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I went to a party with my wife, she introduces me to this one guy and as we are shaking hands, he asks me who I voted for. I said McCain. Stunned, he replies, are you serious,.... McCain....why. I said, I like guns. He replies me too. I go on with how I didn't agree with his socialistic views. Offended, he asks me if I seriously believed that. I tell him that is what I read, if its not true then what are his views. He had no answer.

Then he throws the old race card out there....you didn't vote for him because he's black. I said no, I don't agree with his views and that I had done several of the online tests to see which candidates fits me best and McCain won...always. I also said I don't agree with taxing the rich to give to the poor.

So I ask him why he voted. He replied that he was so smooth and just the way he carries himself. He went on with how he was an eloquent talker. Then he says he can feel the change...and could I not feel it. I said no. At this time, he was getting pissed. He again asks if I could feel this feeling. I said no. I then tell him, I hope he does a good job and proves me wrong. He then starting rambling about being from the ghetto in NY and blah, blah.

I finally ask him if he voted for him because he is black. He then proceeds to call me a racists and walks off. He never did have a political reason for voting.

What I was dealing with was the avg. Obama supporter. They don't know why the hell they like him, other than he's black. It really pissed me off this guy pulled this. He was looking for confrontation....and I wasn;t about to back down. If we would have been on the street, he would have started swinging, he was that worked up.
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You would think the Obama supporters would have been able to come up with a few answers since most should have been asked these questions before. I guess Idiocracy is not so far off.

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any of you guys seen them wearing Obama shirts yet? Whats even funnier is theyre wearing bootleg Obama shirts they bought on the corner out of a van or on harry hines. Theyre crappy sreen printed on white shirts. It's fantastic.
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So...within a coupe minutes of meeting this guy for the very first time, he's labeled you a racist based on your sound reasons for voting for McCain? Sheesh...
He's probably looking forward to getting some of the welfare handouts.
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are you sure you weren't speaking to gpamp?
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Lots of "white guilt" votes this time. Most whites haven't had anything to feel guilt about regarding racism since the sixties.

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Out of all the people I've spoken to about why they voted for Obama, not ONE has been able to give me sound justification. It's all about how he's so eloquent and they're ready for change. When asked about which policies they agree with over McCain's, I get blank stares.
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Lots of "white guilt" votes this time. Most whites haven't had anything to feel guilt about regarding racism since the sixties.
It's funny...my family (both sides) didn't come over here until 1870's (Germany) and 1902 (Italy). Came through Galveston, and settled in central Texas. No money and obviously no slaves. Where should I feel guilt? I don't, but I'm just asking why my family owes anyone anything? I'm certain there are tons of families that weren't here until after slavery, so where is the guilt? It still wouldn't explain voting for Barry, because he's not African-American (no slave blood).

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It's funny...my family (both sides) didn't come over here until 1870's (Germany) and 1902 (Italy). Came through Galveston, and settled in central Texas. No money and obviously no slaves. Where should I feel guilt? I don't, but I'm just asking why my family owes anyone anything? I'm certain there are tons of families that weren't here until after slavery, so where is the guilt? It still wouldn't explain voting for Barry, because he's not African-American (no slave blood).

I've been thinking the same thing myself for the past few weeks(family wasn't here until the 1900's)
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You guys are going about this all wrong. You need to do what Sal from Howard Stern did. When you run into an Obama idiot, don't ask them which policies they agree with.

Ask them if they agree with Obama's policy of staying in Iraq until the job is finished. They'll say yes.

Ask them if they agree with Obama wanting to overturn Roe V Wade. They'll say yes.

You could probably even make shit up and ask them if they agree with Obama abolishing the IRS. They wont have a damn clue.

Then you can tell them what they just agreed to and walk away laughing. They will stand there looking like the dumb ass they are...

We need to come up with a list of questions. It would be great fun.
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You guys are going about this all wrong. You need to do what Sal from Howard Stern did. When you run into an Obama idiot, don't ask them which policies they agree with.

