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Terrorists target foriegners in Mumbai, India

They were specifically looking for Brits and US citizens.

Fuck, My wife and I are supposed to go over there in January. This happened just 10 miles from where we're planing to stay..

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Terror attacks in Mumbai; 80 dead, over 900 injured
27 Nov 2008, 0224 hrs IST, TIMES NEWS NETWORK & AGENCIES

Mumbai: In one of the most violent terror attacks on Indian soil, Mumbai came under an unprecedented night attack as terrorists used heavy
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A policeman stands guard after shootings by unidentified assailants at a railway station in Mumbai. (Reuters)

machine guns, including AK-47s, and grenades to strike at the city's most high-profile targets -- the hyper-busy CST (formerly VT) rail terminus; the landmark Taj Hotel at the Gateway and the luxury Oberoi Trident at Nariman Point; the domestic airport at Santa Cruz; the Cama and GT hospitals near CST; the Metro Adlabs multiplex and Mazgaon Dockyard -- killing at least 80 and sending more than 900 to hospital, according to latest reports. ( Watch )

The attacks have taken a tragic toll on the city's top police brass: The high-profile chief of the anti-terror squad Hemant Karkare was killed; Mumbai's additional commissioner of police (east) Ashok Kamte was gunned down outside the Metro; and celebrated encounter specialist Vijay Salaskar was also killed. ( Watch )

The attacks appeared to be aimed at getting international attention as the terrorists took upto 40 British nationals and other foreigners hostage. The chairman of Hindustan Unilever Harish Manwani and CEO of the company Nitin Paranjpe were among the guests trapped at the Oberoi. All the internal board members of the multinational giant were reported to be holed up in the Oberoi hotel.

Two terrorists were reported holed up inside the Oberoi Hotel. Fresh firing has been reported at Oberoi and Army has entered the hotel to flush out the terrorists.

An unknown outfit, Deccan Mujahideen, has sent an email to news organizations claiming that it carried out the Mumbai attacks.

The Army and Navy in Mumbai were put on alert. 65 Army commandos and 200 NSG commandos were being rushed to Mumbai, Home Minister Shivraj Patil said.

The Navy commandos too have been asked to assist the police. Special secretary M L Kumawat is in constant touch with the state police.

Some media reports attributed the attack to Lashkar-e-Taiba. There were also unconfirmed reports that some of the terrorists came in by sea. A boat laden with explosives was recovered later at night off the Gateway of India.

Well after midnight, sources said two of the terrorists were shot and wounded at Girgaum in south Mumbai. The two were driving in a commandeered silver-coloured Skoda car. Earlier, these men had sprayed bullets from a police Bolero, outside the Metro Adlabs multiplex.

The attacks occurred at the busiest places. Besides hotels and hospitals, terrorists struck at railway stations, Crawford Market, Wadi Bunder and on the Western Express Highway near the airport. Several of these places are within a one-km radius of the commissioner of police's office.

"This is definitely a terrorist strike. Seven places have been attacked with automatic weapons and grenades. Terrorists are still holed up in three locations Taj and Oberoi hotels and GT Hospital. Encounters are on at all three places," said Maharashtra DGP A N Roy.

St George's Hospital and G T Hospital were said to have received 75 bodies and more than 250 injured people, additional municipal commissioner R A Rajeev said. Bombay Hospital got two bodies and 30 injured people were admitted there; Cooper Hospital, Vile Parle, got three dismembered bodies.

Three of the deaths occurred inside the Taj and one G T Hospital attendant died in a shootout inside the hospital. There were reports of people cowering under tables and chairs at both the Taj as well as G T Hospital.

Metro Junction resident Manoj Goel said: "My brother, Manish, died in the firing at Colaba's Hamaal Galli." Cops fired back at the men -- probably from one of the Lashkar groups, dressed in black and with backpacks and SRPF, Crime Branch, ATS and teams of military commandos were summoned to the spot. Train services at CST were suspended and all roads leading to and from south Mumbai were blockaded.

