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So when will Israel retaliate?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081225/...l_palestinians

Seems as though they are just about ready to go kick some ass.

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hopefully soon. someone has to have a set. because judging by popular opinion in america now, all we want are warm and fuzzies.
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I'm afraid with Barry in office, Israel is on her own...The problem is that Isael is like a Pandora's Box: once she starts up, it may be tough to shut her down. The Jews really don't fuck around, especially with the likes of Netten-Yahoo looking to get back in power.

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I'm afraid with Barry in office, Israel is on her own...The problem is that Isael is like a Pandora's Box: once she starts up, it may be tough to shut her down. The Jews really don't fuck around, especially with the likes of Netten-Yahoo looking to get back in power.

i seriously doubt that, even with barry in office, Israel is our best ally in the middle east. its gonna take more than barry, pelosi, and reed to stop the US from defending IZZY when the shit finally hits the fan.
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Maybe they will ring in the new year with some fire works of their own ............
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Maybe they will ring in the new year with some fire works of their own ............

hope so. the israeli air force hasnt had any good fun in years
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if Netanyahu gets back into office, I guarantee Israel will start shit with just about EVERY one of it's neighbors. I watched an interview with him about 6 months ago and he all but said if the US doesn't stop Iran from getting atomic bombs, Israel will step up to the plate and make sure it doesn't happen. These "stone throwers" in Gaza might just end up as a practice run...

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I'm afraid with Barry in office, Israel is on her own...The problem is that Isael is like a Pandora's Box: once she starts up, it may be tough to shut her down. The Jews really don't fuck around, especially with the likes of Netten-Yahoo looking to get back in power.
Exactly, the US has enforced an un-natural and tense standoff in the Middle East for decades. Sooner or later, we have to turn our backs for a moment & let the IDF obliterate the other Arab nations.

And they could do it without resorting to nuclear weapons. It would have been better if we had done this 30 years ago, but now will work as well. Oil would spike at $300-$400 a barrel for awhile. But after the smoke clears, Israel will be glad to sell to the world for $70 a barrel. Iraq, Iran, Jordan and Syria would be tightly controlled colonies of Israel. Saudi Arabia & Egypt might be persuaded to be allies, but if needed... the IDF could take them out too.
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Thats not going to happen .......... Russia and China will not stand by and let them have a free for all .
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Thats not going to happen .......... Russia and China will not stand by and let them have a free for all .

thats why the US will have to step in.
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Thats not going to happen .......... Russia and China will not stand by and let them have a free for all .
That's a good counterpoint. But Russia & China might prefer to deal with a stable & tightly controlled central authority, instead of a hodge-podge of unstable and volatile kings, sheiks & ayatollahs.

The Soviet Union didn't do anything in 1967 when Israel took half the middle east(Six Day war). And in '67 the Soviets damn sure had the military capability to do something had they desired.
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Todays Russia is looking to regain their super power status and will look for a piece of the middle eastern pie as soon as the U.S. pulls out of the region .

China is 100 times the country they were in the 60's and with out a doubt will want to ensure that the oil is in the right hands .

I don't think either are huge fans of the Jews .
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That's a good counterpoint. But Russia & China might prefer to deal with a stable & tightly controlled central authority, instead of a hodge-podge of unstable and volatile kings, sheiks & ayatollahs.

The Soviet Union didn't do anything in 1967 when Israel took half the middle east(Six Day war). And in '67 the Soviets damn sure had the military capability to do something had they desired.
I tend to agree with this. Stability is a lot more attractive to the powers that be. After all, China is heavily invested in us, right? It's almost like the "any port in a storm" philosophy.

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Todays Russia is looking to regain their super power status .
I think that might be a good thing, for 40 years during the cold war we had stability, 2 superpowers in opposition & everyone else fell in one of the 2 camps. We had balance. We kept out allies in check & Soviets kept thiers in check.

When the Soviet Union fell, everything became unbalanced, Europe more or less reverted to it's pre WWI status after all kinds of civil wars & ethnic cleansing. We've had coups, wars, strife & all kinds of folks got thier hands on Soviet nukes while they were down & out. And with only one superpower there is no balance.

If the Russians could peacefully regain thier superpower status, we could have balance again.

I know that's a stretch.
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I think China has a much better chance of becoming the worlds next super power .
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I think China has a much better chance of becoming the worlds next super power .
I agree, but I forsee Russia and even India as powers as well.
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I agree, but I forsee Russia and even India as powers as well.
Agreed. India will surpass China in population in less than 10 years. Thier far ahead of China in technology & don't rely on low tech sweat shop factories to power thier economy. China will fall by the wayside.
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Agreed. India will surpass China in population in less than 10 years. Thier far ahead of China in technology & don't rely on low tech sweat shop factories to power thier economy. China will fall by the wayside.
Exactly. China is building up some mad money from their production of rinky-dink shit that go to places like Wal-Mart. India is advancing in their technology all while staying under the radar. They're not trying to prematurely flex a muscle or make empty threats. I don't fear them, as they will probavly be pretty responsible with their worls status (minus their Paki inihilation).
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I think that might be a good thing, for 40 years during the cold war we had stability, 2 superpowers in opposition & everyone else fell in one of the 2 camps. We had balance. We kept out allies in check & Soviets kept thiers in check.

When the Soviet Union fell, everything became unbalanced, Europe more or less reverted to it's pre WWI status after all kinds of civil wars & ethnic cleansing. We've had coups, wars, strife & all kinds of folks got thier hands on Soviet nukes while they were down & out. And with only one superpower there is no balance.

