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Obama just gets worse and worse every day...

I just wonder how the Obama nut huggers will defend this? It has been reported that the reason the LA Times will not release this tape is because there was some very hate-filled speech about Isreal from people at this party and Obama was there and sat through it. This is just more evidence of his lifetime of poor judgment.

I hope poopnut, gpamp, 1fastdem, and the other Obama supporters weigh in.

McCain faults paper for not releasing Khalidi tape
By BETH FOUHY

Associated Press Writer

BOWLING GREEN, Ohio -- Republicans John McCain and Sarah Palin accused the Los Angeles Times on Wednesday of protecting Barack Obama by withholding a videotape of the Democrat attending a 2003 party for a Palestinian-American professor and critic of Israel.

The paper said it had written about the event in April and would not release the tape because of a promise made to the source who provided it.

McCain and Palin called Rashid Khalidi a former spokesman for the Palestinian Liberation Organization, a characterization that Khalidi has denied in the past. Both candidates said guests at the party made critical comments about Israel.

Khalidi is a professor of Middle East Studies at Columbia University and a longtime friend of Obama's. Khalidi has publicly criticized Israel, but he and Obama have both said they hold very different opinions on Israeli issues.

McCain also has ties to Khalidi through a group that Khalidi helped found 15 years ago. The Center for Palestine Research and Studies received at least $448,000 from an organization that McCain chairs.

On Wednesday, McCain said 1960s radical Bill Ayers had attended the same party in 2003. McCain and Palin have criticized Obama for his ties to Ayers and questioned what the videotape of the party might show.

"Among other things, Israel was described there as the perpetrator of terrorism rather than the victim," Palin said at a rally in Ohio. "What we don't know is how Barack Obama responded to these slurs on a country that he professes to support."

In a story published in April, the Times said Obama spoke out at the event on the need for common ground on the Israel-Palestinian issue. Obama has said during the campaign that his commitment to Israel's security is "nonnegotiable."

"More than six months ago the Los Angeles Times published a detailed account of the events shown on the videotape," Jamie Gold, the newspaper's reader's representative, said in a statement. "The Times is not suppressing anything. Just the opposite - the L.A. Times brought the matter to light."

McCain and Palin cited the paper's position as evidence of media bias. The Times has endorsed Obama's candidacy.

"If there was a tape of John McCain in a neo-Nazi outfit, I think the treatment of the issue would be slightly different," McCain said in an interview with Hispanic radio stations.

Palin said the Times should win a Pulitzer Prize for "kowtowing."

"It must be nice for a candidate to have major news organizations looking out for their best interests like that. Politicians would love to have a pet newspaper of their very own," she said.

Obama campaign spokesman Tommy Vietor dismissed McCain and Palin's complaints as a "recycled, manufactured controversy" meant to distract voters.

"Barack Obama has been clear and consistent on his support for Israel, and has been clear that Rashid Khalidi is not an adviser to him or his campaign and that he does not share Khalidi's views," Vietor said.

Khalidi taught at the University of Chicago until 2003. Obama and his wife, Michelle, often socialized with Khalidi and his wife, Mona, and the Khalidis hosted a political fundraiser for Obama in 2000.

The Woods Fund charity gave money to the Arab-American Action Network, run by Mona Khalidi, while Obama served on the charity's board. Ayers also served on the board.

The Center for Palestine Research and Studies conducted regular public opinion surveys in the West Bank and Gaza with financial support from various foundations and from the International Republican Institute, an organization that promoting democracy around the world. McCain was the IRI chairman when it gave $448,873 to the research group in 1998, according to IRI's tax return.

Ayers was a founder of the radical group the Weather Underground, which set off bombs at the Capitol and the Pentagon in protest of the Vietnam War nearly 40 years ago. McCain has criticized Obama for having had a friendly relationship with Ayers, with whom Obama worked on two community organizations several years ago, and for downplaying their ties.

Obama has noted that he was a child when Ayers, now a university professor, was with the Weather Underground. The Democratic candidate has condemned Ayers' radical past and violent activities.

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See? This is what I'm talking about.

