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"Is Bush the Worst President in the Last 50 Years?"

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NPR.org, December 4, 2008 · When a group of pundits gathered for a recent Oxford-style debate, the proposition alone was provocative: "Bush 43 Is the Worst President of the Past 50 Years." But when you consider that one of the panelists defending President Bush's legacy was his longtime adviser Karl Rove, the night became even more interesting.

For instance, Rove said that President Bush probably would not have gone to war in Iraq if he had known the truth about Saddam Hussein's military capacity. "Absent weapons of mass destruction," Rove said, "I don't think there would have been an invasion."

And when Rove was asked why Osama bin Laden remains at large, Rove replied, "Because he is hiding in a deep, dark cave in a very dark corner of, in all likelihood, Pakistan. And to suggest that not every effort has been made to get him is inaccurate. Every effort has been made to get him, to get at his communications, to get at his allies, to get at his subordinates, to get at his inner circle."

Rove added, "A lot of them are dead … and we aren't hearing much from him."

The event — which was part of the ongoing Intelligence Squared U.S. series that pits experts on either side of an issue against each other in debates — was held at Symphony Space in New York City and sponsored by the Rosenkranz Foundation. The debate series is modeled after a program begun in London in 2002.

Before and after each debate, the audience is asked to vote on the motion. At the start of the evening, 65 percent of the audience was in favor of the proposition that George W. Bush is the worst American president of the past 50 years; 17 percent were against the motion; and 18 percent were undecided. By the end of the debate, 68 percent were for the motion; 27 percent were against it; and 5 percent were still undecided.

Tuesday's debate was moderated by John Donvan, a correspondent for ABC News. Here are some highlights:

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British journalist Simon Jenkins, a columnist for the Guardian and the Sunday Times:

"I had great respect for Bush when he came to power. I liked his courtesy, I liked his moderation, and I liked his concept of humility in America's power projection. I think, tragically, after 9/11, he allowed the politics of fear to get the better of him; he persuaded my prime minister, Tony Blair, to let the politics of fear aid his re-election campaign as well. The politics of fear is the most corrosive of all forms of politics in a democracy."




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Jacob Weisberg, chairman and editor-in-chief of The Slate Group, an online publishing group owned by The Washington Post Co.:

"Bush was never up to the job of being president, and it's not a matter of lacking in intelligence; it's a matter of lacking character. Bush wasn't interested enough in policy; he couldn't tolerate challenge or dissent or disagreement; he couldn't open his mind long enough to consider alternatives or admit the possibility that he might sometimes be wrong. He let his righteousness and his arrogance and his anger get the better of him. And in the end, I think what's so damning about Bush and what does make him the worst president of the last 50 years is that these were things within his control."



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William Kristol, editor of The Weekly Standard, a Washington-based political magazine, and columnist for The New York Times:

"In the real world, the choices are not, you know, perfection, and … in the real world, he's made a lot of tough decisions, most of them correct. ... There's no reason not to be critical of Bush, not to disagree with Bush, not to prefer Obama, not to have voted for Gore and Kerry — most people in New York, obviously, have all those views. But to think that he's the worst president in 50 years is just silly."




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Karl Rove, chief architect of Bush's 2000 and 2004 presidential campaigns, and Bush's senior adviser and deputy chief of staff from 2001-07:

"I will defend the president, and I will defend the record of the last eight years. Not always successful, but enormously successful over the long term and the long sweep of history."

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Honestly, I don't think that, given the issues that have surfaced during his term, anyone else could have done better. They could have done a lot worse, though. Blaming the President for things is just an easy cop-out for most.

Now, Carter, on the other hand...
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I've been trying to find a video, the whole debate would probably be a good one. Not that it would come to a consensus or change anyone's minds.

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NPR.org I rest my case.

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Honestly, I don't think that, given the issues that have surfaced during his term, anyone else could have done better. They could have done a lot worse, though. Blaming the President for things is just an easy cop-out for most.

Now, Carter, on the other hand...
The only beneficial reason to look back and find blame is to not repeat mistakes.

We REALLY have more pressing issues and don't have the time to focus at all on playing the blame game. We've got shit to do!!!

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Its too early to judge him. Let the smoke clear first and the results of his actions as President really come to the surface...especially with the ton of bias against him now.

