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Obama's redistribution of wealth

I saw this on another forum. I thought it was brilliant. It made me laugh.

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Yesterday on my way to lunch at the Dixie House, I passed one of the homeless guys in that area. He had a sign that read " Vote Obama, I need the money."

In the restaurant my waiter was wearing an "Obama 08" tee shirt. When the bill came, I decided not to tip the waiter and explained to him while he had given me exceptional service, his tee shirt made me feel he obviously believes in Senator Obama's plan to redistribute the wealth. I told him I was going to redistribute his tip to someone that I deemed more in need; the homeless guy outside. He stood there in disbelief for a moment, then angrily stormed away.

I went outside, gave the homeless guy $3 and told him to thank the waiter inside, as I had decided he could use the money more. The homeless guy looked at me in disbelief but seemed grateful.

As I got in my truck, I realized this rather unscientific redistribution experiment had left the homeless guy quite happy for the money he did not earn, but the waiter was pretty angry that I gave away the money he did earn. Well, I guess this redistribution of wealth idea is going to take a while to catch on with those actually doing the work.

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That's awesome. Hope it's true...
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haha....bringing Obamas brilliance to work already!

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repost? really?

I loved Rush's push for Obama to share some of the $600 million he'd raised with McCain & others. The obviously need it more than he does.

"Government's view of the economy could be summed up in a few short phrases: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it."
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My daughter used a similar experiment in her high school chemistry class she teaches. After a pop quiz had been graded, she took points from the A&B students, and distributed them among the students that got F's to give them all a C average. Of course it was just to make a point, but she said they about shit...

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it was not a problem to bring money to his house at 10pm.so why is it a problem to call and bitch.it wasnt a problem when we were all sitting around smoking pot together.yes i said it we all were smoking pot together.what now stupid.
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That's the 3rd or 4th repost of this.

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Woo hoo! Lets throw out stuff we "hope is true", and saturate Stangs with it!!!

In other news, John McCain force fed an elderly woman a fetus in hopes that she would gain youthfulness... for selfish gain.

Gosh! I hope it's true!!
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Woo hoo! Lets throw out stuff we "hope is true", and saturate Stangs with it!!!

In other news, John McCain force fed an elderly woman a fetus in hopes that she would gain youthfulness... for selfish gain.

Gosh! I hope it's true!!
While the story is obviously fiction, explain how the moral of the story isn't a direct reflection of Obama's tax plan?

Maybe you can listen to his to inspire you while you conjure up a whitty reply...


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While the story is obviously fiction, explain how the moral of the story isn't a direct reflection of Obama's tax plan?

Maybe you can listen to his to inspire you while you conjure up a whitty reply...

Well... taxes will start to not matter if McCain gets ahold of the fountain of youth.

Going into discourse based on obvious propaganda only propagates it. There's no foundation of which to build a valid arguement.
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Woo hoo! Lets throw out stuff we "hope is true", and saturate Stangs with it!!!

In other news, John McCain force fed an elderly woman a fetus in hopes that she would gain youthfulness... for selfish gain.

Gosh! I hope it's true!!
You're taking it too seriously. It's most likely a fabricated story, but it's an allegory.

It's essentially correct in regards to Obama's "spread around the wealth" dogma. It's a poke at socialism.

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it was not a problem to bring money to his house at 10pm.so why is it a problem to call and bitch.it wasnt a problem when we were all sitting around smoking pot together.yes i said it we all were smoking pot together.what now stupid.
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Well... taxes will start to not matter if McCain gets ahold of the fountain of youth.

Going into discourse based on obvious propaganda only propagates it. There's no foundation of which to build a valid arguement.

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Going into discourse based on obvious propaganda only propagates it. There's no foundation of which to build a valid arguement.

So even though your savior has stated that he wants to redistribute the wealth, you are saying that his words are not true and as such can't be argued? Because, just in case you missed it which I don't doubt in the least, that IS the topic of discussion at this point.


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I saw a similar story but instead of the bum getting the tip, the guy gave it to the ceo of the restaurant chain.
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So even though your savior has stated that he wants to redistribute the wealth, you are saying that his words are not true and as such can't be argued? Because, just in case you missed it which I don't doubt in the least, that IS the topic of discussion at this point.


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Seems to me a simpleton would buy into a soundbite of 10 words from a 6 min. long answer. I'm sure you'll do fine under the Obama adminstration. Don't worry.
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I saw a similar story but instead of the bum getting the tip, the guy gave it to the ceo of the restaurant chain.

Why would he give it to the CEO?

Under McCain's plan NO ONE is getting their taxes raised.

The correct McCain scenario:

Waiter got his $3, CEO's taxes were not increased. This allowed for the CEO to spend a little extra this year and give that waiter a better raise. This floods over to the community and the business picks up. The CEO, because his taxes were not increased, is able to hire more staff allowing the waiter to have that extra day off a week, he is actually able to offer a health plan because of his tax break for providing PRIVATE insurance for his employees, all this because the waiter knew better then to accept that one time $700 check from Obama and vote for McCain...