Just because Sean Hannity keeps railing about some tape that the LA Times has, doesn't mean it exists. Go suck on Hannity's teat some more, and see if you get any more drops of bullshit.

Oh, and keep posting all the cute little knee-jerk items you find on blogs. It's cute that you're this stupid.
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The LA Times says its in the past and not news worthy...

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See? This is what I'm talking about.

Just because Sean Hannity keeps railing about some tape that the LA Times has, doesn't mean it exists. Go suck on Hannity's teat some more, and see if you get any more drops of bullshit.

Oh, and keep posting all the cute little knee-jerk items you find on blogs. It's cute that you're this stupid.
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I'm not the one voting for the bill with a successionist on the ticket.
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See? This is what I'm talking about.

Just because Sean Hannity keeps railing about some tape that the LA Times has, doesn't mean it exists. Go suck on Hannity's teat some more, and see if you get any more drops of bullshit.

Oh, and keep posting all the cute little knee-jerk items you find on blogs. It's cute that you're this stupid.
The AP is reporting that the LA Times has admitted they have a tape and did a story on the incident and you deny it is true?

You're complete idiocy and kooliad drinking for Obama is limitless.

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See? This is what I'm talking about.

Just because Sean Hannity keeps railing about some tape that the LA Times has, doesn't mean it exists. Go suck on Hannity's teat some more, and see if you get any more drops of bullshit.

Oh, and keep posting all the cute little knee-jerk items you find on blogs. It's cute that you're this stupid.
LA Times admit it exists...wth? Blog? LMAO.

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10...-khalidi-tape/

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LA Times admit it exists...wth? Blog? LMAO.

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10...-khalidi-tape/
Oh. Fox News. Sorry. MUCH more credible.
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I heard that Obama one time, dressed up as a Zombie.
You don't see this as fact, that there is a tape? The LA Times has admitted it and the Associated Press is reporting it also, this isn't some right wing blogger or hate site I am referencing here.

Come on now, you have to agree there is a tape, right?

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Oh. Fox News. Sorry. MUCH more credible.
What about the Associated Press and the LA Times admitting the tapes existence you idiot?

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EDIT nevermind, everyone just covered the issues on the Times admitting the tape exists.
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Oh. Fox News. Sorry. MUCH more credible.
CNN is for McCain, too?

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The McCain campaign accused the Los Angeles paper of "intentionally suppressing" a videotape it obtained from that dinner and demanded that it release the footage. Read: McCain pushes Obama connection to Khalidi

The Times said it won't release the footage because a reporter promised a source that the video would not be made public.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/...rap/index.html

And MSNBC must be for McCain as well...
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Taken straight off the LA Times website. Come on now Obama nuthuggers, just admit you don't care whatr the guy does or says, you will blindly vote for him no matter how bad the tape is, right?

Allies of Palestinians see a friend in Barack Obama

By Peter Wallsten, Los Angeles Times Staff Writer

April 10, 2008

CHICAGO -- It was a celebration of Palestinian culture -- a night of music, dancing and a dash of politics. Local Arab Americans were bidding farewell to Rashid Khalidi, an internationally known scholar, critic of Israel and advocate for Palestinian rights, who was leaving town for a job in New York.

A special tribute came from Khalidi's friend and frequent dinner companion, the young state Sen. Barack Obama. Speaking to the crowd, Obama reminisced about meals prepared by Khalidi's wife, Mona, and conversations that had challenged his thinking.


His many talks with the Khalidis, Obama said, had been "consistent reminders to me of my own blind spots and my own biases. . . . It's for that reason that I'm hoping that, for many years to come, we continue that conversation -- a conversation that is necessary not just around Mona and Rashid's dinner table," but around "this entire world."

Today, five years later, Obama is a U.S. senator from Illinois who expresses a firmly pro-Israel view of Middle East politics, pleasing many of the Jewish leaders and advocates for Israel whom he is courting in his presidential campaign. The dinner conversations he had envisioned with his Palestinian American friend have ended. He and Khalidi have seen each other only fleetingly in recent years.

And yet the warm embrace Obama gave to Khalidi, and words like those at the professor's going-away party, have left some Palestinian American leaders believing that Obama is more receptive to their viewpoint than he is willing to say.

