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I've only recently started paying attention to politics and watch alot of the conversations around here. I don't have enough information to really add anything other then the feeling Obama brings around here, which is uncertainity.

I think there are people who just very Republican and didnt want Obama in office no matter what.


So, what is it about Obama you guys dont like? What plans does he have in store for us that has everyone so upset?

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I've only recently started paying attention to politics and watch alot of the conversations around here. I don't have enough information to really add anything other then the feeling Obama brings around here, which is uncertainity.

I think there are people who just very Republican and didnt want Obama in office no matter what.


So, what is it about Obama you guys dont like? What plans does he have in store for us that has everyone so upset?

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For me it is not Obama that i dislike... it is how American is treating him like a God.
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For me it is not Obama that i dislike... it is how American is treating him like a God.
You dont think it was inevitable in our media driven society for an event like this to be overhyped?

What if a woman had been elected? You dont think it would be the same way?

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You dont think it was inevitable in our media driven society for an event like this to be overhyped?

What if a woman had been elected? You dont think it would be the same way?
If she were White I do not think it would have been taken to this level.

Seriously, have you ever heard so many news stories about black highschoolers taking trips to the inauguration?
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I've only recently started paying attention to politics and watch alot of the conversations around here. I don't have enough information to really add anything other then the feeling Obama brings around here, which is uncertainity.

I think there are people who just very Republican and didnt want Obama in office no matter what.


So, what is it about Obama you guys dont like? What plans does he have in store for us that has everyone so upset?

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The list is way too long. There are countless threads about it.

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What don't I like? The list is long, I'll try to condense it:

1. Budget. He's going to spend like a drunken congress. National debt is about to take off like a 13 year old's cock does when they see tits.

2. The size of Government. He wants the Federal government to be more powerful and larger than ever. I think that the government should be as small and as efficient as necessary.

3. He's an economic idiot. There is no room for governmental control and intervention in my personal view of economic policy. GTFO.

4. Like mustangguy289 said, he's being treated like the fucking messiah. I'm all about giving the dude a fair chance to make some decisions, but fuck hailing him as Jesus Christ before he's done shit.

5. He didn't do shit as a Senator. Oh, unless you count the countless bullshit pieces of legislation he pushed/voted for. I'd pull together a list, but I'm too lazy.

This is all elementary and basic, but I'm a little too annoyed to put together a half decent argument right now.

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What don't I like? The list is long, I'll try to condense it:

1. Budget. He's going to spend like a drunken congress. National debt is about to take off like a 13 year old's cock does when they see tits.

2. The size of Government. He wants the Federal government to be more powerful and larger than ever. I think that the government should be as small and as efficient as necessary.

3. He's an economic idiot. There is no room for governmental control and intervention in my personal view of economic policy. GTFO.

4. Like mustangguy289 said, he's being treated like the fucking messiah. I'm all about giving the dude a fair chance to make some decisions, but fuck hailing him as Jesus Christ before he's done shit.

5. He didn't do shit as a Senator. Oh, unless you count the countless bullshit pieces of legislation he pushed/voted for. I'd pull together a list, but I'm too lazy.

This is all elementary and basic, but I'm a little too annoyed to put together a half decent argument right now.
LOL, it's all good. I'm just curious now because of the huge reaction to him. It seems like "Rome is burning" at the moment from some people's reaction to this.

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I feel a little more comfortable with him now. When he campaigned, it was from way...way left. Now that he has elected alot of ex-Clintons, and middle of the road people, I feel more comfortable.

The whole gun issue was/is a big one with me.
There are alot of unknowns with him. He never introduced a bill, yet wrote two books about himself. I find that odd. There are just alot of odd things about him. He never voted on much, so it really is hard to read him. With some of his appts., it makes me breath a little easier.

I'm not down with America thinking he is going to solve everything. People/media have really raised the bar for this guy....almost too high.
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I'm so confused. lol.

If he didnt do much as a Senator, what made him a good canidate for President? That's probably some of ya'lls point, but is there a Pro-Obama person here ro someone unbiased to explain it?

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He was annointed as president by the mainstream media. They virtually ignored all the scandals and his lack of experience leading anything.

All we can do is hope for the best. I really hope he does a great job.

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I'm so confused. lol.

If he didnt do much as a Senator, what made him a good canidate for President? That's probably some of ya'lls point, but is there a Pro-Obama person here ro someone unbiased to explain it?
he is black and America wanted "Change". There is the backbone of why many people voted for him.
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I feel a little more comfortable with him now. When he campaigned, it was from way...way left. Now that he has elected alot of ex-Clintons, and middle of the road people, I feel more comfortable.
I'm sure that was done on purpose for that exact effect. To make people out of his typical demographic feel abit more comfortable. They have people who get paid alot of money to think of these type of things.

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The whole gun issue was/is a big one with me.
There are alot of unknowns with him. He never introduced a bill, yet wrote two books about himself. I find that odd. There are just alot of odd things about him. He never voted on much, so it really is hard to read him. With some of his appts., it makes me breath a little easier.