Maharashtra Chief Minister Vilasrao Deshmukh cut short his Kerala visit and was returning to Mumbai. He described the situation in Mumbai as "very serious".

Deshmukh promised "stringent action" against the assailants but the mood across Mumbai was not so optimistic.

There were reports of firing around several landmark buildings in the Colaba-Nariman Point area, including the Taj hotel, Oberoi and other
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A suspected terrorist of Mumbai terror attack seen in this image. (Times Now)

tourist attractions and pubs like Leopold's. The top floor of Oberoi was said to be on fire amid reports of blasts in the area and blood-smeared bodies were being brought out of the Taj lobby.

Terrorists were said to be holed up at the Taj as well as G T Hospital and cops scampered to cordon off these places. A white flag was seen fluttering from an Oberoi Hotel window around 11.20 pm, where a blast was said to have occurred.

The blast on the Western Express Highway -- near Centaur Hotel outside the airport -- occurred in a taxi, deputy commissioner of police Nissar Tamboli said.

The firing and bombing started close to the Gateway of India. The gunbattle then moved on towards CST and raged on for over an hour from 10 pm, sending commuters running out of the station.

The assailants also fired into the crowd at CST and people on the trains and then ran out of the station themselves and into neighbouring buildings, including Cama Hospital, after being challenged by cops.

SRPF personnel then entered the iconic BMC building -- just opposite CST -- to take aim at the assailants, BMC commissioner Jairaj Phatak said. "We fear some of the assailants are still inside the station and we want to catch them if they come out,'' a police official said.

Vikhroli police station senior inspector Habib Ansari was on his way to work from his Colaba home when he saw two armed men, with sophisticated weaponry, trying to run into bylanes near the Gateway of India."I rushed back to Colaba and all policemen, including GRP and RPF personnel, were called up," he added.

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They were specifically looking for Brits and US citizens.

Fuck, My wife and I are supposed to go over there in January. This happened just 10 miles from where we're planing to stay..

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Tell them you're just a light skinned japanese man
I guess I could say I'm just really really tall for Japanese. Or only speak in Japanese (no speaky engrish)

IF we still go I'm making her take her old Japanese passport along with her US one. Just in case..

Looks like the attacks focused on 5 star hotels. We're not going to any place like that. I guess I could claim to be Canadian

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I guess I could say I'm just really really tall for Japanese. Or only speak in Japanese (no speaky engrish)

IF we still go I'm making her take her old Japanese passport along with her US one. Just in case..

Looks like the attacks focused on 5 star hotels. We're not going to any place like that. I guess I could claim to be Canadian
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I was reading about this today. Im not sure if it says it in that article you posted, but supposedly they were checking passports and if you were a Westerner, you got killed on the spot. Fucking crazy.

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I was reading about this today. Im not sure if it says it in that article you posted, but supposedly they were checking passports and if you were a Westerner, you got killed on the spot. Fucking crazy.
Yea, that was part of the story very early on.


But check this. The wife basically is saying Fuck'em. We're still goin.

I'm going to let things settle down and re-evaluate. I still haven't bought our tickets. So far we are only out about $1500 for this surrogacy thing. I'm going to discuss it with the firm organizing our trip to the fertility clinic over there.

There have been terrorist attacks in Mumbai before, but this is the first time someone has specifically targeted foreigners. Especially Americans and Brits. The reports about the terrorists asking for passports appear to be from a single person on the ground. We'll have to see how accurate that actually is.

So far I'm thinking we'll take a hotel that is closer to the clinic and away from the main tourist spots like Juhu Beach. There was an attack there but it was sporadic and appears to have not been the main target. The Taj and other hotels that were attacked are down about 10 miles south where we want to be. That is the real tourist and business hotspot of Mumbai. There are some smaller hotels within Bandra that are within walking distance of the clinic, they just aren't that good. However I might just consider them since the targeted hotels were all 5 star rated. Another alternative is to get a hotel near the airport where there is more security. The travel to the clinic will be longer but if the shit hits the fan, we can get out of dodge quicker..

