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im calling my state rep now.this is bullshit.

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I've seen it, and expected it. I just hope they are prepared for the response.

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I wish Tx would break away from america some days
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Is anyone surprised? The writing was on the wall that the dems are going to try and disarm America, this is just the first step.

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I've often wished the same.

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So how do you go about starting a revolution? How do you actually get people to jump? With innner city folks all you have to do is win a basketball game or the like. What does it take for the rest of us?
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So how do you go about starting a revolution? How do you actually get people to jump? With innner city folks all you have to do is win a basketball game or the like. What does it take for the rest of us?
A leader.

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What we obtain too cheap, we esteem too lightly. Heaven knows how to put a proper price upon its goods; and it would be strange indeed, if so celestial an article as Freedom should not be highly rated.

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As I was buying a collection of Thomas Paine writings at the bookstore tonight, I thought to myself, "I wonder if we'd be as (seemingly) fucked as we are now if everyone would take the time to read the writings of our founding fathers and the people who actually fought to build this country and make it great."





"It has been thought a considerable advance towards establishing the principles of Freedom, to say, that government is a compact between those who govern and those that are governed: but this cannot be true, because it is putting the effect before the cause; for as man must have existed before governments existed, there necessarily was a time when governments did not exist, and consequently there could originally exist no governors to form such a compact with. The fact therefore must be, that the individuals themselves, each in his own personal and sovereign right, entered into a compact with each other to produce a government: and this is the only mode in which governments have a right to arise, and the only principle on which they have a right to exist."

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"The supposed quietude of a good man allures the ruffian; while on the other hand, arms like laws, discourage and keep the invader and the plunderer in awe, and preserve order in the world as well as property. The same balance would be preserved were all the world destitute of arms, for all would be alike; but since some will not, others dare not lay them aside... Horrid mischief would ensue were one half the world deprived of the use of them."


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In short, no. I think the founding fathers are discounted and overlooked. The cute stories are told, but the stories of the hell they went through to be free are left on the shelf.

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In short, no. I think the founding fathers are discounted and overlooked. The cute stories are told, but the stories of the hell they went through to be free are left on the shelf.

More and more I keep thinking that one day there will be a whole new round of re-founding fathers' stories to be told.


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As I was buying a collection of Thomas Paine writings at the bookstore tonight, I thought to myself, "I wonder if we'd be as (seemingly) fucked as we are now if everyone would take the time to read the writings of our founding fathers and the people who actually fought to build this country and make it great."
I keep trying to get people to read Empiricist writing, but it's like I'm speaking Greek or something. My mother is the biggest proclaimer of personal freedom, but wants the government to solve every little problem. Yeesh!

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A leader.
Not so sure just a leader would do it. Nor am I sure that a revolution in the historical sense of the term would work. My thoughts are that it's too bad there was no provision written in to throw them all out by vote or some such, as that to me would be our only hope. Otherwise we all know that no leader would ever materialize capable of accomplishing a task that large...
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Not so sure just a leader would do it. Nor am I sure that a revolution in the historical sense of the term would work. My thoughts are that it's too bad there was no provision written in to throw them all out by vote or some such, as that to me would be our only hope. Otherwise we all know that no leader would ever materialize capable of accomplishing a task that large...
...and you're going to need a shit-load of folks willing to die for this country. I'm talking civies, not soldiers, and that's going to be the tough part.

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...and you're going to need a shit-load of folks willing to die for this country. I'm talking civies, not soldiers, and that's going to be the tough part.
It comes to more of will the military follow the government, or will they follow the people.

Lets face it, us civilians can buy all the class III weapons we want, maybe some of us even have some army tanks and air planes, but all it takes is a few fighter jets with missiles and that little battle would be over.

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Where I was going with this is (gotta work won't have long to see how it develops, or even if it does for that matter) that if we did seriously discuss how to start it rolling, we could become criminals per the homegrown terrorism act. Doesn't that give you a warm fuzzy feeling?

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The Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Act of 2007 (S.1959 / H.R.1955), with an estimated budget of $22 million over four years, would establish a national bipartisan commission to “[e]xamine and report upon the facts and causes of violent radicalization, homegrown terrorism, and ideologically based violence in the United States” through convening hearings and issuing reports and would establish a university-based “center of excellence” that would bring together academic specialists to recommend laws and other measures to combat homegrown terrorism and violent radicalization. The bill would also broadly define “violent radicalization,” “homegrown terrorism,” and “ideologically-based violence.” The intent and language of S.1959, its resulting commission, and its “center of excellence” will undoubtedly erode civil liberties. It poses a serious threat for the following reasons:

S.1959’s focus on ideology rather than criminal behavior threatens First Amendment-protected activity. Representative Jane Harman (D-CA), the author of the bill, said, “Our plan must be to intervene before a person crosses that line separating radical views from violent behavior.” It is precisely that line and that activity that the First Amendment protects, as the Supreme Court has made clear in the landmark decision in Brandenburg v. Ohio.
S. 1959 jeopardizes the Internet as a critical free speech zone. In a unanimous decision in Reno v. ACLU, the Supreme Court recognized the Internet as a free speech zone to be afforded no less First Amendment protection than books, newspapers, and magazines. This bill specifically targets the Internet for investigative scrutiny and, in doing so, will undermine the existing protections afforded to the Internet.

There's a lot more meat down there (check out number 6 where it talks about detention) but we don't want to aggravate the ADD too much...

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It comes to more of will the military follow the government, or will they follow the people.

Lets face it, us civilians can buy all the class III weapons we want, maybe some of us even have some army tanks and air planes, but all it takes is a few fighter jets with missiles and that little battle would be over.
Of course you're right. "Little battle" is probably even overstated. More like a "skirmish"? Then again, McVeigh did a shit-load of damage with a rented truck and some fertilizer, and we have thousands of guys with that knowledge walking around among us every day.

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I can tell you that being a part of the military I'm not happy at all with were this country is headed. If there was some sort of revolution and I had to make a choice, I don't really think that it wold be that difficult.

I swore to support and defend the "consitution" of the United States of America. If I have to side with the people to do that, then thats the choice I would make.

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I can tell you that being a part of the military I'm not happy at all with were this country is headed. If there was some sort of revolution and I had to make a choice, I don't really think that it wold be that difficult.

I swore to support and defend the "consitution" of the United States of America. If I have to side with the people to do that, then thats the choice I would make.
That makes me feel a little better.

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They will have a fight on their hands! Gun license haha fuck that its my right to own a weapon

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A leader.
So FX has been playing "V for Vendetta" a lot lately...


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