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No. Not even close.

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NPR.org I rest my case.
The article is from them, that doesn't mean they set up the debate.

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How the hell can one say that about a 2-term President?

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he is not the worst, but he might be number 3, behind carter and bush sr.

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he is not the worst, but he might be number 3, behind carter and bush sr.
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Here’s how I would rank the presidents of the last 50 years – from worst to first:

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The article is from them, that doesn't mean they set up the debate.
NPR. Most biased media outlet in the last 50 years?

You want worst president? He'll be taking the reins on January. He's not even in office and people in his own party are getting tired of him.

Given the things that have happened during his watch, I could not pick anyone I'd have over President Bush.

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Its going to be interesting to see where Obama ranks. I think he is going to be right there beside Bush as "ZOMG the worst president EVARRRR!!". And it won't say much about him beyond the fact that the times are very tough.

I am amused at the idea that if someone else was in office things would have been so much better. Especially considering the fact that Congress went right along with the war plans. Fact is, we would be in the same position we are right now no matter who was there unless that person was some flaming fucking pacifist.
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My take...worst to first

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I am amused at the idea that if someone else was in office things would have been so much better. Especially considering the fact that Congress went right along with the war plans. Fact is, we would be in the same position we are right now no matter who was there unless that person was some flaming fucking pacifist.
Like Gore?

To bad Reagon wasnt pres on 911 we could drilling for oil through glass over there today.

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Like Gore?

To bad Reagon wasnt pres on 911 we could drilling for oil through glass over there today.
I probably spoke too soon. I can't imagine what would have happened if Gore was in office. I won't begin to guess what that idiot would have done. I guess we can say for sure that he would have signed the Kyoto agreement...
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I probably spoke too soon. I can't imagine what would have happened if Gore was in office. I won't begin to guess what that idiot would have done. I guess we can say for sure that he would have signed the Kyoto agreement...

We' d all be standing around a hot rock in the middle of the forrest, typing kumbaya on the internet that Al built, then jumping back on our bicycles to go back to work, making flax clothing.

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From a far reaching standpoint, I think Johnson can be credited with a lot of the bullshit going on right now (entitlement, handouts, etc), I would even rank him above Carter as one of the all-time assholes of this country. Carter was just a fucking dummy. Johnson was as close to a socialist as one could get.

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From a far reaching standpoint, I think Johnson can be credited with a lot of the bullshit going on right now (entitlement, handouts, etc), I would even rank him above Carter as one of the all-time assholes of this country. Carter was just a fucking dummy. Johnson was as close to a socialist as one could get.

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And Fuck Nixon in his crooked asshole for expanding the great society and creating the EPA. He should be dug up, punched in the shriveled nuts and reburied with a 'Tricky Dick' mask.
Pretty close. We can thank Johnson for what Viet Nam became, too.

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Pretty close. We can thank Johnson for what Viet Nam became, too.
I was born in 77, so I'm going off of self taught history.

Which by all accounts could mean that Iraq could be Obama's Vietnam as opposed to Bush's.

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Anyone that listed Reagan needs to have their head examined!!! I know it's just the pony tail talking with fitzwell, so I'll let that slide. Reagan kept the world from becoming the way it is today. Without him, we'd be going through all this crap in the 80's.
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"It is true, as I have said many times, that Saddam Hussein was not connected to the 9/11 attacks."
-George W. Bush (Dec. 5, 2008)

"The use of armed forces against Iraq is consistent with the United States and other countries continuing to take the necessary actions against international terrorists and terrorist organizations, including those nations, organizations or person who planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001."
-George W. Bush (Letter to Congress, March 21, 2003)

Sounds like a candidate for the worst, to me.
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Depends. Some might say Saddam was a terrorist himself.

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There were terrorist organizations, and terrorists in Iraq....just because Saddam wasn't involved with 9-11 doesn't mean they don't exist.
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gpamp= biggest dipshit award of all time.

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There were terrorist organizations, and terrorists in Iraq....just because Saddam wasn't involved with 9-11 doesn't mean they don't exist.
You think he just might have been handing over money and places for them to train?