At the same time the bum continues to stand outside broke because he chose his fate in life, wearing the Obama shirt that the waiter threw away because he woke up and did not buy into the Ronco President....
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Why would he give it to the CEO?

Under McCain's plan NO ONE is getting their taxes raised.

The correct McCain scenario:

Waiter got his $3, CEO's taxes were not increased. This allowed for the CEO to spend a little extra this year and give that waiter a better raise. This floods over to the community and the business picks up. The CEO, because his taxes were not increased, is able to hire more staff allowing the waiter to have that extra day off a week, he is actually able to offer a health plan because of his tax break for providing PRIVATE insurance for his employees, all this because the waiter knew better then to accept that one time $700 check from Obama and vote for McCain...

At the same time the bum continues to stand outside broke because he chose his fate in life, wearing the Obama shirt that the waiter threw away because he woke up and did not buy into the Ronco President....
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Why would he give it to the CEO?

Under McCain's plan NO ONE is getting their taxes raised.

The correct McCain scenario:

Waiter got his $3, CEO's taxes were not increased. This allowed for the CEO to spend a little extra this year and give that waiter a better raise. This floods over to the community and the business picks up. The CEO, because his taxes were not increased, is able to hire more staff allowing the waiter to have that extra day off a week, he is actually able to offer a health plan because of his tax break for providing PRIVATE insurance for his employees, all this because the waiter knew better then to accept that one time $700 check from Obama and vote for McCain...

At the same time the bum continues to stand outside broke because he chose his fate in life, wearing the Obama shirt that the waiter threw away because he woke up and did not buy into the Ronco President....
You're seriously blinded, if you think it plays out that way.
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You're seriously blinded, if you think it plays out that way.
So, we are all blind? Maybe you can't see because obamas ass cheeks are in your way.

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You're seriously blinded, if you think it plays out that way.

And you wear rose colored fucking glasses....


That is a simple explanation based off a fucking waiter in a restaraunt. It is common sense, and a joke more people can't see it..

I have quite a few friends, business owners, that will be effected by Obama's tax plans if he is elected. I can lay it out from personal experience, not based on what some used car salesman in a paid infomercial was trying to sell me his As Seen On TV product!
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And you wear rose colored fucking glasses....


That is a simple explanation based off a fucking waiter in a restaraunt. It is common sense, and a joke more people can't see it..

I have quite a few friends, business owners, that will be effected by Obama's tax plans if he is elected. I can lay it out from personal experience, not based on what some used car salesman in a paid infomercial was trying to sell me his As Seen On TV product!
All you did was describe the same economic plan that has led us down the road of recession.
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All you did was describe the same economic plan that has led us down the road of recession.
Do you really believe it was the economic plan that has put the economy where it is at?
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All you did was describe the same economic plan that has led us down the road of recession.
Really, I'm going to take a wild guess. You failed Government and Economics class?
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Do you really believe it was the economic plan that has put the economy where it is at?
Why do you even ask this question? Everything he says he believes, unless there is a little disclaimer.

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All you did was describe the same economic plan that has led us down the road of recession.
ROFL. Ok. The housing bubble had nothing to do with it. Just like the tech bubble busting had nothing to do with the 2001 recession. We'll blame that one on Clinton....

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as a small business owner, I really think obamas tax plan saves small business owners more money then it cost them. its a 3% increase on taxable revenue, if your business falls into that higher tax bracket, $250k+. however your personal income tax rate will decrease about 5% if you make less then $200K a year. so even if your business makes more then $250k, and the rate increases 3%, chances are the business owners personal income is less then $200K so he is going to save $10k of his own income. on top of that small business owners get a $5k tax credit for every new employee they hire.


the only small business owners that will be hurt, would be the one man business, with a wide profit margin, low volume.
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as a small business owner, I really think obamas tax plan saves small business owners more money then it cost them. its a 3% increase on taxable revenue, if your business falls into that higher tax bracket, $250k+. however your personal income tax rate will decrease about 5% if you make less then $200K a year. so even if your business makes more then $250k, and the rate increases 3%, chances are the business owners personal income is less then $200K so he is going to save $10k of his own income. on top of that small business owners get a $5k tax credit for every new employee they hire.


the only small business owners that will be hurt, would be the one man business, with a wide profit margin, low volume.

I think your figures are greatly skewed.....
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as a small business owner, I really think obamas tax plan saves small business owners more money then it cost them. its a 3% increase on taxable revenue, if your business falls into that higher tax bracket, $250k+. however your personal income tax rate will decrease about 5% if you make less then $200K a year. so even if your business makes more then $250k, and the rate increases 3%, chances are the business owners personal income is less then $200K so he is going to save $10k of his own income. on top of that small business owners get a $5k tax credit for every new employee they hire.


the only small business owners that will be hurt, would be the one man business, with a wide profit margin, low volume.
So if a business has a revenue of $500k they are taxed $15k. If the owner only makes $125k he was save 5%, which is $6250. Using your math my step-dad will see a rise in taxes of $8750. GO OBAMA!!!!

About that tax credit, do you get to keep the $5k even if they quit? No??? So you want a business to risk hiring someone, and it only payoff if they stay there for a entire year? Best Buy researched that for each person that quits, and they rehire someone they lose $17k in sales, and training.

