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Democrats' first move: kill conservative talk radio

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"When the Democrats take over, apparently the first thing they are going to do is kill conservative talk radio.
Meanwhile, the government continues to fund liberal NPR."

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Most definitely BS. I am in the non profit radio sector, and we are going to be extremely crippled after this goes through.. Maybe even terminally so..

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Total bull shit. What right do they have to tell us what we can and can't listen too. First step to socialism. YaaY!!

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Even the name sounds socialist to me. Soon TV and movies will follow.

But in all fairness in theory this would effect liberal talk radio also.

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I think that link is BS, but the intent of a Democratically endorsed Fairness Doctrine might be something to be skeptical of.

I see it as a way to regulate freedom of speech over the air. And I think that is something to be weary of. Ronald Reagan vetoed this for good reason.

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Most definitely BS. I am in the non profit radio sector, and we are going to be extremely crippled after this goes through.. Maybe even terminally so..

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Obama to appoint talk radio's executioner?
Expected FCC transition chief served during 'Fairness Doctrine' days

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Democrat Henry Rivera, a former commissioner of the Federal Communications Commission, is expected to head President-elect Barack Obama's FCC transition team, a move that has sparked fear in media circles that the Fairness Doctrine may return to silence conservative talk radio.

If reenacted, the "Fairness Doctrine" would require broadcasts over the public airwaves to give equal time to opposing political views. For talk radio, which boomed after the law's repeal in 1987 by building an audience devoted to conservative talk, the law's return would decimate the industry's marketability.

Many fear the "Fairness Doctrine" would drive talk radio hosts – like Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity and Michael Savage – out of business.

Brian Maloney of the blog The Radio Equalizer said in his post, "Meet Talk's Executioner," he believes Rivera will use his position to bring back the law for that very purpose.

Rivera, according to Maloney, "is expected to lead the push to dismantle commercial talk radio that is favored by a number of Democratic Party senators. Rivera will play a pivotal role in preventing critics from having a public voice during Obama's tenure in office."

Rivera served on the five-member FCC from 1981 to 1985 under Republican chairman Mark Fowler. He is now a partner at the Wiley Rein law firm, the same firm current FCC chairman Kevin Martin worked at prior to his appointment to the FCC.

Rivera resigned from the FCC in 1985. The remainder of his term was served by President Reagan appointee Patricia Diaz Dennis, who opposed the Fairness Doctrine. The law was then repealed in 1987 after the FCC admitted it "had the net effect of reducing rather than enhancing the discussion of controversial issues of public importance."

Rivera himself has not confirmed his selection as Obama's FCC transition team chief, first reported by Multichannel News.

"The only thing I can tell you is that there will be a release of the folks involved in that," Rivera told the News. "I just can't comment on anything. They told us not to talk to the press."

Rivera also declined to answer WND's request for his position on reinstating the Fairness Doctrine.

Obama's position on the law also remains unclear.

"Sen. Obama does not support reimposing the Fairness Doctrine on broadcasters," campaign press secretary Michael Ortiz told Broadcasting & Cable earlier this year. "He considers this debate to be a distraction from the conversation we should be having about opening up the airwaves and modern communications to as many diverse viewpoints as possible."

As WND reported, ATI-News President Brad O'Leary examined Obama's legal and organizational attempts to silence media detractors during the presidential race and came to a different conclusion.

"Barack Obama has shown a stunning lack of tolerance for free speech throughout the course of this campaign," said O'Leary. "His presidency, combined with supermajorities for Democrats in Congress, would almost certainly bring back the so-called 'Fairness Doctrine' and allow the Democrats to snuff out any broadcasters with whom they disagree."

Democrats in Congress have been more definitive in advocating the "Fairness Doctrine."

In June, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., affirmed her support to Human Events reporter John Gizzi.

Speaking on Albuquerque station KKOB, Sen. Jeff Bingaman, D-N.M., told host Jim Villanucci, "I would want this station and all stations to have to present a balanced perspective and different points of view, instead of always hammering away at one side of the political [spectrum]."

Bingaman said, "For many, many years, we operated under a Fairness Doctrine in this country. I think the country was well-served. I think the public discussion was at a higher level and more intelligent in those days than it has become since."

Rush Limbaugh, the most-listened to radio host in American history, however, blasted Bingaman's comment that there were "a lot of talk stations" before 1987.

"A 125 radio stations talking about carrot cake recipes for the holidays," Limbaugh said. "Senator Bingaman, do you know how many talk-radio stations there are in America today? Try over 2,000 since the Fairness Doctrine was lifted, and on those 2,000 radio stations are countless points of view, from the extreme communist left to the wacko whatever it is way out on the fringe right. They're all over the place."