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If you were to ask me this question 2 to 3 years ago, I would have said yes without hesitation. However, after absorbing more and more information I've come to an interesting conclusion. I personally disagreed with a wide contingent of Bush Administration policies, but he's not the neo-con hawk that the liberal media tries to make you believe. George W. Bush, like his father, is a moderate Republican. Infinitely more progressive compared to a Ronald Reagan. A lot of staunch conservatives are disappointed in him, but I've always thought it was clear he was not a true conservative.

If you hit the rewind button to 9/11/01 then immediately replace certain key members of his cabinet then you have a completely different historical outcome. He's not the nefarious figure I once believed him to be. I still think he was a blue blood product of a powerful family who has a dubious military record, followed by bouts of alcoholism in his adult life. His mistake is allowing the Rove team nucleus that brought him to power have unmitigated influence over his Presidency. Perhaps, exercising there own agendas through his pen.

Popular opinion pegs him as being the worst President in history. However, I'm going to have to disagree with that statement. I will give you two thumbs on Cheney being the worst VP on record. Abso-fuckin-lutely. And you could use Donald Rumsfeld as a case study on what not to do to be politically successful.

People talk of worst POTUS and I think of guys like James Buchanan and Jimmy Carter.

History will not be kind to George W. Bush, but I think the liberal media has exaggerated his flaws and political faux pas. He's not my favorite, but the guy has been railroaded by the media over the last 5 years in the ugliest way I've ever seen. Clinton got more respect during his impeachment hearings.

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If you were to ask me this question 2 to 3 years ago, I would have said yes without hesitation. However, after absorbing more and more information I've come to an interesting conclusion. I personally disagreed with a wide contingent of Bush Administration policies, but he's not the neo-con hawk that the liberal media tries to make you believe. George W. Bush, like his father, is a moderate Republican. Infinitely more progressive compared to a Ronald Reagan. A lot of staunch conservatives are disappointed in him, but I've always thought it was clear he was not a true conservative.

If you hit the rewind button to 9/11/01 then immediately replace certain key members of his cabinet then you have a completely different historical outcome. He's not the nefarious figure I once believed him to be. I still think he was a blue blood product of a powerful family who has a dubious military record, followed by bouts of alcoholism in his adult life. His mistake is allowing the Rove team nucleus that brought him to power have unmitigated influence over his Presidency. Perhaps, exercising there own agendas through his pen.

Popular opinion pegs him as being the worst President in history. However, I'm going to have to disagree with that statement. I will give you two thumbs on Cheney being the worst VP on record. Abso-fuckin-lutely. And you could use Donald Rumsfeld as a case study on what not to do to be politically successful.

People talk of worst POTUS and I think of guys like James Buchanan and Jimmy Carter.

History will not be kind to George W. Bush, but I think the liberal media has exaggerated his flaws and political faux pas. He's not my favorite, but the guy has been railroaded by the media over the last 5 years in the ugliest way I've ever seen. Clinton got more respect during his impeachment hearings.
Very nice post. But i disagree on one thing. I think down the years, Bush Jr. will be seen as a decent, not great, but decent president. His father went through his own "no new taxes" blunder, but now many see him as a pretty decent president. Experts have theorized that if perot wasn't running back then, Bush would have won over clinton.

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This is very broad. Connected as in he was not involved in the planning, or connected as in none of those involved in the 9/11 attacks directly were trained in one of the camps in iraq?
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"The use of armed forces against Iraq is consistent with the United States and other countries continuing to take the necessary actions against international terrorists and terrorist organizations, including those nations, organizations or person who planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001."
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"It is true, as I have said many times, that Saddam Hussein was not connected to the 9/11 attacks."
-George W. Bush (Dec. 5, 2008)

"The use of armed forces against Iraq is consistent with the United States and other countries continuing to take the necessary actions against international terrorists and terrorist organizations, including those nations, organizations or person who planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001."
-George W. Bush (Letter to Congress, March 21, 2003)

Sounds like a candidate for the worst, to me.
Should probably exercise a little higher level reading comprehension to realize how those two are not mutually exclusive. I'm not a Bush fan and I have the ability to differentiate this.
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My take...worst to first

Ford
Bush Sr
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Carter
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Nixon
Kennedy
Johnson
Reagan
Clinton
CLINTON is first!!!!!!
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"It is true, as I have said many times, that Saddam Hussein was not connected to the 9/11 attacks."
-George W. Bush (Dec. 5, 2008)