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as a small business owner, I really think obamas tax plan saves small business owners more money then it cost them. its a 3% increase on taxable revenue, if your business falls into that higher tax bracket, $250k+. however your personal income tax rate will decrease about 5% if you make less then $200K a year. so even if your business makes more then $250k, and the rate increases 3%, chances are the business owners personal income is less then $200K so he is going to save $10k of his own income. on top of that small business owners get a $5k tax credit for every new employee they hire.


the only small business owners that will be hurt, would be the one man business, with a wide profit margin, low volume.
When obama gets done, expect that $250 number to be somewhere closer to $150-200 k

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When obama gets done, expect that $250 number to be somewhere closer to $150-200 k
He made that announcement last night during his informercial... Its now 200k...
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So if a business has a revenue of $500k they are taxed $15k. If the owner only makes $125k he was save 5%, which is $6250. Using your math my step-dad will see a rise in taxes of $8750. GO OBAMA!!!!

About that tax credit, do you get to keep the $5k even if they quit? No??? So you want a business to risk hiring someone, and it only payoff if they stay there for a entire year? Best Buy researched that for each person that quits, and they rehire someone they lose $17k in sales, and training.
as long as you create the job, you will keep the credit, does not matter who works the job.

but your missing the point of the tax plan.... chances are if you have a small business your client has a taxed income under $200k. now through the tax plan your clients will have more cash to spend at your business, increasing your business revenues.
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chances are if you have a small business your client has a taxed income under $200k. now through the tax plan your clients will have more cash to spend at your business, increasing your business revenues.

So you are combining Obama's redistribution with McCain's trickle down?
Which works???
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there is no trickle down, its just the opposite, the tax credits are given to the lower income earners, they can then spend the money
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as long as you create the job, you will keep the credit, does not matter who works the job.

but your missing the point of the tax plan.... chances are if you have a small business your client has a taxed income under $200k. now through the tax plan your clients will have more cash to spend at your business, increasing your business revenues.
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there is no trickle down, its just the opposite, the tax credits are given to the lower income earners, they can then spend the money
Well by Obama's plan he is helping out the poor and middle class, which by his own words are struggling. Well by his tables the average person will get a $500-$1200 check in the mail. These persons who are struggling to make ends meet really going to spend this money at my business?

OR would it be better to not raise taxes on anyone, give almost the equal amount of breaks for the actual middle class that are paying taxes, and for the upper class and small business owners who do actually contribute more to the economy the breaks that allow them to invest, spend, and expand???


Oh an here is an example of a "SMALL BUSINESS"

My best friend owns his own company with his family. Last year they were "struggling" due to the poor economy. They had to cut hours in half, and lay a few people off. Well they, being a "small business", generated $7.9 million last year in revenue. Their clients are not small corporations, exactly the oposite. EDS, Us Foods, Ben E. Keith, Cysco.....
Well under Obama's new plan his already stressed business will have a tax INCREASE of almost $800k
They are not rich, I would guess he made around $300k last year. Which again he would taxed increased on that as well. He has mortgages and bills that must be paid. Revenue is not increasing, bills are. What is going to happen? He is going to be forced to lay people off, cut hours, cut benifits. BUT one thing is good. All his workers got a new system in their car and a new pair of Jordans, and took their old lady to Red Lobster. The Obama tax cut for the middle class is blown in one day, and the economy takes years to recover....
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lets say you own a used car business and last year your business generated $300K in revenue, and your business taxes go up $9k. that sucks right? how ever every person that walks onto your lot has an extra $5k to spend, are you going to sell more cars? YES. is your business going to generate more revenue? YES.
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lets say you own a used car business and last year your business generated $300K in revenue, and your business taxes go up $9k. that sucks right? how ever every person that walks onto your lot has an extra $5k to spend, are you going to sell more cars? YES. is your business going to generate more revenue? YES.

That is the deal. You said that you are a small business owner yourself. I am not sure what you do, but $300k a year gross revenue for a business is not small, it is TINY!
My freakin neighbor the yard man makes twice that....

And again, they will not have $5k extra, they will have a $500 check that they are going to BLOW in an afternoon, or pay bills.....
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first off 98% of small businesses generate less then $250K a year.

who cares if they blow it? thats still good, because they are spending it at a business who's tax rate was increased thus generating more revenue for the business. remember we are a purchased based economy, our economy only grows when people spend their money.

even if people only get $500 that will still help them buy a car, or make a large purchase.
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first off 98% of small businesses generate less then $250K a year.

who cares if they blow it? thats still good, because they are spending it at a business who's tax rate was increased thus generating more revenue for the business. remember we are a purchased based economy, our economy only grows when people spend their money.

even if people only get $500 that will still help them buy a car, or make a large purchase.
Really? $500 is not going to help most people buy a car. I would rather have a more secure job and poss. a raise than a one time check that came from the backs of these companies that i may or may not spend my check at.
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Why was the waiter pissed? Everyone knows waiters don't pay shit for taxes anyways. He should be satisfied with that.
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