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Oh. Fox News. Sorry. MUCH more credible.
Are you fucking retarded?! They admitted to having the fucking tape! Jesus fucking christ dude!

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CNN is for McCain, too?


http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/...rap/index.html

And MSNBC must be for McCain as well...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27439939/
Thanks, you are obviously better at the internet than I am.

If evidence of Obama's poor judgment was a 2X4, gpamp would be dying from the numerous blows to his head and still would yell "Where is the evidence of this 2X4 you claim exists!"

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They will never concede, even with this article in full view. Maybe when the Nazi's are knocking on the door, they will see the light.

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Taken straight off the LA Times website. Come on now Obama nuthuggers, just admit you don't care whatr the guy does or says, you will blindly vote for him no matter how bad the tape is, right?
They hate Bush so much that they'll blindly elect anybody that is anti-Bush despite the consequences.

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I just wonder how the Obama nut huggers will defend this? It has been reported that the reason the LA Times will not release this tape is because there was some very hate-filled speech about Isreal from people at this party and Obama was there and sat through it. This is just more evidence of his lifetime of poor judgment.
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Your article pretty much says what's relevant.

"Barack Obama has been clear and consistent on his support for Israel, and has been clear that Rashid Khalidi is not an adviser to him or his campaign and that he does not share Khalidi's views," Vietor said.


If associations with Rashid Khalidi so poor judgment...... how about funding his projects?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/1..._n_138606.html

In regards to Khalidi, however, the guilt-by-association game burns John McCain as well.

During the 1990s, while he served as chairman of the International Republican Institute (IRI), McCain distributed several grants to the Palestinian research center co-founded by Khalidi, including one worth half a million dollars.

A 1998 tax filing for the McCain-led group shows a $448,873 grant to Khalidi's Center for Palestine Research and Studies for work in the West Bank. (See grant number 5180, "West Bank: CPRS" on page 14 of this PDF.)

The relationship extends back as far as 1993, when John McCain joined IRI as chairman in January. Foreign Affairs noted in September of that year that IRI had helped fund several extensive studies in Palestine run by Khalidi's group, including over 30 public opinion polls and a study of "sociopolitical attitudes."

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They will never concede, even with this article in full view. Maybe when the Nazi's are knocking on the door, they will see the light.
I am not surprised by gpamp, but when Monsoon came in I must admit I was a little taken aback. He hasn't responded to my rebuttal yet though.

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I am not surprised by gpamp, but when Monsoon came in I must admit I was a little taken aback. He hasn't responded to my rebuttal yet though.
I'm telling you, he's our own version of Colin Powell...

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Your article pretty much says what's relevant.

"Barack Obama has been clear and consistent on his support for Israel, and has been clear that Rashid Khalidi is not an adviser to him or his campaign and that he does not share Khalidi's views," Vietor said.


If associations with Rashid Khalidi so poor judgment...... how about funding his projects?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/1..._n_138606.html

In regards to Khalidi, however, the guilt-by-association game burns John McCain as well.

During the 1990s, while he served as chairman of the International Republican Institute (IRI), McCain distributed several grants to the Palestinian research center co-founded by Khalidi, including one worth half a million dollars.

A 1998 tax filing for the McCain-led group shows a $448,873 grant to Khalidi's Center for Palestine Research and Studies for work in the West Bank. (See grant number 5180, "West Bank: CPRS" on page 14 of this PDF.)

The relationship extends back as far as 1993, when John McCain joined IRI as chairman in January. Foreign Affairs noted in September of that year that IRI had helped fund several extensive studies in Palestine run by Khalidi's group, including over 30 public opinion polls and a study of "sociopolitical attitudes."
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Your article pretty much says what's relevant.

"Barack Obama has been clear and consistent on his support for Israel, and has been clear that Rashid Khalidi is not an adviser to him or his campaign and that he does not share Khalidi's views," Vietor said.


If associations with Rashid Khalidi so poor judgment...... how about funding his projects?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/1..._n_138606.html

In regards to Khalidi, however, the guilt-by-association game burns John McCain as well.