"The use of armed forces against Iraq is consistent with the United States and other countries continuing to take the necessary actions against international terrorists and terrorist organizations, including those nations, organizations or person who planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001."
-George W. Bush (Letter to Congress, March 21, 2003)

Sounds like a candidate for the worst, to me.
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Should probably exercise a little higher level reading comprehension to realize how those two are not mutually exclusive. I'm not a Bush fan and I have the ability to differentiate this.
I only used 1 of Bush's many statements claiming that Saddam was connected. He used the "connection" over and over to sell the idea of going to war in Iraq. Then, Friday, he says that he knew all along they were never connected.

There's no problem in reading comprehension there. The idea is that a giant error was made. One that cost us American lives in Iraq.
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You, too?? It's gonna be great, isn't it?!?! Every time he speaks about the economy, the dow goes up. Imagine when he's actually President!!
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You, too?? It's gonna be great, isn't it?!?! Every time he speaks about the economy, the dow goes up. Imagine when he's actually President!!
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History will not be kind to George W. Bush, but I think the liberal media has exaggerated his flaws and political faux pas. He's not my favorite, but the guy has been railroaded by the media over the last 5 years in the ugliest way I've ever seen. Clinton got more respect during his impeachment hearings.
It's not that Clinton got respect during the impeachment hearings. It's that his economic record, and the fact that his presidency was fairly peaceful, overshadowed the attempt of Republicans to railroad his legacy toward the end of his term. History won't be kind to Bush, because he really was terrible. All the vacationing, bumbling speeches, constant war with little results or reasoning... hell, I can't figure out what he's done that will stand out at as a shining moment in the future.
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hell, I can't figure out what he's done that will stand out at as a shining moment in the future.
This sentence alone makes you the biggest idiot I have ever come across. Even my hard core liberal Bush hating brother will concede that Bush stopped the attacks and brought our country together right after 9/11. He doesn't agree with the war or what he has done since, but he acknowledges what he did then.

History will remember him as the President who brought us together after 9/11, showed great leadership in one of the worst times in our history, stopped the attacks that were occurring about once a year from 1993 to 2001, and unless Obama blows it big time, started the end of the Islamic extremists reign of terror on the world.

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You, too?? It's gonna be great, isn't it?!?! Every time he speaks about the economy, the dow goes up. Imagine when he's actually President!!
So is he responsible for it going down overall since his election if he gets credit for an upturn on a day or two?

I wasn't going to hold him accountable until Jan. 20th, but if you want to assign him responsibility before then, feel free.

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You, too?? It's gonna be great, isn't it?!?! Every time he speaks about the economy, the dow goes up. Imagine when he's actually President!!
You're insane. When these banks wake up and realize that the free money they got comes with a giant shackle around their legs, in terms of operating in a free market, they will lose their minds. Think the economy is bad now? Just wait.

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It's not that Clinton got respect during the impeachment hearings. It's that his economic record, and the fact that his presidency was fairly peaceful, overshadowed the attempt of Republicans to railroad his legacy toward the end of his term. History won't be kind to Bush, because he really was terrible. All the vacationing, bumbling speeches, constant war with little results or reasoning... hell, I can't figure out what he's done that will stand out at as a shining moment in the future.
You've been blinded and with no return to normal thinking or reasoning.

How about pelosi's vacationing during a needed vote? How about most of your beloved radical democrates that VOTED FOR the WARS-- With an S, plural.... How about your radical democrates who decided to delay funding for the wars THEY voted FOR that could have put OUR ENTIRE military in jepardy? You've eaten up everything the leftwing liberal media has twisted or made up to make the Bush look bad. Funny thing is, we don't hear about how our DEMOCRATIC congress has a lower approval rating, IS without question, the WORST congress in history, and its that congress who is giving our tax dollars to banks that use it to party. IT is our DEMOCRATIC congress who can't seem to even agree amongst themselves let alone republicans. Wanna talk about voting in the same ol' shit? You did it.

Now about your messiah, Funny how he is back peddling after his "oh shit moment" while being briefed by the current administration. He's got your idols Frank Barney and Harry Reid all up in arms because Obama won't break the law and try to govern and take power from Bush.