If the Russians could peacefully regain thier superpower status, we could have balance again.

I know that's a stretch.
We dropped the ball by not enforcing our super power status. We should have let everyone know we were the biggest and the best and been willing to display it at a moments notice.

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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081226/...pe/us_pakistan

Looks like the Indians and Pakistani's are having their own little confrontation. Pakistans troops are moving towards Indias border. What a mess over there and we think we've got it bad!

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Looks like the Indians and Pakistani's are having their own little confrontation. Pakistans troops are moving towards Indias border. What a mess over there and we think we've got it bad!
India and Pakistan have been fighting on & off for 50 years. Both have formidable militaries & both have nuclear weapons.
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India and Pakistan have been fighting on & off for 50 years. Both have formidable militaries & both have nuclear weapons.
Hopefully nothing comes of this but they are calling for Pakistan leaders to take care of the people responsible for those recent attacks and it looks as though they are not. Of course this may be propaganda and there may be no troop movement to indian borders. Time will tell

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Hopefully nothing comes of this but they are calling for Pakistan leaders to take care of the people responsible for those recent attacks and it looks as though they are not. Of course this may be propaganda and there may be no troop movement to indian borders. Time will tell
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We dropped the ball by not enforcing our super power status. We should have let everyone know we were the biggest and the best and been willing to display it at a moments notice.
I hate how you say that correctly, in the past tense.

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Maybe if pakistan and india get into it, we will see IT projects coming back to the US, and less of the india help desks/call centers.
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When will Obama call for a global hug?
When he does, it will be more than a hug, and there won't be any "reach-around's" from that group.

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When will Obama call for a global hug?

I hope so ........ we need that and to buy every one a Coke .
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Maybe if pakistan and india get into it, we will see IT projects coming back to the US, and less of the india help desks/call centers.
haha i agree i called Xm the other day and was talking to some foreign guy. Its sad all these americans are out of work and here i am talking to an indian or some shit....

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I hope so ........ we need that and to buy every one a Coke .
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The Palastinians are among the stupidest population on the planet today....live like pigs and spend what little pittance they have on mediocre weapons.
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I hope so ........ we need that and to buy every one a Coke .
"I'd like to teach the world to sing in perfect harmony" That damn thing came out 6 years before I was born!

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I hate how you say that correctly, in the past tense.
It was unintentionally on purpose

I sincerely hope that a crash of the US would be large enough to choke the rest of the world and allow us to get to our feet fastest.

I still feel that we are on top and will weather this storm, but some of the paper tigers are picking up steam and looking to knock us off.

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It’s not Zionism to favor democracy over shitocracy. Islam, by the fundamentalist definition, is an intolerant theocracy. This intolerance makes war unavoidable. And this intolerance will continue as long as the Islamic masses remain ignorant and cowardly pawns to bigoted clerics and petty dictators.

And while it is not Zionist to accept the existence of Israel – it is patently anti-Semitic to question the validity of the Jewish state. ANY movement that does not recognize Israel is grounded in irrational hate – and doomed to failure.

Peace in the Middle East will come, and only come, when the Muslim people extricate themselves from the shackles of a religion mired in the Dark Ages. The success of the West was a result of the interplay between church and state. Islamic theocracy, by comparison, is a stagnant cesspool that breeds nothing but contempt – a contempt that must be directed outward to avoid implosion. Because of this, ‘modern’ Islamic society has become a cultural, political and intellectual backwater.
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I guess we know now...

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081227/...l_palestinians

Two waves of air strikes kill an estimated 120 people. One of them, a "Maj. General," chief of the Hamas police force.
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081227/...l_palestinians

Two waves of air strikes kill an estimated 120 people. One of them, a "Maj. General," chief of the Hamas police force.
this has the possibility to get really bad and out of hand.
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this has the possibility to get really bad and out of hand.
I just want to spend some time at home before I have to go.
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It’s not Zionism to favor democracy over shitocracy. Islam, by the fundamentalist definition, is an intolerant theocracy. This intolerance makes war unavoidable. And this intolerance will continue as long as the Islamic masses remain ignorant and cowardly pawns to bigoted clerics and petty dictators.

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Well they had to do something! Oil and Gold will be up monday this will have an affect for sure.

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Well they had to do something! Oil and Gold will be up monday this will have an affect for sure.
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Well they had to do something! Oil and Gold will be up monday this will have an affect for sure.

Maybe a little, but not much. However, if this Pakistan/India thing pops off......that's a whole different story.

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i would trade missile for missile . why in the hell the world thinks it's ok for those morons to fire daily barrages of missiles but Israel is not suppose to do anything. if a missile came across the rio grande today there would be no mexico tomorrow .

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i would trade missile for missile . why in the hell the world thinks it's ok for those morons to fire daily barrages of missiles but Israel is not suppose to do anything. if a missile came across the rio grande today there would be no mexico tomorrow .
Not trying to be Chicken Little or anything, but Mexico's "border-war" BS has had me worried for a while. All it takes is a radical drug lord with explosives to do some real damage.

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Not trying to be Chicken Little or anything, but Mexico's "border-war" BS has had me worried for a while. All it takes is a radical drug lord with explosives to do some real damage.

then well throw the cops that shoot the bastard in jail.... its the american way.
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then well throw the cops that shoot the bastard in jail.... its the american way.
That's a lot of what scares me about it.

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