I'm not down with America thinking he is going to solve everything. People/media have really raised the bar for this guy....almost too high.
That would explain the extreme reaction to him in the Armory forum. But if he didnt introduce any bills, what's the reaction from? Is the gun ban his idea or not?

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I'm so confused. lol.

If he didnt do much as a Senator, what made him a good canidate for President? That's probably some of ya'lls point, but is there a Pro-Obama person here ro someone unbiased to explain it?
Nothing! That's the thing, the guy has never done anything to speak of. Just a pretty face that handles a script with Oscar Winner-like chops.

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Liberals as a whole are anti-gun compared to conservatives. It wasn't made any better when he appt. Eric Holder, who has already talked of bans on guns. This same stuff happened with Clinton.

That is another good point. He ran on a liberal campaign and has already abandoned that thought for a more middle of the road attitiude....but he has to to get anything done. I don't guess you can blame him for that.
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Nothing! That's the thing, the guy has never done anything to speak of. Just a pretty face that handles a script with Oscar Winner-like chops.
Until today. Had a little trouble with the oath.

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Until today. Had a little trouble with the oath.
I noticed how the media played it off. But in fact he did waffle the oath. LMFAO

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Until today. Had a little trouble with the oath.
He has a problem with anything unscripted.

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Well, that is the point...nobody really knows what his plans are as he has no specifics. 'Give but no tax' doesn't work unless you failed 1st grade math. 'Protect but Negotiate' doesn't = national security.

The concern is the will say anything to get you to like him and can't prove anything he has said is true....including where he was born. It comes down to trust and if you trust a politician, you might as well drop your pants and hang a sign on it.



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So it's about what motivates them?
I will always feel that the Gov. should be watched and that we shouldn't give up our freedoms in exchange for Gov. protection. What motivates them? Well it could be alot of things. Some good intentions get lost along the way, some find themselves when given power and become great men.

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well I was looking at the inauguration pictures on Yahoo. and 90% of them are filled with black people crying and shit. I guess they are on welfare or unemployed or whatever.

My brother just called me and said he wish he was there with a truck load of "food" to sell - I'll let you imagine the types of food- so he could become a millionaire.

They wasted all of that money on security. The probability of one of those unemployed people even being able to afford a gun are slim and none.

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Wake up people... don't take the bait.

The last thread JDK was posting on in the political forum was about the Assault Weapons Ban and I think the general opinion there was he was just trying to rile everyone up. Now this thread...
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Wake up people... don't take the bait.

The last thread JDK was posting on in the political forum was about the Assault Weapons Ban and I think the general opinion there was he was just trying to rile everyone up. Now this thread...
Ugh...posting without facts. I havent said anything here to stir anyone up. Let it go. Just having a simple conversation, dont make more of it then what it is.

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Wake up people... don't take the bait.

The last thread JDK was posting on in the political forum was about the Assault Weapons Ban and I think the general opinion there was he was just trying to rile everyone up. Now this thread...
That's precisely why I declined to dig it all back up. The "search" option works quite well on this site...

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Wake up people... don't take the bait.

The last thread JDK was posting on in the political forum was about the Assault Weapons Ban and I think the general opinion there was he was just trying to rile everyone up. Now this thread...
I think most have figured it out. I hope so anyway.

The first clue was trying to say he hadn't paid attention to politics but wanted to know what was going on from a Mustang board and never searched a topic long talked about even here..

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American people in general are ignorant. I bet if u where to take a poll and for some divine reason every tells the truth, you will find out they voted for obama because of the media and their dislike of Bush.

Obama is lacking the skill and experience to hold the office he was just sworn into with out a proper cabinet to be the "puppet master" I feel for this country because he is capable of making very bad decisions. One of them being pulling all of our military out of the middle east. In doing that your just asking for another Sept. 11, 2001 again. God bless us all

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I think most have figured it out. I hope so anyway.
There is nothing to figure out. I've seen alot of complaining about Obama this and that, but nothing specific other then his proposed gun ban. Some of the talk is so extreme about him I wanted to know what everyone is so scared of him for. I didnt follow the election much and don't know much about him. I'd like to know what's in store for us in the future.

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I think most have figured it out. I hope so anyway.

The first clue was trying to say he hadn't paid attention to politics but wanted to know what was going on from a Mustang board and never searched a topic long talked about even here..

Eh, I usually avoid these forums because some people are so aggressive, too quick to start name calling rather simply talk their points of view to educate others. Like alot of people, this election stimulated interest in people who normally didnt have an interest in politics. With the extreme reaction to Obama, I'm even more curious now. But can't seem to get any specific answers, just complaints about him.

Is it really a race thing?

A party thing?

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There is nothing to figure out. I've seen alot of complaining about Obama this and that, but nothing specific other then his proposed gun ban. Some of the talk is so extreme about him I wanted to know what everyone is so scared of him for. I didnt follow the election much and don't know much about him. I'd like to know what's in store for us in the future.

