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good article on Obamas birth problems

Obama’s “Natural Born” Problem

http://mensnewsdaily.com/2008/12/12/...80%9D-problem/

The questions of his birth certificate and constitutional eligibility for President of the United States have been ongoing for months. Unlike the convoluted conspiracies and “innovative” conjectures that have been leveled against various presidents including Bill Clinton and the current holder of the office, this particular allegation of constitutional ineligibility would be extremely easy to refute and the entire mess could be over in just a matter of minutes. The logical conclusion is that there has to be some sort of reason that this document (if it exists) has not been released. There is obviously something to hide here and I am not alone in my interest in what that may be.

Months ago the Obama campaign, in an attempt to “answer” this question, posted a copy of what was said to Obama’s “Certification of Live Birth” on the official Obama website. The Main Stream Media and the Progressive blogosphere quickly and proudly pointed to it and proclaimed the case closed. Unfortunately, the posting of that document actually raised as many or more questions than it had supposedly answered. The computer-generated “Certification of Live Birth” is used by the state of Hawaii in lieu of the “Certificate of Live Birth,” or if originally filed, a “Delayed Certificate of Birth,” or even a “Certificate of Hawaiian Birth.” For verification purposes, however, the “Certification of Live Birth” does not indicate which birth record “root document(s)” that the Certification is based upon.

Hawaii Revised Statute 338-178 allows registration of birth in Hawaii for a child that was born outside of Hawaii to parents who, for a year preceding the child’s birth, claimed Hawaii as their place of residence. Obama’s certification of live birth doesn’t list a hospital, attending physician, or any witnesses of the birth that could be tracked down and investigated. The posted document is essentially worthless as any sort of proof that Obama was born in the United States and simply put does not prove natural-born status. Yet that document is the only evidence that Barack Obama has so far produced that he is in fact eligible to be the President of the United States.

Kenyan ambassador admitts Obama born in Kenya: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zH4GX3Otf14.

soon to be Secretary of Commerce and current New Mexico governor Bill Richardson is on record as stating that Obama is “an immigrant”. at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5OUd...layer_embedded.

Obama’s own paternal grandmother has said on multiple occasions that she was there when Barack was born in Kenya. Obama’s Kenyan half brother and half sister have also stated that Obama was born in Kenya.
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Justices to mull Obama citizenship again - 12/12/08

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Wednesday, December 10, 2008


On the same day the Supreme Court declined to hear one appeal challenging Barack Obama's right to become president because of questions about his citizenship, Justice Antonin Scalia distributed another appeal on the same issue for the court to consider.

The new case, Cort Wrotnowski v. Susan Bysiewicz, Connecticut Secretary of State, is scheduled to be discussed by the justices at their Dec. 12 private conference. They plan to decide whether to give the case a hearing - again on whether the British citizenship of Mr. Obama's father makes the president-elect ineligible to assume the office.

Eleanor Holmes Norton, the District's nonvoting Democratic delegate to Congress, speculated that the Supreme Court is considering appeals that challenge Mr. Obama's citizenship only long enough to reject them "and lay to rest manufactured doubts about the legitimacy of Obama's election before the inauguration."

The Supreme Court on Monday turned down the previous appeal filed by New Jersey attorney Leo C. Donofrio.

Unlike Mr. Donofrio's appeal, Mr. Wrotnowski's case "includes a more solid brief and a less treacherous lower court procedural history," Mr. Donofrio wrote on his Internet blog, naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com.

He said the New Jersey appellate judge who handled his case incorrectly described his original complaint as a "motion for leave to appeal." Instead, he should have called it a "direct appeal."

Mr. Donofrio helped Mr. Wrotnowski prepare his Supreme Court appeal.

"Cort's application before [the Supreme Court] incorporates all of the arguments and law in mine, but we improved on the arguments in Cort's quite a bit as we had more time to prepare it," Mr. Donofrio said on his blog.



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IF the SCOTUS does decide to hear the case, things are going to get REALLY interesting. I've always thought Donofrio's case was rather weak but this one is more sound...

President Joe Biden anyone?

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IF the SCOTUS does decide to hear the case, things are going to get REALLY interesting. I've always thought Donofrio's case was rather weak but this one is more sound...

President Joe Biden anyone?
...and VP Pelosi...

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...and VP Pelosi...
Not necessarily. Biden could pick who ever he wants as VP.
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Not necessarily. Biden could pick who ever he wants as VP.
So it does not go down the chain as it typically would? Why not?

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i believe none of this is going to change anything. Its just a waste of time.

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So it does not go down the chain as it typically would? Why not?

The Speaker of the House falls in succession if the President and VP are BOTH unable to serve..

If the President is unable to serve, the VP becomes President. Then the President selects a VP, who is approved by both houses of Congress.

How would you like this for a conundrum. Say Obama and Biden are sworn in. Then a terror attack takes Obama, Biden, Pelosi, and even Robert Bryd out.

So who becomes the President? Condi Rice is no longer Sec of State. Hillary, and no other cabinet member has been officially nominated, let alone confirmed. Lets say the attack happens immediately after the swearing in and Obama never even had a chance to simply install Hillary pending confirmation.

So who becomes President?

What if the President, VP, Speaker of the House, Senate President Pro Tempore, and the entire cabinet are killed. There is no succession beyond that. In this day and age, it is very possible that all those people could be killed in an attack....

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The Speaker of the House falls in succession if the President and VP are BOTH unable to serve..

If the President is unable to serve, the VP becomes President. Then the President selects a VP, who is approved by both houses of Congress.

How would you like this for a conundrum. Say Obama and Biden are sworn in. Then a terror attack takes Obama, Biden, Pelosi, and even Robert Bryd out.

So who becomes the President? Condi Rice is no longer Sec of State. Hillary, and no other cabinet member has been officially nominated, let alone confirmed. Lets say the attack happens immediately after the swearing in and Obama never even had a chance to simply install Hillary pending confirmation.

So who becomes President?

What if the President, VP, Speaker of the House, Senate President Pro Tempore, and the entire cabinet are killed. There is no succession beyond that. In this day and age, it is very possible that all those people could be killed in an attack....

Just a curious conversation to have..
Some could be overlooked because of not being a "natural-born" citizen.

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Some could be overlooked because of not being a "natural-born" citizen.
Absolutely, right now the Sec of Commerce and Sec of Labor are disqualified from being President because they are naturalized citizens.

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i believe none of this is going to change anything. Its just a waste of time.
X2 we can bitch all we want but hes gonna be president. Let him have it the place is a total disaster anyway he cant fuck it up any worse. Alteast i hope not

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I just don't think that there is an appetite in DC to pursue this issue. It will die.
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