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How much voter fraud will...

you Obama supporters say is too much?

I say 1 fraudulent vote is too much regardless of who gets the vote. I just wonder if the numerous allegations of voter fraud by Obama supporting groups have caused Obama supporters as much concern as us McCain supporters.

I also wonder if the judge in Ohio who ruled that a homeless person has caused Obama supporters concern. I saw a story where a woman who voted for Obama in New York (her current state of residency) was caught registered in Ohio and gave a homeless shelter address and has already voted, even though she has a residence in New York and was just volunteering in Ohio to rally votes for Obama.

Why are so many pro-Obama groups and individuals committing so much fraud? Is it possible that all these people who have been registered 10-15 times under flase names have already voted in early voting and cause a close race to be won by Obama with fraud?

Has there been any conservative groups at the national level that have been caught with all this fraud that support McCain?

What happens if the investigations discover that there was enough fraud in a few states to cause Obama to have lost but only after he is declared the winner?

I find it funny that the people who want change are supporting fraud, corruption, and cheating. Is that the change Obama will give us?

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The degree of voter fraud thus far has been staggering. ACORN offices in Las Vegas were raided the other day. They are being investigated. Dallas County has cases of voter fraud as well as most large urban cities across the nation.

These scumbags are going to do anything that can to get Barry into office. There are some dangerous people behind scenes supporting Barry or Democratic nominees in general. And I mean dangerous as in over zealous and willing to break the law to further their cause. Really makes you wonder what's going in this country. Almost makes it feel like a bizarre coup of some sort.

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The degree of voter fraud thus far has been staggering. ACORN offices in Las Vegas were raided the other day. They are being investigated. Dallas County has cases of voter fraud as well as most large urban cities across the nation.

These scumbags are going to do anything that can to get Barry into office. There are some dangerous people behind scenes supporting Barry or Democratic nominees in general. And I mean dangerous as in over zealous and willing to break the law to further their cause. Really makes you wonder what's going in this country. Almost makes it feel like a bizarre coup of some sort.
Excellent post coming from another recovering liberal like myself.

That last sentence is the most spot on I have seen in here in awhile.

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The degree of voter fraud thus far has been staggering. ACORN offices in Las Vegas were raided the other day. They are being investigated. Dallas County has cases of voter fraud as well as most large urban cities across the nation.

These scumbags are going to do anything that can to get Barry into office. There are some dangerous people behind scenes supporting Barry or Democratic nominees in general. And I mean dangerous as in over zealous and willing to break the law to further their cause. Really makes you wonder what's going in this country. Almost makes it feel like a bizarre coup of some sort.
So your saying control of the country will shift from Corporate America to ACORN?
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So your saying control of the country will shift from Corporate America to ACORN?
Are you going to answer any of the questions posed in the original post?

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So your saying control of the country will shift from Corporate America to ACORN?
I see nothing in his posts in this thread that even hints this.

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Are you going to answer any of the questions posed in the original post?
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We'll find out in a couple of days.
This means no, he won't be answering any of the questions.

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I see nothing in his posts in this thread that even hints this.

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The politics of the USA has been controlled by Corporate America for years. MM2000 indicates ACORN will do anything to get Obama in office, so if they succeed, power has shifted.
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So your saying control of the country will shift from Corporate America to ACORN?
Corporate America? I was talking about ACORN and voter fraud.

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We'll find out in a couple of days.
There are questions that can be answered before the election. Why not come out and say what you think?

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This means no, he won't be answering any of the questions.

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The politics of the USA has been controlled by Corporate America for years. MM2000 indicates ACORN will do anything to get Obama in office, so if they succeed, power has shifted.
Yes, I know what you are trying to say, and which words you are trying to put in his mouth. I am just stating that it is obvious to me that he didn't say what you are implying he said.

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You haven't answered any questions in this post either.
Reading comprehension is not your strongest point, huh? Considering the first post is directed at...

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... Obama supporters ...

...Obama supporters .....

...Obama supporters ....
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You haven't answered any questions in this post either.
OK, I am against voter fraud on anyone's behalf. Texas Politics has quite a history of voter fraud, Even Anne Richards said Texas was a state where anyone could vote, even the dead.

But at Presidential level this could be disasterious. No one has been convicted of voter fraud (that I've heard),so the election will go on as "normal". But if the results are held up due to allegations of fraud, it will make the 2000 election snafu look like a tea party.
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The politics of the USA has been controlled by Corporate America for years. MM2000 indicates ACORN will do anything to get Obama in office, so if they succeed, power has shifted.
George Soros and all the other mega millionaire liberals are throwing tons of money at these groups. It's not like they don't have liberal corporate America supporting them so why try and make some major distinction?

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Reading comprehension is not your strongest point, huh? Considering the first post is directed at...



...it is not directed to me, just people like you.

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What is "a person like me"? Why is this post directed at me and not you.
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What is "a person like me"? Why is this post directed at me and not you.
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*ahem* I'm not an Obama supporter, so again why is this post supposedly aimed at me? Before you make assumptions, check some post history. I supported Ron Paul, even Paladin will verify that.