I'm still thinking it through..

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Yeah man, I would seriously reconsider. Times have changed to be an American in a foreign country.

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I think you need to talk some sense into your wife.
I think all of us need to NOT run from these threats, but just increase awareness. Spreading terror and panic is their goal. I, for one, won't give the pricks the satisfaction. When the world steps up and puts a foot up their ass, we'll start making progress.
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You definitely should not change your life for fear of a potential terrorist attack. They win if you start adopting that philosophy. However, you also have to exercise common sense. I wouldn't knowingly go to a foreign country where major terrorist strikes against US citizens recently occurred.

I wonder what Obama's thoughts are on the matter?

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I wonder what Obama's thoughts are on the matter?
That's easy... all the media's attention is on him, rather than the current Administration.
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I wonder if they would ever pull that in a Texas hotel? It may be a little different if we have the ability to shoot back.

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Nov 27, 2008 2:29 | Updated Nov 27, 2008 17:28
'10-15 Israelis held in Chabad House and Mumbai hotel'
By DAVID HOROVITZ, MATTHEW WAGNER, AND JPOST.COM STAFF

Indian commandos and police were evacuating civilians and cordoning off the area apparently in preparation to storm the Chabad House in Mumbai, India, where a rabbi, his wife and several other Israelis were being held hostage, according to IBN, an Indian news agency.

Chabad spokesman in Israel, Moni Ender, said there were eight Israelis inside the house, including Rabbi Gavriel Holtzberg and his wife Rivka Holtzberg.

According to a Foreign Ministry estimate, a total of between 10 and 15 Israelis were being held by terrorists at both the Chabad House and the Oberoi Hotel.

Newscasters were calling it the "final assault" on the Nariman House, where Chabad headquarters are located, adjacent to the Leopold Cafe, a major tourist center in Mumbai's Colaba area, which was also attacked Wednesday night.

According to a report by Reuters, the terrorists have expressed their desire to negotiate with the Indian government for the release of the hostages. The government, however, has repeatedly stated that it will not negotiate.

Several senior Indian police and security officers were killed in the joint attack, which caused police to take more cautious measures before storming the Chabad House, said Indian reporters.

Earlier, Reuters reported that one terrorist had been killed by Indian special forces in the Chabad House, but four others still remained barricaded inside, where they were holding off efforts to reach those inside.

Sky News reported that a loud explosion had been heard at the Chabad House. There was no official word as to the cause of the explosion, which could indicate the onset of an attempt to storm the compound.

On Thursday morning, Moshe Holtzberg, the toddler son of the Chabad emissaries, was rushed from the house in the arms of one of the Chabad House's employees, Sandra Samuel.

"I took the child, I just grabbed the baby and ran out," said Samuel, 44, who has worked as a cook for the center for the last five years.

She said that the rabbi and his wife, along with two other unidentified guests, were alive but unconscious.

"Pray that we should hear good news," urged a Chabad spokesman, Rabbi Zalman Shmotkin, in a telephone conversation with The Jerusalem Post from New York in the early hours of Thursday morning, Israel time.

Shmotkin also said that the gunmen had seized a police vehicle, which allowed them access to the area around the Chabad House.

Joshua Runyan, the news editor of the Chabad.org/news website, told the Post that there had been "several reports that shots were fired in the vicinity of the Chabad House, and unconfirmed reports on CNN of casualties in the Nariman House." Nariman House, Runyan said, was the original name of the Chabad House, which was purchased two years ago.

Runyan, who is currently in Jerusalem, said that a friend of the rabbi's had received an email from Holtzberg, unrelated to the attacks, at around the time of the attacks or shortly before they began, but that there had been no contact with Holtzberg since. "Since then, we've been trying all the numbers," he said.

The Foreign Ministry in Jerusalem confirmed that hostages had been taken in the Chabad House area. The ministry had yet to make contact with some 20 Israelis in the Mumbai area.

