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WASHINGTON – President Barack Obama's first public act in office Wednesday was to institute new limits on lobbyists in his White House and to freeze the salaries of high-paid aides, in a nod to the country's economic turmoil.

Announcing the moves while attending a ceremony in the Eisenhower Executive Office Building to swear in his staff, Obama said the steps "represent a clean break from business as usual."

The pay freeze, first reported by The Associated Press, would hold salaries at their current levels for the roughly 100 White House employees who make over $100,000 a year. "Families are tightening their belts, and so should Washington," said the new president, taking office amid startlingly bad economic times that many fear will grow worse.

Those affected by the freeze include the high-profile jobs of White House chief of staff, national security adviser and press secretary. Other aides who work in relative anonymity also would fit into that cap if Obama follows a structure similar to the one George W. Bush set up.

Obama's new lobbying rules will not only ban aides from trying to influence the administration when they leave his staff. Those already hired will be banned from working on matters they have previously lobbied on, or to approach agencies that they once targeted.

The rules also ban lobbyists from giving gifts of any size to any member of his administration. It wasn't immediately clear whether the ban would include the traditional "previous relationships" clause, allowing gifts from friends or associates with which an employee comes in with strong ties.

The new rules also require that anyone who leaves his administration is not allowed to try to influence former friends and colleagues for at least two years. Obama is requiring all staff to attend to an ethics briefing like one he said he attended last week.

Obama called the rules tighter "than under any other administration in history." They followed pledges during his campaign to be strict about the influence of lobbyist in his White House.

"The new rules on lobbying alone, no matter how tough, are not enough to fix a broken system in Washington," he said. "That's why I'm also setting rules that govern not just lobbyists but all those who have been selected to serve in my administration."

In an attempt to deliver on pledges of a transparent government, Obama said he would change the way the federal government interprets the Freedom of Information Act. He said he was directing agencies that vet requests for information to err on the side of making information public — not to look for reasons to legally withhold it — an alteration to the traditional standard of evaluation.

Just because a government agency has the legal power to keep information private does not mean that it should, Obama said. Reporters and public-interest groups often make use of the law to explore how and why government decisions were made; they are often stymied as agencies claim legal exemptions to the law.

"For a long time now, there's been too much secrecy in this city," Obama said.

He said the orders he was issuing Wednesday will not "make government as honest and transparent as it needs to be" nor go as far as he would like.

"But these historic measures do mark the beginning of a new era of openness in our country," Obama said. "And I will, I hope, do something to make government trustworthy in the eyes of the American people, in the days and weeks, months and years to come."
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Nice move.

A lot of businesses are cutting staff and/or pay rates. Why can't government do the same? We're paying for it, after all!

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I heard that speech and liked what I heard. Now to see if it turns into the usual talking from both sides of the mouth.
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I think most people will be happy to hear this, good call

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"Families are tightening their belts, and so should Washington," said the new president, taking office amid startlingly bad economic times that many fear will grow worse.
Thus say the man who spent a record amount on his campaign and innogoration .......
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another interesting read.....

Hmmm written by Clinton's former right hand man.

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The Obama Presidency: Here Comes Socialism
Dick Morris and Eileen McGann
Wednesday, January 21, 2009

2009-2010 will rank with 1913-1914, 1933-1936, 1964-1965 and 1981-1982 as years that will permanently change our government, politics and lives.

Just as the stars were aligned for Wilson, Roosevelt, Johnson and Reagan, they are aligned for Barack Obama. Simply put, we enter his administration as free enterprise, market-dominated, laissez-faire America. We will shortly become like Germany, France, the United Kingdom or Sweden -- a socialist democracy in which the government dominates the economy, determines private sector priorities and offers a vastly expanded range of services to many more people at much higher taxes.

Obama will accomplish his agenda of "reform" under the rubric of "recovery." Using the electoral mandate bestowed on a Democratic Congress by restless voters and the economic power given his administration by terrified Americans, he will change our country fundamentally in the name of lifting the depression. His stimulus packages won't do much to shorten the downturn -- although they will make it less painful -- but they will do a great deal to change our nation.

In implementing his agenda, Obama will emulate the example of Franklin D. Roosevelt (not the liberal mythology of the New Deal, but the actuality of what it accomplished). When FDR took office, he was enormously successful in averting a total collapse of the banking system and the economy. But his New Deal measures only succeeded in lowering the unemployment rate from 23 percent in 1933 when he took office to 13 percent in the summer of 1937. It never went lower. And his policies of over-regulation generated such business uncertainty that they triggered a second-term recession. Unemployment rose to 17 percent in 1938 and, in 1940, on the verge of the war-driven recovery, stood at 15 percent. (These data and the real story of Hoover's and Roosevelt's missteps, uncolored by ideology, are available in "The Forgotten Man" by Amity Shlaes.)

But in the name of a largely unsuccessful effort to end the depression, Roosevelt passed crucial and permanent reforms that have dominated our lives ever since, including Social Security, the creation of the SEC, unionization under the Wagner Act, the federal minimum wage and a host of other fundamental changes.