Republican Rep. Mike Pence of Indiana has opposed to the Fairness Doctrine by introducing the Broadcasters Freedom Act, arguing that lifting the restrictive law has "opened the public airwaves to free and vigorous discussion of controversial issues by individuals of all political stripes."

"Bringing back the Fairness Doctrine would amount to government control over political views expressed on the public airwaves," Pence said. "It is a dangerous proposal to suggest the government should be in the business of rationing free speech."

Pence, a former broadcaster, said his Broadcasters Freedom Act would ensure that "true freedom and fairness will remain on our radio airwaves."



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No wonder Europe loves O'Bomba.
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this guy is gonna be something to watch for sure. nobodys gonna admit to voting for this jackass when its all said and done

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That's total bullshit right there.

Was all of this crazy "the world is gonna end" bullshit happening when Clinton was elected?

I was only 8 years old so I don't remember.
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I disagree with trying to kill conservative radio. Even though according to Sean Hannity, Sean Hannity is anti-American because he's been disrespecting the President elect during war time. I only hope Sean Hannity is more forgiving of Sean than Sean is.
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Things weren't so negative when Clinton was elected because he wasn't the most liberal person to ever take the position.
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this guy is gonna be something to watch for sure. nobodys gonna admit to voting for this jackass when its all said and done
lol yep, every black person in American will now have to hang their head in shame once he tears this country apart.

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I disagree with trying to kill conservative radio. Even though according to Sean Hannity, Sean Hannity is anti-American because he's been disrespecting the President elect during war time. I only hope Sean Hannity is more forgiving of Sean than Sean is.
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I could deal with them offing Limbaugh.
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I could deal with them offing Limbaugh.
as opposed to offing...
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That's total bullshit right there.

Was all of this crazy "the world is gonna end" bullshit happening when Clinton was elected?

I was only 8 years old so I don't remember.

No, not that i remember anyways. Mostly it was talk of scandals with hillarys firm and bills brother. Didn't hear anything of the sort like you do now. But Bill also wasn't as liberal and didn't have ties to known terrorists.

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WHAT'S NEXT, DFWSTANGS?

Man, this site needs to bring in some idioits from San Francisco to even up the liberal side.

Who's going to police this bull shite?
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Maybe they'll put Ann Coulter and Michelle Malkin on the view to help Elizabeth Hasselbeck out.

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1. Limbaugh will never go off the air. Even in a world with a fairness doctrine. His ratings and revenue streams are simply too high.

2. However 2nd tier conservative talks shows will see the axe. You'll see an end to shows like the Mark Davis show because they'll have to make room for some liberal asshat program.

3. The moment they institute it, it will be going to court and probably get an instant injunction. In the past radio stations couldn't fight something like the fairness doctrine in court. Now many stations are part of larger corporations. They'll sue and delay the fairness doctrine from going into effect. At the speed our courts move we could see another President before it can take effect.

The case WILL get to the SCOTUS and it will die there. There are many reasons I feel that the courts will not support the fairness doctrine this time around. First is the fact that there are a vast number of radio stations in the US as compared to the time when the court supported the Fairness Doctrine. Back then there was a "technical limit" to how many stations could exist. That limit isn't so clear now. However the greatest argument is the internet itself. Now ANYONE can conduct their own internet audio or video show through podcasting or streaming. There is absolutely NO LIMIT now the many ways opinion can get out and around the world. I think the court will question how the FCC plans to invoke a fairness doctrine when there are no longer limits on media. Barak Obama's very election was very much driven by internet media. His administration will have to argue against their very success.

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I disagree with trying to kill conservative radio. Even though according to Sean Hannity, Sean Hannity is anti-American because he's been disrespecting the President elect during war time. I only hope Sean Hannity is more forgiving of Sean than Sean is.
so, you have me so confused. It is okay to talk bad about the "president-elect" but to bad mouth the sitting president is okay? (which has been done by a lot of people). Sorry, but sometimes you really blow my mind.....and not in a good way....

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I could deal with them offing Limbaugh.
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so, you have me so confused. It is okay to talk bad about the "president-elect" but to bad mouth the sitting president is okay? (which has been done by a lot of people). Sorry, but sometimes you really blow my mind.....and not in a good way....
gpamp's logic is only fair in hypocrisy land, where he lives.

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The way he worded did require me to re-read it a few times. I believe the only personal opinion he put forth in this post was that conservative talk radio should not be dismantled.