Ask them if they agree with Obama's policy of staying in Iraq until the job is finished. They'll say yes.

Ask them if they agree with Obama wanting to overturn Roe V Wade. They'll say yes.

You could probably even make shit up and ask them if they agree with Obama abolishing the IRS. They wont have a damn clue.

Then you can tell them what they just agreed to and walk away laughing. They will stand there looking like the dumb ass they are...

We need to come up with a list of questions. It would be great fun.
It would be funny, if it wasn't so fucking tragic. I just found out that a couple we've known forever both voted for Barry just because they thought things couldn't get any worse. I told them to hide in the corner and watch...

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You guys are going about this all wrong. You need to do what Sal from Howard Stern did.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCcHzUmVP5c

And the one guy that was for McCain had it bacwards too. Liked McCain wanting to come out of Iraq and his VP running mate...Joe Biden. Lord help us....

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LOL I wasn't going to post this, but one of my ex girlfriends(with a 4 year college degree!) asked me who I voted for the other day. I told her McCain. She said "REALLY??" I said "yeah", and she said she "He's so creepy-looking and his teeth are yellow!" I swear to god! I just lol'd and said we're doomed.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCcHzUmVP5c

And the one guy that was for McCain had it bacwards too. Liked McCain wanting to come out of Iraq and his VP running mate...Joe Biden. Lord help us....
yeah, I know there are idiots on both sides but its more fun with them because of the emotion involved in supporting their messiah... that shit is creepy...
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Weird.

I met a McCain supporter the other day that said "I can't believe a n----er's in office."

So, I guess by your logic...

What I was dealing with was the avg. McCain supporter. They don't know why the hell they like him, other than he was all their party could come up with and their party told them to vote for him, even if they didn't like him. It really pissed me off this guy pulled this. He was looking for confrontation....and I wasn't about to back down. If we would have been on the street, he would have started swinging, he was that worked up.
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I think every citizen should have to take a fundamentals of citizenship test before being allowed to vote.

Or go before a board of logical citizens who can determine whether you a smart enough to have the right to vote.

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I think every citizen should have to take a fundamentals of citizenship test before being allowed to vote.

Or go before a board of logical citizens who can determine whether you a smart enough to have the right to vote.

Idiot = No Vote!
go back to the way the founding fathers set it up... only land owners are allowed to vote...
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Too bad McCain's not black.
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go back to the way the founding fathers set it up... only land owners are allowed to vote...
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LOL I wasn't going to post this, but one of my ex girlfriends(with a 4 year college degree!) asked me who I voted for the other day. I told her McCain. She said "REALLY??" I said "yeah", and she said she "He's so creepy-looking and his teeth are yellow!" I swear to god! I just lol'd and said we're doomed.
Glad you were able to laugh. I would have had a few choice words for her.

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it was not a problem to bring money to his house at 10pm.so why is it a problem to call and bitch.it wasnt a problem when we were all sitting around smoking pot together.yes i said it we all were smoking pot together.what now stupid.
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go back to the way the founding fathers set it up... only land owners are allowed to vote...
Wouldn't ever work. New York would be a red state over night.

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I've had a similar experience. If you admit you voted for McCain people react as if it were a sin. Now when asked, I just tell them you won't like my answer and to just move on.

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it was not a problem to bring money to his house at 10pm.so why is it a problem to call and bitch.it wasnt a problem when we were all sitting around smoking pot together.yes i said it we all were smoking pot together.what now stupid.
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It's funny...my family (both sides) didn't come over here until 1870's (Germany) and 1902 (Italy). Came through Galveston, and settled in central Texas. No money and obviously no slaves. Where should I feel guilt? I don't, but I'm just asking why my family owes anyone anything? I'm certain there are tons of families that weren't here until after slavery, so where is the guilt? It still wouldn't explain voting for Barry, because he's not African-American (no slave blood).
My ancestors worked under British rule as serfs and later as indentured servants in America, where the hell is my handout?