Obama's record will be similar, although less wise and more destructive. He will begin by passing every program for which liberals have lusted for decades, from alternative energy sources to school renovations to infrastructure repairs to technology enhancements. These are all good programs, but they normally would be stretched out for years. Freed of any constraint on the deficit -- indeed empowered by a mandate to raise it as high as possible -- Obama will do them all rather quickly.

But it is not his spending that will transform our political system; it is his tax and welfare policies. In the name of short-term stimulus, he will give every American family (who makes less than $200,000) a welfare check of $1,000 euphemistically called a refundable tax credit. And he will so sharply cut taxes on the middle class and the poor that the number of Americans who pay no federal income tax will rise from the current one-third of all households to more than half. In the process, he will create a permanent electoral majority that does not pay taxes, but counts on ever expanding welfare checks from the government. The dependency on the dole, formerly limited in pre-Clinton days to 14 million women and children on AFDC, will now grow to a clear majority of the U.S. population.

Will he raise taxes? Why should he? With a congressional mandate to run the deficit up as high as need be, there is no reason to raise taxes now and risk aggravating the depression. Instead, Obama will follow the opposite of the Reagan strategy. Reagan cut taxes and increased the deficit so that liberals could not increase spending. Obama will raise spending and increase the deficit so that conservatives cannot cut taxes. And when the economy is restored, he will raise taxes with impunity since the only people who would have to pay them would be rich Republicans.

In the name of stabilizing the banking system, Obama will nationalize it. Using TARP funds to write generous checks to needy financial institutions, his administration will demand preferred stock in exchange. Preferred stock gets dividends before common stockholders do. With the massive debt these companies will owe to the government, they will only be able to afford dividends for preferred stockholders -- the government, not private investors. So who will buy common stock? And the government will demand that its bills be paid before any profits that might materialize are reinvested in the financial institution. So how will the value of the stocks ever grow? Devoid of private investors, these institutions will fall ever more under government control.

Obama will begin the process by limiting executive compensation. Then he will urge restructuring and lowering of home mortgages in danger of default (as the feds have already done with Citibank). Then will come guidance on which loans to make and government instructions on the types of enterprises to favor. God grant that some Blagojevich-type is not in charge of the program, using his power to line his pockets. The United States will find itself with an economic system comparable to Japan's, where the all-powerful bureaucracy at MITI (Ministry of International Trade and Industry) manages the economy, often making mistakes like giving mainframe computers priority over the development of laptops.

But it is the health care system that will experience the most dramatic and traumatic of changes. The current debate between a Medicare-like governmental single-payer plan and a channeling of coverage through private insurance misses the essential point. Without a lot more doctors, nurses, clinics, equipment and hospital beds, health resources will be strained to the breaking point. The people and equipment that currently serve 250 million Americans and largely neglect all but the emergency needs of the other 50 million will now have to serve everyone. And as government imposes ever more draconian price controls and income limits on doctors, the supply of practitioners and equipment will decline as the demand escalates. Price increases will be out of the question so the government will impose health care rationing, denying the older and sicker among us the care they need and even barring them from paying for it themselves. (Rationing based on income and price will be seen as immoral).

And Obama will move to change permanently the partisan balance in America. He will move quickly to legalize all those who have been in America for five years, albeit illegally, and to smooth their paths to citizenship and voting. He will weaken border controls in an attempt to hike the Latino vote as high as he can in order to make red states like Texas into blue states like California. By the time he is finished, Latinos and African-Americans will cast a combined 30 percent of the vote. If they go by top-heavy margins for the Democrats, as they did in 2008, it will assure Democratic domination -- until they move up the economic ladder and become good Republicans.

And he will enact the check-off card system for determining labor union representation, repealing the secret ballot in union elections. The result will be to raise the proportion of the labor force in unions up to the high teens from the current level of about 12 percent.

Finally, he will use the expansive powers of the Federal Communications Commission to impose "local" control and ownership of radio stations and to impose the "fairness doctrine" on talk radio. The effect will be to drive talk radio to the Internet, fundamentally change its economics and retard its growth for years hence.

But none of these changes will cure the depression. It will end when the private sector works through the high debt levels that triggered the collapse in the first place. And then, the large stimulus package deficits will likely lead to rapid inflation, probably necessitating a second recession to cure it.

So Obama's name will be mud by 2012 and probably by 2010, as well. And the Republican Party will make big gains and regain much of its lost power.

But it will be too late to reverse the socialism of much of the economy, the demographic change in the electorate, the rationing of health care by the government, the surge of unionization and the crippling of talk radio.
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post #7 of 19 (permalink) Old 01-21-2009, 04:11 PM Thread Starter
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Ok I don't like the man ( mainly for the reason he got elected), but seriously people, just give him a chance. Nothing else we can do.
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Ok I don't like the man ( mainly for the reason he got elected), but seriously people, just give him a chance. Nothing else we can do.
x2, just support him, and hope he makes the right moves.

