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Can we "war" our way out of this economy???

Is it possible to raid and pillage our way out of this crap?

Have I gone completely morally bankrupt?

Seriously, can we just take over somewhere with some commodity than can turn America back into the land of milk&honey again?

I mean what the fuck are we doing in Iraq? Can we not get American energy companies over there operating their oil fields 100%? I know oil is cheap right now, but by the time we could get something going the price will be up again and it would be great if we could circumnavigate OPEC and tell them to get fucked. Get some American companies to supply Iraqi oil to America and the rest of the world. In turn use some of the money to build schools, hospitals, and roads in Iraq so those people don't COMPLETELY hate us, maybe just some partial hate. If they don't like it, Saddam their asses until they quit complaining.

I mean if the rest of the world is going to complain about our tyranny we should fucking profit from it.

What about invading some African shit hole nation and taking their diamonds? DeBeers can suck my dick.

Any of you smart fucks want to refine this into a kinder gently idea the moronic majority of this nation can get behind?

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Just having Mr No Bid cheney give back all loot he made on the war would be a nice start.
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Not off to a good start...
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Paying for the military to pillage isn't going to be cheap. They had better be stealing gold bricks.

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LOL if American companies owned all of the oil over there they would be begging for a bailout right now
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Just having Mr No Bid cheney give back all loot he made on the war would be a nice start.

Do you have facts to back up your weak point?

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Economic strength doesn't really come from the pillaging in modern times, it comes from the production of equipment.
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Economic strength doesn't really come from the pillaging in modern times, it comes from the production of equipment.

When I read that, China popped into my mind.
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When I read that, China popped into my mind.
Okay, maybe a more accurate statement would be production of quality equipment lol
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Economic strength doesn't really come from the pillaging in modern times, it comes from the production of equipment.
For good measure we should go around the world gathering the diamonds, gold, oil, and take over India and China while we're at it.

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Okay, maybe a more accurate statement would be production of quality equipment lol
Do you really think the few things made in the USA are any better? Not by much. And if it was really wartime against China we'd be in some serious deep shit.
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Can we "war" our way out of this economy???

No… it’s a popular misconception that the Great Depression was ended by some combination of FDR’s New Deal and the advent of World War II. While Roosevelt’s high deficit spending helped spur some economic growth it didn’t effectively address the underlying causes. Average unemployment throughout the ‘New Deal’ was 17.2%. The War merely put the Depression on hold – real prosperity returned in the postwar years.

The end of World War II found Europe, Japan, the Soviet Union and China decimated. (Russia alone had 6 million military deaths, 10 million civilian deaths and 25 million homeless.) By comparison, America was virtually untouched – its industrial might and attending infrastructure was entirely intact and mobilized. America emerged as the preeminent military AND economic power of the immediate postwar years.

What were the results of this industrial disparity: In 1955 the U.S. comprised roughly 6% of the world’s population but produced nearly half of the world’s goods. From 1949 to 1959 median family income, corrected for inflation, rose by 48%. Inflation averaged 1.6% from 1948 to 1963.

This era of the ‘affluent society’ was indeed a golden age for America. Unfortunately we squandered that advantage. By the 1970’s, when the rest of the world had rebuilt and was ready to compete with us, what had we done to prepare? We allowed unions and government to destroy our industrial base. We allowed the proliferation of the welfare state which sapped our work ethic, replaced responsibility with a sense of entitlement and replaced traditional values with the amoral vacuum of secularism. We became increasingly dependent on foreign oil which left our economy susceptible to outside manipulation.

Obama takes the stage at an opportune time. Like FDR and Johnson before him, the coming president is presented with a political and economic climate that is ripe for yet another expansion of federal authority. But more of the bad tonic Socialism isn’t going to cure this patient. The good ol’ days aren’t ever coming back. The election of Obama and trillion dollar budget deficits are just more evidence of America’s decline.
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Just having Mr No Bid cheney give back all loot he made on the war would be a nice start.
He wasn't the CEO when he was the VP, he didn't help them at all, and Halliburton is the *only* contractor for many of the contracts they take - they make chump change on it. Get your facts straight.
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Just having Mr No Bid cheney give back all loot he made on the war would be a nice start.
Sometimes, when I feel less than smart, I get on DFWStangs and find posts like these to reassure myself that I'm far above average.
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Do you really think the few things made in the USA are any better? Not by much. And if it was really wartime against China we'd be in some serious deep shit.
I fucking do. Have you purchased any Chinese made shit from wal-mart lately? I buy grocery items at Costco and Wal-Mart. While I'm at wal-mart I will occasionally pick up some random item I need that isn't a food product.

It's almost comical how much of this stuff breaks before even using it. There have been probably three times over the last year where I've purchased a small group of items (excluding food of course) from Wal-Mart and something has broken every time.

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Can we "war" our way out of this economy???