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My ancestors worked under British rule as serfs and later as indentured servants in America, where the hell is my handout?
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im sure you have all seen this but ive gone through what you just did about 50 times since the 4th. I think the black people are more racist then white people now lol.
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I think the black people are more racist then white people now lol.
Hell, I got introduced to that fact when I was in the Army. Like everything else there are plenty of exceptions. The suck part is white people can't claim racism.

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Wouldn't ever work. New York would be a red state over night.
I wonder how many others would instantly turn red...
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go back to the way the founding fathers set it up... only land owners are allowed to vote...
That would solve MANY problems since people would not be able to vote themselves money.
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go back to the way the founding fathers set it up... only land owners are allowed to vote...
Can you elaborate on this, not really familiar. I'm guessing back in the day most people own land.

What is the definition of "land owner?" No mortgage? (cause the bank owns it still) Would .23 acres or whatever count? If peeps in housing developments could no longer vote, that would take quite a few out of the mix.

I still don't see the real downside to counting real votes and using those as opposed to the whole electoral votes thing. Of course, I try to refrain from pretending I really know wtf is going on with politics.

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I still don't see the real downside to counting real votes and using those as opposed to the whole electoral votes thing. Of course, I try to refrain from pretending I really know wtf is going on with politics.

Brainwashed and overpopulated areas like San Francisco, New York and Boston could decide the election on their own if we relied solely on the popular vote.

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Can you elaborate on this, not really familiar. I'm guessing back in the day most people own land.
You have to think in the context of colonial days, not modern day Conventional Mortgages and ARM's and such.

During colonial times, the right to vote (also known as being enfranchised) was severely limited. Mostly, adult white males who owned property were the only people with the right to vote. Women could not vote, though some progressive colonies allowed widows who owned property to vote.

After the United States gained its independence from Great Britain, the Constitution gave the states the right to decide who could vote. Individually, the states began to abolish property requirements and, by 1830, adult white males could vote. Suffrage (the right to vote) has been gradually extended to include many people, and the U.S. Constitution has been amended several times for this purpose. A time line of major developments in U.S. voting rights contains at least the following seventeen events:

1789: The first presidential election is held, electing George Washington by unanimous vote of the country's "electors," a group of mostly white male landowners.
1868: The Fourteenth Amendment declares that any eligible twenty-one year old male has the right to vote.
1870: The Fifteenth Amendment says that the right to vote cannot be denied "on account of race, color, or previous condition of servitude," thus extending the right to vote to former (male) slaves.
1876: Wyoming becomes a state, and is the first state to give voting rights to women.
1884: The U.S. Supreme Court rules "grand- father clauses" unconstitutional.
1890: Southern states pass laws designed to limit the voting rights of African Americans. Some of the laws require voters to pay a poll tax or to prove that they can read and write.
1920: The U.S. Supreme Court rules that since Native Americans who live on reservations pay no state taxes, they cannot vote.
1920: Women gain the right to vote when the Nineteenth Amendment declares that the right to vote cannot be denied "on account of sex."
1947: A court ruling grants Native Americans the right to vote in every state.
1961: The Twenty-third Amendment establishes that the citizens of the District of Columbia have the right to vote in presidential elections. D.C. is given 3 electoral votes.
1964: The Twenty-fourth Amendment declares that the states cannot require citizens to pay a poll tax in order to vote in federal elections.
1965: Voting Rights Act bans literacy tests as a voting requirement and bars all racist voting practices in all states.
1971: The Twenty-Sixth Amendment lowers the voting age to 18 and gives all Americans the right to vote.
1975: Additions to the Voting Rights Act require translations of all election materials to be made available for non-English speaking citizens.

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I met a McCain supporter the other day.

They said "I hate that we voted a black guy into office."

That's the sentiment of all Republicans.


(there is no logic to this thread, is what I'm getting at.)
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I met a McCain supporter the other day.

They said "I hate that we voted a black guy into office."

That's the sentiment of all Republicans.