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x2, just support him, and hope he makes the right moves.
Or realize/decipher what he has planned for the next four years, and try your best to prepare for it to reduce it's harmful effects on us.

I rather not just "wait and see" what happens, I have a family that I have to protect and support.

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Or realize/decipher what he has planned for the next four years, and try your best to prepare for it to reduce it's harmful effects on us.

I rather not just "wait and see" what happens, I have a family that I have to protect and support.

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Exactly, we can't wait for him to make a bad decision.

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Or realize/decipher what he has planned for the next four years, and try your best to prepare for it to reduce it's harmful effects on us.

I rather not just "wait and see" what happens, I have a family that I have to protect and support.

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And tell me what exactly you are doing to protect you and ur family for a bad move on his part? Any move the president makes normally takes months if not years to effect us. If we have a terrorist attack I doubt you are great enough to stop a car bomber or someone flying a jet into a building.

How does constant complaining and freaking out help you protect you and you family?
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And tell me what exactly you are doing to protect you and ur family for a bad move on his part? Any move the president makes normally takes months if not years to effect us. If we have a terrorist attack I doubt you are great enough to stop a car bomber or someone flying a jet into a building.

How does constant complaining and freaking out help you protect you and you family?
lol...come on they will be in the bunker with all the others that are convinced the sky is falling.

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And tell me what exactly you are doing to protect you and ur family for a bad move on his part? Any move the president makes normally takes months if not years to effect us. If we have a terrorist attack I doubt you are great enough to stop a car bomber or someone flying a jet into a building.

How does constant complaining and freaking out help you protect you and you family?
Anything, ANYTHING I do is more than most of the Obamanites are doing, by just setting around and trusting this man.

Maybe you need to read and see what Obama was all about before he started making speeches and wanting to be president.

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Anything, ANYTHING I do is more than most of the Obamanites are doing, by just setting around and trusting this man.

Maybe you need to read and see what Obama was all about before he started making speeches and wanting to be president.

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I have. I do not like the guy. I did not vote for the guy. I was pissed and worried when he got elected.

Tell me what you are doing to prepare and what you are preparing for.
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And he will enact the check-off card system for determining labor union representation, repealing the secret ballot in union elections. The result will be to raise the proportion of the labor force in unions up to the high teens from the current level of about 12 percent.

But none of these changes will cure the depression. It will end when the private sector works through the high debt levels that triggered the collapse in the first place. And then, the large stimulus package deficits will likely lead to rapid inflation, probably necessitating a second recession to cure it.
Does this indicate that union is the way to go once this shit takes hold?

Where will the smart moves be for the 'average Joe' in terms of how to best prepare for the days in which we evidently will have difficulty obtaining medical care?

Hypothetically, of course...
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I have. I do not like the guy. I did not vote for the guy. I was pissed and worried when he got elected.

Tell me what you are doing to prepare and what you are preparing for.
Not going to tell you much, as no matter what I say, you will have some stupid comment. I will say we are debt free, saving money/gold/silver, stockpiling non-perishables and materials, and have already purchased our firearms before your buddy Obama and his Democratically controlled Washington has a chance to impose new laws.

As far as what is going to happen, I again tell you to read up on Obama. Look at the laws he tried to pass in Illinois and Chicago. Look at his voting history in the Senate. He will soon be appointing at least one Supreme Court judges. Now he has Democratically controlled Washington in which to play. When he does try to impose these new laws (and he will, there are not enough non-Democrats in the House and Senate to stop him) all hell will break loose in America, and there will be foreign countries and entities that will take advantage of the chaos.

The idiot liberals can make jokes about the sky falling all they want. I'm not going to set on my hands, I'll do what I can to prepare.

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Not going to tell you much, as no matter what I say, you will have some stupid comment. I will say we are debt free, saving money/gold/silver, stockpiling non-perishables and materials, and have already purchased our firearms before your buddy Obama and his Democratically controlled Washington has a chance to impose new laws.

As far as what is going to happen, I again tell you to read up on Obama. Look at the laws he tried to pass in Illinois and Chicago. Look at his voting history in the Senate. He will soon be appointing at least one Supreme Court judges. Now he has Democratically controlled Washington in which to play. When he does try to impose these new laws (and he will, there are not enough non-Democrats in the House and Senate to stop him) all hell will break loose in America, and there will be foreign countries and entities that will take advantage of the chaos.

The idiot liberals can make jokes about the sky falling all they want. I'm not going to set on my hands, I'll do what I can to prepare.

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First off he is not my buddy.

2nd off I totally agree with what you are doing. In a way I am doing the same thing. We are doing everything we can to become debt free ASAP. We have a weapon in the house. But i did not go out and buy a lot of them because that would not help me become debt free.

I agree 100% with what you said and am more or less trying to do the same thing.

To be honest i figured you were not doing much but complaining about him on here ( which up until yesterday I complained a lot about him too).
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im with stevo on this one.readiness is everything.

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This asshole started lying before he was even elected. Don't fall for his bullshit.
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