Have you searched the political forum yet? Hell, in the first page of the political forum there are numberous threads that would give lots of info about what you are asking.

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Honestly, no I havent. I'll do just that.

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1. Budget. He's going to spend like a drunken congress. National debt is about to take off like a 13 year old's cock does when they see tits.

2. The size of Government. He wants the Federal government to be more powerful and larger than ever. I think that the government should be as small and as efficient as necessary.
# 1 During Bush's term the national debt doubled (and it's 50 year accumulation)

#2 During Bush's term the size of the Federal Goverment grew 40%

So Obama will have a tough time matching Bush's numbers.
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# 1 During Bush's term the national debt doubled (and it's 50 year accumulation)

#2 During Bush's term the size of the Federal Goverment grew 40%

So Obama will have a tough time matching Bush's numbers.
If he gets half of what he's "promised" this country, he will have no trouble what-so-ever surpassing Bushs' spending. His healthcare fiasco alone will take care of that.

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I'm so confused. lol.

If he didnt do much as a Senator, what made him a good canidate for President? That's probably some of ya'lls point, but is there a Pro-Obama person here ro someone unbiased to explain it?

Hes a great talker and is able to sell himself well. Alot of people bought into his bullshit. When you preach about hope and change people jump on the bandwagon.



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# 1 During Bush's term the national debt doubled (and it's 50 year accumulation)

#2 During Bush's term the size of the Federal Goverment grew 40%

So Obama will have a tough time matching Bush's numbers.
The deal is Obama may match it or better it without the 9/11 attack as part of his government expansion. How scary will that be?

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The deal is Obama may match it or better it without the 9/11 attack as part of his government expansion. How scary will that be?
Remember, I didn't back Obama....but time will tell about his spending habits.
The recession will push any plans for national healthcare out at least 4 years.
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Remember, I didn't back Obama....but time will tell about his spending habits.
The recession will push any plans for national healthcare out at least 4 years.
I have a question then, if it is such a good idea why wouldn't it be important enough to push through no matter what else is going on? I mean he promised every one free health care and it would have been impossible to do in a good economy so why has this changed it?

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I have a question then, if it is such a good idea why wouldn't it be important enough to push through no matter what else is going on? I mean he promised every one free health care and it would have been impossible to do in a good economy so why has this changed it?
That makes no sense, why would he do that? That's like going to a bar and yelling "drinks are on me!!" and telling the bartender you have no money when it's time to get the tab. Lame plan for sure.

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That makes no sense, why would he do that? That's like going to a bar and yelling "drinks are on me!!" and telling the bartendar you have no money when it's time to get the tab. Lame plan for sure.
I guess you would have to ask someone who supports him or thinks like him. I have no idea.

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That makes no sense, why would he do that? That's like going to a bar and yelling "drinks are on me!!" and telling the bartender you have no money when it's time to get the tab. Lame plan for sure.
It's like telling a girl you love her to get in her pants. Once you're there, it doesn't matter. The end justifies the means...

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I have a question then, if it is such a good idea why wouldn't it be important enough to push through no matter what else is going on? I mean he promised every one free health care and it would have been impossible to do in a good economy so why has this changed it?
I don't think goverment run national care is a good idea. The only way it could work is to make it like a public utility.... a regulated private company. But if the goverment gets ahold of it? Disaster, might take 10-20 years, but disaster.

Hell, look at the Medicare prescription drug billed pass a few years ago, I think it exposes the US to a $253 billion liability of the next 20 years.
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I don't think goverment run national care is a good idea. The only way it could work is to make it like a public utility.... a regulated private company. But if the goverment gets ahold of it? Disaster, might take 10-20 years, but disaster.

Hell, look at the Medicare prescription drug billed pass a few years ago, I think it exposes the US to a $253 billion liability of the next 20 years.
Better yet, look at the VA (i.e. Walter Reed).

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Good Lord.... whats to like?

A. Ran campaign on far left liberal promises that he's now backing off off.

B. Has no track record whatsoever. He voted "present" about 120 times in the senate.

C. Has espoused plans for typical liberal bullshit like gun control and global warming cap and trade systems.

D. Apparently loves big government and has plans for more.

E. Wants to cancel the bush tax cuts on the "rich".

F. President makes judicial appointments for the supreme court. We may be stuck with these people for a long time.

G. Judging by his swinging from far left to more moderate he's a flip flopper.

H. Has espoused dangerous plans to pull the US military out of the middle east before the job is done.

I. Wants to close gitmo. Where the hell are the dangerous prisoners going to go?

J. Has doubtful associations.

K. Has been uncomfortably near some near illegal situations.

L. Wife is only recently proud of the US.

M. Both of them talk about their poor upbringing when they are both quite wealthy, and hold positions of power.

N. Reverand jerimah wright.

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