(there is no logic to this thread, is what I'm getting at.)
A part of me feels that you actually believe that non-sense. I think you've seen the real reasons why we supported McCain and felt unsure about Obama. It had nothing to do with race.

And you do realize that many blacks voted on the basis of race. That Howard Stern show segment was one such example. Calling people at random and switch the policies of each candidate, and they still supported Obama. Kind of clears up any lingering doubts about the true motivations of certain voters.

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(there is no logic to this thread, is what I'm getting at.)
I had a long post all typed up but you know, I'm really tired of all this bs.

The point is, Obama supporters think that unless you voted for their guy, you must be ignorant, uneducated, racist, a NEOCON and rich...

I didnt vote for Obama because I dont like his ideas and positions. Including but not limited to spreading the wealth and government run health care.

And for the record, McCain has ideas and positions that I dont like either. Including but not limited to immigration and abortion.

Why the hell is it so hard for Obama supporters to understand that people voted because of issues?
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Why the hell is it so hard for Obama supporters to understand that people voted because of issues?
Because they did not take enough time to understand the issues nor know the issues (this is in response to those that automatically believe you are racist by voting for McCain).

I am in no way saying ALL Obama supporters are like that but the majority of those I work with and have run into fall into this category. I would say it's at least a 80% split.
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Because they did not take enough time to understand the issues nor know the issues (this is in response to those that automatically believe you are racist by voting for McCain).

I am in no way saying ALL Obama supporters are like that but the majority of those I work with and have run into fall into this category. I would say it's at least a 80% split.
I left that last paragraph out but you are absolutley correct. I know people that are working poor, living paycheck to paycheck. I understand their motivation in voting for Obama. Some of them understand mine, some them refuse to...
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I met a McCain supporter the other day.

They said "I hate that we voted a black guy into office."

That's the sentiment of all Republicans.


(there is no logic to this thread, is what I'm getting at.)
It is really sad that you believe this fat leprechaun boy.

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It is really sad that you believe this fat leprechaun boy.
Look Diddle, if you can't understand parody, sarcasm, and satire... your understanding is lessened.
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Look Diddle, if you can't understand parody, sarcasm, and satire... your understanding is lessened.
Didn't look like sarcasm, just your normal bullshit.

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Didn't look like sarcasm, just your normal bullshit.

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All I did was summarize the original thread post.

It's ridiculous. ANYBODY can make up ANYTHING.

"Today, I met a Conservative who was currently in a relationship with a sheep. What I was dealing with was the avg. Conservative."

Then you guys all say "yeah!" And that would be the summary of this thread. Again.
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All I did was summarize the original thread post.

It's ridiculous. ANYBODY can make up ANYTHING.

"Today, I met a Conservative who was currently in a relationship with a sheep. What I was dealing with was the avg. Conservative."

Then you guys all say "yeah!" And that would be the summary of this thread. Again.
I think the problem with your bullshit logic in our eyes is that we can all relate to what the OP is talking about, and have extremely similar stories of our own regarding the Obaminions.

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All I did was summarize the original thread post.
Please go somewhere and kill yourself. Seriously. Go find a house fire, and play in it.

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I based my thoughts/opinions off of multiple Obama supporters and what seems to be the overwhelming majority of the people that voted for him. When questioned, the masses seem to only be able respond with "Change" and "Yes We Can".
I know there are a few people that have read his plans on new policy and believe it will work. They have been the minority of the people that I have been face to face with or conversed with online over the past several months. And the people who believe in his policy, not his catchphrases, have certainly been in the minority of what gets displayed online(youtube) or in conventional media.
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Look Diddle, if you can't understand parody, sarcasm, and satire... your understanding is lessened.
How ironic it is that you would accuse me of not understanding something leprechaun fat boy.

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How ironic it is that you would accuse me of not understanding something leprechaun fat boy.
Didn't accuse you. It was more pointing out the obvious (your incredible lack of understanding).
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Didn't accuse you. It was more pointing out the obvious (your incredible lack of understanding).

The fat leprechaun continues with the irony. You claim to see it in others yet deny it when others see it in you.

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