Indian news agencies reported that three people were killed in or close to the Chabad House. The dead were not hostages, the reports said.

Phone calls by the Post to the Chabad House and to the Holtzbergs went unanswered late Wednesday night and in the early hours of Thursday morning. Friends of the Holtzbergs placed messages on various Internet sites appealing for information about them.

Israel Radio reported that consulate staff were visiting local hospitals. Runyan said the Chabad House was a popular tourist destination and that "Israelis regularly come by and visit."

In an article on the chabad.org Web site, Runyan wrote that "Chabad-Lubavitch representatives in New York and Israel are working alongside the Israeli Foreign Ministry, the US Consulate in Mumbai and a volunteer team of local residents to ascertain the well being of the Holtzbergs and other Jews in the area."

He added, "People are urged to say Psalms for Gavriel Noach ben Freida Bluma and Rivka bas Yehudis, and anyone affected by the tragedy."

Elie Leshem and Herb Keinon contributed to this report.

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I wonder if they would ever pull that in a Texas hotel? It may be a little different if we have the ability to shoot back.

yeh americans will be alot safer if they give up there assault rifle and ammo.
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back on subject this makes me feel alot better knowing that 98% of all corner stores are owned/ran buy indians.....

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Well, as terrible as this outbreak is at least it *should* open the eyes of the new administration to the fact that yes, virginia, terrorism is still alive and well and we need to be prepared for it. Unfortunately IMO it will take another strike on US soil to reawaken the US citizens again to the threat.
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kudos to the indians for not negotiating with the fucking morons . just go in and kill the bastards . should do the same thing with the pirates . if i owned ships they would have mini's mounted on them .

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should do the same thing with the pirates . if i owned ships they would have mini's mounted on them .
If they are not currently being installed probably soon will be. I think when they grabbed a $100mill worth of crude it got attention.

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back on subject this makes me feel alot better knowing that 98% of all corner stores are owned/ran buy indians.....
You're aware that the Indians are the ones being attacked, right?

The one terrorist they have captured has been discovered to be from Pakistan. That guy has admitted that the rest of his group was from Pakistan.

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Looks like the captured terrorist is being very cooperative. I don't think he care's about the information he's putting out.

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Sez the police had guns but wouldn't use them or pursue the terrorist. Ain't it about time that Islamist's (extremist or not) luck ran out. I mean shit...we locked up the Manson Family didn't we?

Mumbai photographer: I wish I'd had a gun, not a camera. Armed police would not fire back

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Sez the police had guns but wouldn't use them or pursue the terrorist. Ain't it about time that Islamist's (extremist or not) luck ran out. I mean shit...we locked up the Manson Family didn't we?

Mumbai photographer: I wish I'd had a gun, not a camera. Armed police would not fire back

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I read that article. Seems like those cops were either scared shitless or simply unwilling to risk their lives.

However I have also read articles about police heroism in Mumbai.

I've been watching CNN-IBN (Indian Broadcast News) and the IT Industry in Bangalore is taking advantage of the attack and demanding that the Indian government reform gun control laws so that more people can get weapons to defend themselves. Right now it is very difficult for a private citizen to get a gun, even in a professional capacity. NONE of the attacked hotels had armed guards because it is almost impossible to get a gun license for them.

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Sounds like they need some Texans over there
I doubt in Texas 10 bad guys could take their leisurely time walking around train stations, restaurants, bars, and hotels killing 200 people and injuring another 300.
In a place where citizens can't get guns and the cops won't use theirs it's not even a challenge for terrorist.

This is yet another event and opportunity for muslims to step up with some vigilence and protect "their good name".

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I doubt in Texas 10 bad guys could take their leisurely time walking around train stations, restaurants, bars, and hotels killing 200 people and injuring another 300.
That's pretty much what I meant by that comment. In places like Mumbai, law abiding citizens are just victims in waiting. Maybe the outcome would have been the same or even worse if the Indian populous had guns but they would, at the very least, have had a chance.

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