differently to make it so that everyone is pleased...this being key. No package will please everyone, so should we sit around a bitch about it or do the best possible option we have? I agree with alot of 46Tbird's ideas but those are long term fixes...none of those will happen or can conceivably happen in the next year. I don't necssarily agree that throwing money at a situation is always the best option, but if we don't funnel money into the economy then what should we do. I am not vehemently for or against the stimulus so if given a good enough reason I might see it your way. I have yet to see a better short term idea than the stimulus package...which I am agreeance with you about "pork". Why the fuck should we include a polar bear exhibit or water park rides in the stimulus? We shouldn't. But the longer it takes the fat cats to come up with a plan they all agree on, the longer we will be in this situation.
There is no "stimulus" in this spending bill, it is simply a spending bill giving liberals and lobbyists all the fat they have wanted for the last 8 years.

As far as your comments:
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Why should Republicans want to vote for it, they were not included AT ALL in the making of this spending bill. They were not given ANY input on the bill.

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Pull your head out of the sand, this is HIS bill, HIS interest groups and HIS lobbyists. It is HIS payment to all the groups that got him voted into office.

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I need to find the article, but have read that only 11 cents of every dollar will actually go to programs that MIGHT create jobs in the first THREE YEARS after it is passed. So, only 11% of this money (well, the original bill, it has to be less now that extra fat has been added) is for the urgent need of stimulating the economy by maybe creating (or keeping) jobs in the next three years.

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There is no bill that can be passed to stimulate our economy, it will have to find the bottom naturally, and then recover on it's own. Throwing money at it is only prolonging the inevitable, at the taxpayers (and their children's children) cost.

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I got 5 that he initially votes "Present" on it, just out of habit.

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I say let the market figure itself out. That's why we have a free market. Let those that are going to fail, fail without extending the death throes. Another company will take their place and things will kick back off. It's only when the government decides it knows who should and should not fail that depressions extend into years.
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There is no "stimulus" in this spending bill, it is simply a spending bill giving liberals and lobbyists all the fat they have wanted for the last 8 years.

As far as your comments: Why should Republicans want to vote for it, they were not included AT ALL in the making of this spending bill. They were not given ANY input on the bill.

Pull your head out of the sand, this is HIS bill, HIS interest groups and HIS lobbyists. It is HIS payment to all the groups that got him voted into office.

I need to find the article, but have read that only 11 cents of every dollar will actually go to programs that MIGHT create jobs in the first THREE YEARS after it is passed. So, only 11% of this money (well, the original bill, it has to be less now that extra fat has been added) is for the urgent need of stimulating the economy by maybe creating (or keeping) jobs in the next three years.

There is no bill that can be passed to stimulate our economy, it will have to find the bottom naturally, and then recover on it's own. Throwing money at it is only prolonging the inevitable, at the taxpayers (and their children's children) cost.

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I am going to simply post a NYT article I have been reading. It looks as if the Republicans DID have input although mostly in the form of tax-cuts. That has shown to be a proven winner in the past right? (rhetorical). I have read through the whole article and it seems that whatever you have been reading about the
$.11 of every dollar is not very accurate. I would like to read the article if you can find it. There are numerous items in the proposed package that will directly or indirectly create jobs. Building new schools (construction/teachers/janitors/administrators..etc etc)...electronic health records (IT, Computer manuf./etc etc)...there is more in there also...just too lazy to type.

Look...I am not saying that this plan is perfect. It's not and it will never be, but I believe that inaction is the wrong idea. I call it my opinion...you say I have my head in the sand. No matter what you or I think...this bill will get passed in one form or another. I hope it is effective.

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He is a liberal talk-show host who was given a front row seat for the messiah's press conference.

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The big difference I see is the denial involved in the depression on the horizon. Many, even those who know it is so, just won't admit what is to come. Spending continues in many cases.
Things will get much worse before any better.

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Maybe this will help explain why we do not need socialism,

: Socialism made simple

An economics professor at Texas Tech said he had never failed a
single student before but had, once, failed an entire class. That
class had insisted that socialism worked and that no one would be
poor and no one would be rich, a great equalizer. The professor
then said ok, we will have an experiment in this class on socialism.

All grades would be averaged and everyone would receive the
same grade so no one would fail and no one would receive an A.
After the first test the grades were averaged and everyone got a B.
The students who studied hard were upset and the students who
studied little were happy. But, as the second test rolled around,
the students who studied little had studied even less and the ones
who studied hard decided they wanted a free ride too; so they
studied little. The second test average was a D! No one was
happy. When the 3rd test rolled around the average was an F.

The scores never increased as bickering, blame, name calling all
resulted in hard feelings and no one would study for the benefit of
anyone else. All failed, to their great surprise, and the professor
told them that socialism would also ultimately fail because when
the reward is great, the effort to succeed is great; but when
government takes all the reward away; no one will try or want to
succeed.

Could not be any simpler than that...

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I think deep down even you nay sayers, perhaps especially you nay sayers know what is on the horizon. There is simply no avoiding it.
I'd venture to guess is why you scrapping up any and all ammo you can right now.
It's called fear of the unknown.

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I think deep down even you nay sayers, perhaps especially you nay sayers know what is on the horizon...It's called fear of the unknown.
Don't look now. We all know that fear of the unknown is on the horizon.


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