I defy you to find a post where I EVER supported Obama.
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*ahem* I'm not an Obama supporter, so again why is this post supposedly aimed at me? Before you make assumptions, check some post history. I supported Ron Paul, even Paladin will verify that.

I defy you to find a post where I EVER supported Obama.
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The issues facing our country and the major differences between the only two viable choices make the votes for thir party or people like RP who have no chance of being elected a no-brainer. Make your vote count.

It just bugs me that someone calls themselves a conservative, like most RP voters supposedly are, and they will sit out or vote for RP when that equates to a vote for Obama. I still haven't had one of the explain how they can live with that fact.

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Since McCain won the Republican primary, Ron Paul won't even be on the ballot.

If I dredge up posts from 12-18 months ago when you & Paladin said McCain was a RINO, or closet Democrat and the worst possible candidate of the Republican side....would that make you an Obama supporter?
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Since McCain won the Republican primary, Ron Paul won't even be on the ballot.
So, from your statement, I assume you have, or will be voting for McCain? Or, are you a closet Obama supporter? Writing in your hero Ron Paul? Another nut job that has decided to not vote because he cannot vote for a candidate that matches exactly to his ideals?

Just curious as to why you are extremely critical of McCain, are an Obama apologist and defender, and yet still say you are neither.

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So, from your statement, I assume you have, or will be voting for McCain? Or, are you a closet Obama supporter? Writing in your hero Ron Paul? Another nut job that has decided to not vote because he cannot vote for a candidate that matches exactly to his ideals?

Just curious as to why you are extremely critical of McCain, are an Obama apologist and defender, and yet still say you are neither.

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Please quote where I've criticized McCain. You've drawing conclusions out of thin air
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Since McCain won the Republican primary, Ron Paul won't even be on the ballot.

If I dredge up posts from 12-18 months ago when you & Paladin said McCain was a RINO, or closet Democrat and the worst possible candidate of the Republican side....would that make you an Obama supporter?
For all of McCain's short-comings, he's a damn-sight beter than Barry, that's why.

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Please quote where I've criticized McCain. You've drawing conclusions out of thin air
Answer my question and I'll spend my time to quote where you have been critical of McCain.

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Since McCain won the Republican primary, Ron Paul won't even be on the ballot.

If I dredge up posts from 12-18 months ago when you & Paladin said McCain was a RINO, or closet Democrat and the worst possible candidate of the Republican side....would that make you an Obama supporter?
Why do you and gpamp keep focusing in on me thinking McCain is a RINO? Hell, he is a RINO, but like we have said many times, he is far better than Obama or anything the Dems threw out.

Who are you going to vote for? If you answer McCain it will take the wind out of our argument. If you say you are not voting, are voting for a thrid party candidate or you are going to write in RP then you are voting for Obama in reality.

I just wonder why so many RP supporters are claiming to be conservative but are so willing to vote intentionally or unintentionally for Obama. Do you know?

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For all of McCain's short-comings, he's a damn-sight beter than Barry, that's why.
Why is it so hard for gpamp, WT, and the others to understand this? McCain is by far the best choice of the two viable candidates we have. I wanted Thompson but he isn't running. Should I be like the whiny ass RP supporters and give up and not vote which would actually help Obama? I refuse to do that, even if my vote for Mccain is solely to keep Obama's ass out of the WH.

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Why do you and gpamp keep focusing in on me thinking McCain is a RINO? Hell, he is a RINO, but like we have said many times, he is far better than Obama or anything the Dems threw out.

Who are you going to vote for? If you answer McCain it will take the wind out of our argument. If you say you are not voting, are voting for a thrid party candidate or you are going to write in RP then you are voting for Obama in reality.

I just wonder why so many RP supporters are claiming to be conservative but are so willing to vote intentionally or unintentionally for Obama. Do you know?
I've already voted, and I voted for McCain. But I was not enthusiastic about it. As a old school conservative I can't really warm up to McCain, and as you know I never cared for Bush either. Bush & McCain may carry the Republican label, but they are not conservatives. But I don't subscribe to your idea that a vote for any alternate candidate is a vote for Obama.

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I've already voted, and I voted for McCain. But I was not enthusiastic about it. As a old school conservative I can't really warm up to McCain, and as you know I never cared for Bush either. Bush & McCain may carry the Republican label, but they are not conservatives. But I don't subscribe to your idea that a vote for any alternate candidate is a vote for Obama.

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It's no different than a "yellow-dog" democrat. Democrats would vote for a yellow dog, before voting for a Republican...
I've met a few "yellow dog" Republicans before, there are many on this board. I've never voted a straight ticket in my life.
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Then what would you call it? A "statement" vote? That's all it could possibly be this time around.
Yes, a statement that our 2 party system is broken.
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I have voted straight ticket a few times, but only when I was really pissed.

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Being critical of someone is being against them now? I have yet to see a perfect politician that was unworthy of some sort of dismantlement.
Where did I say that? I was inquiring as to why he is (most of the time, passive aggressively) critical of McCain (and those that support McCain) and regularly defends/is apologetic of Obama (and those that support Obama).