Obama does in fact feel that he should not be talked about in a negative manner. We saw this going on throughout the campaign process. Obama and his band of merry meddlers have figured up a way to word this doctrine to seem fair and balanced, but the truth is obvious to those who have half a brain.
well, thank God for that i read it a couple times and just could not figure it out........

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Even the name sounds socialist to me. Soon TV and movies will follow.

But in all fairness in theory this would effect liberal talk radio also.
Because liberal radio was such a force

This is strictly a way to silence the only media that conservatives have. I don't think the libs understand the can of worms they are getting ready to open.

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I disagree with trying to kill conservative radio. Even though according to Sean Hannity, Sean Hannity is anti-American because he's been disrespecting the President elect during war time. I only hope Sean Hannity is more forgiving of Sean than Sean is.
Disrespecting a president elect? The mother fucker needs respect before he can be disrespected. You, being who you are, wouldn't know shit about respect anyway...
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This will push more people to Satellite radio...

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so, you have me so confused. It is okay to talk bad about the "president-elect" but to bad mouth the sitting president is okay? (which has been done by a lot of people). Sorry, but sometimes you really blow my mind.....and not in a good way....
It's sarcasm, and I'm using it to point out the hypocrisy of idiots like Sean Hannity. He & Ann Coulter called people anti-American if they criticized Bush. Now, they're bashing Obama... when he hasn't even done anything as President, yet. If you can get behind that, you can get behind the likes of Paladin, the ultimate hypocrite.
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It's sarcasm, and I'm using it to point out the hypocrisy of idiots like Sean Hannity. He & Ann Coulter called people anti-American if they criticized Bush. Now, they're bashing Obama... when he hasn't even done anything as President, yet. If you can get behind that, you can get behind the likes of Paladin, the ultimate hypocrite.
Please understand, if you're able, that this is nothing compared to the level scrutiny that he will endure...for four years...every day. The press will eventually turn on him, and when they do, we shall see what he's made of. I'm betting it's paper mache...

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lol there will be alot of changes.
alot of obama lovers will want their vote back.
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lol there will be alot of changes.
alot of obama lovers will want their vote back.
Naw, the lemmings will follow him where ever he leads them, right off the cliff if he dares. You have no idea how deep this brainwashing goes with most Obama followers. If they have no issue with him cohorting with known terrorists and racists, you think they would have an issue with something as minor as this?

Obama could stomp baby chicks and bunnies to death on live TV, and his zealots would care less.

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Naw, the lemmings will follow him where ever he leads them, right off the cliff if he dares. You have no idea how deep this brainwashing goes with most Obama followers. If they have no issue with him cohorting with known terrorists and racists, you think they would have an issue with something as minor as this?

Obama could stomp baby chicks and bunnies to death on live TV, and his zealots would care less.

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I dunno, once he starts in with "change" I think that a lot of people are going to be unhappy with the "changes". But to complain would be unpatriotic
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It's sarcasm, and I'm using it to point out the hypocrisy of idiots like Sean Hannity. He & Ann Coulter called people anti-American if they criticized Bush. Now, they're bashing Obama... when he hasn't even done anything as President, yet. If you can get behind that, you can get behind the likes of Paladin, the ultimate hypocrite.
You can criticize Bush and not be patriotic. I have done that many times, but you liberal idiot hypocrites don't have any respect, decency, or honor. That is why you throw out child molesting and other vulgar insults, and then try and lump every insult into the discussion like they are equal. Well guess what you fat little leprechaun, they are not all equal. You liberals insult and disrespect in foul vulgar ways that are unpatriotic and Anti-American. You can't see it becuase you drink the koolaid and thank the person who handed it to you. There are many areas that Obama is open to criticism and most are completely fair. His lack of judg,ment with who he associates with in his personal and professional life, his lies, his flip-flops on many issues to get elected, his lack of experience and qualifications to be President all just to name a few.

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Sorry, not hip to the "street" lingo.
It's a reference to the Jonestown Massacre. A religious zealot by the name of Jim Jones formed the Peoples Temple and moved a large group of followers to the South America. Their community was referred to as Jonestown. Jones created what he called a socialist paradise. Sound familiar??

A U.S. Congressman, along with an NBC film crew, went down there to investigate human rights violations after many complaints stateside. After a few days of Q&A things went south pretty quick. A long story short, Jim Jones wanted his people to commit "revolutionary suicide". Translation = He knew he was about to be exposed and his twisted paradise was going to be forced out of business. About 900 people, some voluntary-some involuntary, drank grape kool-aid that was spiked with cyanide, valium, and chloral hydrate. Everybody died, including close to 300 children. Jim Jones enforcers killed Congressman Ryan and most of his party as they were boarding the plane to leave. Ironically, Jones didn't drink the grape goodness himself. He put a bullet in his head instead. Some people believe that it wasn't by his own doing, but that's just a theory.