No… it’s a popular misconception that the Great Depression was ended by some combination of FDR’s New Deal and the advent of World War II. While Roosevelt’s high deficit spending helped spur some economic growth it didn’t effectively address the underlying causes. Average unemployment throughout the ‘New Deal’ was 17.2%. The War merely put the Depression on hold – real prosperity returned in the postwar years.

The end of World War II found Europe, Japan, the Soviet Union and China decimated. (Russia alone had 6 million military deaths, 10 million civilian deaths and 25 million homeless.) By comparison, America was virtually untouched – its industrial might and attending infrastructure was entirely intact and mobilized. America emerged as the preeminent military AND economic power of the immediate postwar years.

What were the results of this industrial disparity: In 1955 the U.S. comprised roughly 6% of the world’s population but produced nearly half of the world’s goods. From 1949 to 1959 median family income, corrected for inflation, rose by 48%. Inflation averaged 1.6% from 1948 to 1963.

This era of the ‘affluent society’ was indeed a golden age for America. Unfortunately we squandered that advantage. By the 1970’s, when the rest of the world had rebuilt and was ready to compete with us, what had we done to prepare? We allowed unions and government to destroy our industrial base. We allowed the proliferation of the welfare state which sapped our work ethic, replaced responsibility with a sense of entitlement and replaced traditional values with the amoral vacuum of secularism. We became increasingly dependent on foreign oil which left our economy susceptible to outside manipulation.

Obama takes the stage at an opportune time. Like FDR and Johnson before him, the coming president is presented with a political and economic climate that is ripe for yet another expansion of federal authority. But more of the bad tonic Socialism isn’t going to cure this patient. The good ol’ days aren’t ever coming back. The election of Obama and trillion dollar budget deficits are just more evidence of America’s decline.
What the fuck does this copy/paste have to do with PILLAGING foreign dick heads?

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Oh fuck… I’m sorry bro. I thought the thread title was the serious part and all that shit about stealing oil and diamonds was hyperbolic drivel. You were being serious!

I retract my original post (not a ‘cut and paste’ by the way) and replace it with the following response – my level of discourse suitably adjusted for the depth of thought you’ve displayed.

Yeahhhh… hell yeah pew pew pew - BOOM BOOM BOOM them darkies and camel fuckers and steal de shit 1!1!1!1!1!1!1!1onnnnesssesee!!!!!!!!
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We need to get back to our roots. We founded this country and expanded it under Manifest Destiny. At some point someone decided that we are good guys and should look out for everyone else. Screw that.

Do the right thing, expand our influence, take over other countries without saying "Oooops. Our bad." No, say we're the biggest and baddest country out there. We'll be coming to your house soon. Afterall, if we truly believe we have the answer to all the world's problems, then the only solution is to conquer every other country. Starting with CAnada and Mexico.
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You'd be out of your mind to believe that it is just coincidence that Cheney was the head honcho for Halliburton before becoming the VP, then when we invade, Halliburton gets a good chunk of the contracts.

Was he the CEO then? No.

Did he push for it? Almost certainly.

Why? Monetary gain is the only reason any politician would, which I cannot prove. But, he's already received hundreds of thousands in "deferred compensation," from Halliburton. It will be interesting to see what he receives in "deferred compensation," after 01/20/2009.

I think that is a shitload more probable than your Armageddon or Amero theories.

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No, we can't "war" our way out of this. WWII was the only time it really work for the USA. That worked because it activated our industrial base. If you've read much about WWII, the amount of war production was absolutely staggering, hell we manufactured over 100,000 military aircraft alone! In 4 years!

But modern weapons as so effective, and expensive, you'll NEVER see WWII style manufacturing again. A modern F-15 can carry the destructive power of 20 WWII B-17 bombers, and thats with conventional munitions. And it took 200 men to crew those 20 B-17's!
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what other company can bid to do the job that halliburton does ?? kinda like who can put out well fires .

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what other company can bid to do the job that halliburton does ?? kinda like who can put out well fires .
For the construction projects probably Fluor.
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No, we can't "war" our way out of this. WWII was the only time it really work for the USA. That worked because it activated our industrial base. If you've read much about WWII, the amount of war production was absolutely staggering, hell we manufactured over 100,000 military aircraft alone! In 4 years!

But modern weapons as so effective, and expensive, you'll NEVER see WWII style manufacturing again. A modern F-15 can carry the destructive power of 20 WWII B-17 bombers, and thats with conventional munitions. And it took 200 men to crew those 20 B-17's!

I hear what you are saying, but i wouldnt say NEVER. I bet in a time of serious (and i mean serious) protracted war you will will see civilian businesses activated into a war effort. The plans are still in place, and i bet there are quite a lot of cold-war era redundancies still around, lying dormant.


Hell, the ruskies still have giant GIANT strategic oil reserves in underground tanks and manufacturing assemblies ready to be used.

What's helped is the huge strategic stockpile we have now and all the mothballed tanks,planes, and ships to bring back online again.
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Just having Mr No Bid cheney give back all loot he made on the war would be a nice start.
I also wonder if the terrorists will give back our oil fields the Dem. Jimmy Carter gave them back in the day...

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