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Texas Politics has quite a history of voter fraud, Even Anne Richards said Texas was a state where anyone could vote, even the dead.
Haven't heard of her or anyone else say that before. I have heard on the other hand, a qoute from Jack Valenti. He said, "When I die, bury me anywhere except Texas, I want to stay in politics." lol

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I've already voted, and I voted for McCain. But I was not enthusiastic about it. As a old school conservative I can't really warm up to McCain, and as you know I never cared for Bush either. Bush & McCain may carry the Republican label, but they are not conservatives. But I don't subscribe to your idea that a vote for any alternate candidate is a vote for Obama.

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I was really hoping to hear from one of the die hard liberal secular progressive ACORN supporting Obama voting types in here. I guess they can post in other threads but missed this one for some reason.

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If you like the IRS, DMV and the Post Office, you will love Obamacare!

“An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life.”
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I have to agree with a quote from former Treasury Secretary William E. Simon: "Bad politicians are sent to Washington by good people who don't vote."
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post #44 of 51 (permalink) Old 11-02-2008, 05:22 PM
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As long as you voted for McCain you can disagree with me all you want in theory. I can take the heat.
I had a feeling you would say something like that
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post #45 of 51 (permalink) Old 11-02-2008, 11:57 PM
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Since McCain won the Republican primary, Ron Paul won't even be on the ballot.
Bob Barr will be though.

America will get the government it deserves in the end.

“The people that once bestowed commands, consulships, legions, and all else, now concerns itself no more, and longs eagerly for just two things - bread and circuses!” -Juvenal

"A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government, it can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship. The average age for the world's greatest civilizations has been 200 years. These nations have progressed through this sequence: From bondage to spiritual faith; From spiritual faith to great courage; From courage to liberty; From liberty to abundance; From abundance to selfishness; From selfishness to apathy; From apathy to dependence; From dependence back into bondage."
-Unknown, but generrally attributed to AF Tytler
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post #46 of 51 (permalink) Old 11-03-2008, 07:00 AM
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America will get the government it deserves in the end.

“The people that once bestowed commands, consulships, legions, and all else, now concerns itself no more, and longs eagerly for just two things - bread and circuses!” -Juvenal

"A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government, it can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship. The average age for the world's greatest civilizations has been 200 years. These nations have progressed through this sequence: From bondage to spiritual faith; From spiritual faith to great courage; From courage to liberty; From liberty to abundance; From abundance to selfishness; From selfishness to apathy; From apathy to dependence; From dependence back into bondage."
-Unknown, but generrally attributed to AF Tytler
I've never heard the latter quote but it sounds about right.

Good post.





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post #47 of 51 (permalink) Old 11-03-2008, 07:44 AM
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I just wonder why so many RP supporters are claiming to be conservative but are so willing to vote intentionally or unintentionally for Obama. Do you know?
McCain is a conservative like Dubya is a conservative. Stop defending conservatives while bashing the only conservative to run this time. It makes you look more foolish than normal. Kissing a so-called conservative's ass does not make you conservative or patriotic. It makes you just the opposite.

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post #48 of 51 (permalink) Old 11-03-2008, 07:49 AM Thread Starter
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McCain is a conservative like Dubya is a conservative. Stop defending conservatives while bashing the only conservative to run this time. It makes you look more foolish than normal. Kissing a so-called conservative's ass does not make you conservative or patriotic. It makes you just the opposite.
I never claimed McCain was a conservative. You are following gpamp again dude going there. I know he is a RINO, but he is way better than Obama.

Are you still sitting this one out? If so, why are you commenting on an election you have decided to not participate in?

So do you have a reason why so many RP supporters have apparently decided to go for Obama? I mean a true conservative, like you RP nuthuggers claim to be, would be appalled to have Obama in the WH. The intense desire to prevent a hard core extreme left President should stop you idiots from not voting or from voting for someone who has no chance, which is in fact a vote for Obama.

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If you like the IRS, DMV and the Post Office, you will love Obamacare!

“An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life.”
Robert A. Heinlein

I have to agree with a quote from former Treasury Secretary William E. Simon: "Bad politicians are sent to Washington by good people who don't vote."
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post #49 of 51 (permalink) Old 11-03-2008, 08:11 AM
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Are you still sitting this one out? If so, why are you commenting on an election you have decided to not participate in?

So do you have a reason why so many RP supporters have apparently decided to go for Obama?
Yep. Cause I want to.
Nope. Do you have proof that they "apparently" have?

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post #50 of 51 (permalink) Old 11-03-2008, 08:32 AM Thread Starter
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Yep. Cause I want to.
Nope. Do you have proof that they "apparently" have?
Why should I respond to you about politics since you have decided not to vote?

I have seen alot of RP supporters on here say they will not vote or will vote for RP no matter that he isn't on the ballot. Isn't that a vote for Obama in both cases? How can a true conservative like you RP idiots claim to be, support Obama by not voting against him? He is the exact opposite of RP, correct?

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If you like the IRS, DMV and the Post Office, you will love Obamacare!

“An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life.”
Robert A. Heinlein

I have to agree with a quote from former Treasury Secretary William E. Simon: "Bad politicians are sent to Washington by good people who don't vote."
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