There are variations to the meaning of don't drink the kool-aid. I interpret it is having a spine, standing on your own two feet, and thinking for yourself. Don't let someone charm you into something that at the end of the day is really not ethical or in anyone's best interest.

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BILL MOYERS: You're saying that the removal of the fairness doctrine and the concentration of power in a handful of major media companies have led to a one-side political discourse?

LOUISE SLAUGHTER: Oh, I believe it. Absolutely.

BILL MOYERS: You're saying that your fairness doctrine would simply mean that if a radio station or television station offers one position, like Rush Limbaugh, on a bill or a campaign of President or an election, they should also have people who disagree with Rush Limbaugh?

LOUISE SLAUGHTER: Absolutely. They should not be putting their own bias and their own feelings out on their radio station because they think they own it. It has to be done as a public trust and in the public interest.

BILL MOYERS: But the first amendment guarantees the right of free press.

LOUISE SLAUGHTER: If they owned the airwaves, then I'd probably have no complaint. But they don't. It belongs to us. Part of our democracy. It's part of the ability that we have to contact our citizens. It's a way that we want our children to grow up with some understanding of what this country is about and what it's based on and what their choices are.




Does anyone agree with any of these statements? Does the abundance of conservative talk radio reflect more of a desire to promote media companies than the market demand of consumers? Should the airways be considered a public trust? If they are a public trust then can they be run on the principles of supply and demand?

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That is the most scary conversation I've heard on the subject yet.

Removing political dissent is the first step in gaining absolute power. Ask any dictator.

The media showed NO support whatsoever for Bush. No one was saying the media should be disallowed from doing that. But now that Obama and the Democrat-controlled Congress is going to get some heat, they're trying to take away the flame? Bullshit.

Completely un-American.
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...hypocrisy of idiots...anti-American...Obama... when he hasn't even done anything as President... the ultimate hypocrite.

Reading between the lines, you are 100% right.

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Does anyone agree with any of these statements? Does the abundance of conservative talk radio reflect more of a desire to promote media companies than the market demand of consumers? Should the airways be considered a public trust? If they are a public trust then can they be run on the principles of supply and demand?

If I don't like listening or watching something, I exercise my right to change the channel. No one is holding a gun to my head to listen to AM radio shows. Much like no one was holding a gun to obama's head for attending rev. wright's church for 20 years. It's easy to change a channel...I practice it a lot when I flip over to MSNBC.

I'm thinking Operation: Chaos ruffled a few feathers.

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LOUISE SLAUGHTER: Absolutely. They should not be putting their own bias and their own feelings out on their radio station because they think they own it. It has to be done as a public trust and in the public interest.

BILL MOYERS: But the first amendment guarantees the right of free press.

LOUISE SLAUGHTER: If they owned the airwaves, then I'd probably have no complaint. But they don't. It belongs to us. Part of our democracy. It's part of the ability that we have to contact our citizens. It's a way that we want our children to grow up with some understanding of what this country is about and what it's based on and what their choices are. [/COLOR]
I don't own any trees, does that mean I can't write my opinion on a piece of paper without writing the dissenting opinion also?

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If the working class people who listen to radio wanted to hear Air America, it would have been successful. The fairness doctrine goes against the first amendment.
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I don't own any trees, does that mean I can't write my opinion on a piece of paper without writing the dissenting opinion also?
One step further. I own a billboard but I do not own the light from the sun that reflects off the billboard and travels to people's eyes that see my billboard, does that mean I have to have both sides of any opinion on my billboard?

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Sorry, not hip to the "street" lingo.
The replies are correct. It now refers to the sheeple who take whatever the leader says and obeys, even if it means drinking koolaid laced with poison that would kill them. It defines gpamp perfectly. I am surprised his green shirt didn't have koolaid stains on it when his picture was posted, but a fat guy like him probably doesn't spill much when it comes near his mouth, so that may explain it.

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Reading between the lines, you are 100% right.
Very nice!

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One step further. I own a billboard but I do not own the light from the sun that reflects off the billboard and travels to people's eyes that see my billboard, does that mean I have to have both sides of any opinion on my billboard?

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If the working class people who listen to radio wanted to hear Air America, it would have been successful. The fairness doctrine goes against the first amendment.
This is true.
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