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It's that his economic record, and the fact that his presidency was fairly peaceful, overshadowed the attempt of Republicans to railroad his legacy toward the end of his term.
Yes, yes, and no.

Clinton railroaded his legacy by choosing to lie under oath. The Republicans just capitalized on a golden opportunity to smear his Presidency. That's politics.

I voted for Bill Clinton, so don't reply by saying that I'm a Clinton hater or whatnot.

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hell, I can't figure out what he's done that will stand out at as a shining moment in the future.
No terrorist attacks on American soil since 9.11.01, Requiring parental consent on minors getting abortions under Medical Privacy ACt, Defense of Marriage Act, Signed Teachers Protection Act, Supports zero tolerance in schools, Faithful to his wife, Showed tremendous leadership during 9/11, No Child Left Behind Act, Saddam Hussein and his sons are dead, etc..............

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it was not a problem to bring money to his house at 10pm.so why is it a problem to call and bitch.it wasnt a problem when we were all sitting around smoking pot together.yes i said it we all were smoking pot together.what now stupid.
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Yes, yes, and no.

Clinton railroaded his legacy by choosing to lie under oath. The Republicans just capitalized on a golden opportunity to smear his Presidency. That's politics.

I voted for Bill Clinton, so don't reply by saying that I'm a Clinton hater or whatnot.



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From one recovering Democrat to another, excellent post.

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This sentence alone makes you the biggest idiot I have ever come across. Even my hard core liberal Bush hating brother will concede that Bush stopped the attacks and brought our country together right after 9/11. He doesn't agree with the war or what he has done since, but he acknowledges what he did then.

History will remember him as the President who brought us together after 9/11, showed great leadership in one of the worst times in our history, stopped the attacks that were occurring about once a year from 1993 to 2001, and unless Obama blows it big time, started the end of the Islamic extremists reign of terror on the world.
Paladin, this statement is the dumbest thing to ever be typed by your ass cheeks.

ANY PRESIDENT who happened to be president would've been the one to "bring our country together right after 9/11." Hell, we didn't NEED a president to be patriotic after a tragedy like that. WHOEVER was in office at the time, would've been the one to bring us together.

And stop the attacks? What? Huh? They were done. Time will tell if there were more attacks coming, but were "thwarted" by an unjustified war in Iraq. But I'm guessing history won't say that.

Don't call me an idiot while making retarded ass statements of your own.
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This ? is for gpampers. Can you name 2 of the two presidents that have been impeached? I'll make it easy and give you 1 Andrew Johnson 17th pres. Whats the other?

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No terrorist attacks on American soil since 9.11.01,
Again, it's nothing that ANYBODY wouldn't do, if they were in office with a tragedy like 9/11 taking place. Say what you will, but even Al Gore would've attacked al Qaeda.
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Requiring parental consent on minors getting abortions under Medical Privacy ACt,
And ignoring the fact that there are several young girls, raped by their fathers, too scared to tell the same father that raped them, that she wants an abortion.
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Defense of Marriage Act,
Yes. Making laws based on the Bible is really smart. The Bible also teaches against divorce. And against marrying outside of your faith. And says that you can sell your daughter into slavery. Divorce is a much worse offense to marriage than gay people getting married, imo (and literally).
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Signed Teachers Protection Act,
You do realize that the "Teacher Protection Act" is just part of the No Child Left Behind Act, right? Most lawyers agree that it can be easily bypassed, to sue the teacher.
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Supports zero tolerance in schools,
I'll give him that. He'll go down as the "President who supported zero tolerance in the horrible school system of the U.S."
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Faithful to his wife,
She hasn't written her book, yet.
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Showed tremendous leadership during 9/11,
Again, if I were president, I would've seemed to show "tremendous leadership" after 9/11. All you had to do was make an empty promise like "I'm gonna get bin Laden" and never do it, to impress you, apparently.
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No Child Left Behind Act,
Again, a worthless attempt to save our schools.
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Saddam Hussein and his sons are dead, etc..............
And history will always ask why he picked Saddam and not any of the other hundred tyrants in the world. It will be a small light in a dark presidency.
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Gpamp, I didn't see an answer to the second president that was impeached...

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