During the 1990s, while he served as chairman of the International Republican Institute (IRI), McCain distributed several grants to the Palestinian research center co-founded by Khalidi, including one worth half a million dollars.

A 1998 tax filing for the McCain-led group shows a $448,873 grant to Khalidi's Center for Palestine Research and Studies for work in the West Bank. (See grant number 5180, "West Bank: CPRS" on page 14 of this PDF.)

The relationship extends back as far as 1993, when John McCain joined IRI as chairman in January. Foreign Affairs noted in September of that year that IRI had helped fund several extensive studies in Palestine run by Khalidi's group, including over 30 public opinion polls and a study of "sociopolitical attitudes."
Did he eat at Khalidi's house and speak highly of him at a meeting where people were saying anti-semite statements?

Did McCain stay in a church 20 years with a racist preacher who hates this country he wants to lead and then use him as an advisor on his campaign?

Did McCain go to an America hating unrepentant terrorists home and ask for his support, then sit on boards with him, and then write a glowing endorsement of that terrorist?

Come on now, you have to see the pattern with Obama associating with these people for his whole life, right?

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Are you an Obama supporter? Feel free to respond to post #24 either way.

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Don't forget Biden yesterday talking about how if you make under 150K you'll get a tax break! (ok, technically correct but he missed the others as well... which means these guys are moving targets in their stumps)

I understand Obama is trying to hide Biden over the next week. I can see why.

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Don't forget Biden yesterday talking about how if you make under 150K you'll get a tax break! (ok, technically correct but he missed the others as well... which means these guys are moving targets in their stumps)

I understand Obama is trying to hide Biden over the next week. I can see why.
Yeah, Obama originally said 250K, then 200K, now Biden says 150K. I wonder if it will be 100K or less after he wins.


Hell, that will even include my household income!

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Did he eat at Khalidi's house and speak highly of him at a meeting where people were saying anti-semite statements?

Did McCain stay in a church 20 years with a racist preacher who hates this country he wants to lead and then use him as an advisor on his campaign?

Did McCain go to an America hating unrepentant terrorists home and ask for his support, then sit on boards with him, and then write a glowing endorsement of that terrorist?

Come on now, you have to see the pattern with Obama associating with these people for his whole life, right?
What pattern is that?

I see a man who as a young politician was too excited by working with people, who were also working for the good of the less represented residents in their community, than worrying about how associating with them would tarnish is image. I see a politician who was never on the path to become president, and as such, didn't how his actions would play out on a national platform.

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What pattern is that?

I see a man who as a young politician was too excited by working with people, who were also working for the good of the less represented residents in their community, than worrying about how associating with them would tarnish is image. I see a politician who was never on the path to become president, and as such, didn't how his actions would play out on a national platform.
You don't see a history of associating himself with people who hate this country and are racists? You don't see a history of poor judgment on his part? You don't see someone who would associate with people for 20 years, and then when his handlers tell him how bad it will be to associate with Rev. Wright, only then does he cut ties with him at the ceremnoy to announcement his candidacy for President?

Come on now, seriously dude, take off the Obama loving goggles and stop drinking the koolaid he is serving you.

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You don't see a history of associating himself with people who hate this country and are racists? You don't see a history of poor judgment on his part? You don't see someone who would associate with people for 20 years, and then when his handlers tell him how bad it will be to associate with Rev. Wright, only then does he cut ties with him at the ceremnoy to announcement his candidacy for President?

Come on now, seriously dude, take off the Obama loving goggles and stop drinking the koolaid he is serving you.
Obama has disassociated himself with Rev Wright and like jones4stangs said
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I see a man who as a young politician was too excited by working with people, who were also working for the good of the less represented residents in their community, than worrying about how associating with them would tarnish is image.
What about McCains's poor judgement?

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First, Gov. Palin is a first term Governor without the executive experience McCain criticizes Obama for not having. If Sen. Joe Biden has to step up to President, he brings decades of foreign intelligence and foreign diplomacy experience to the office. Not so, with Gov. Palin.

Second, Gov. Palin is a relative unknown outside the Republican inner-circle. She doesn't bring any competitive edge to his campaign save for the fact that she is a woman. The presumption here is that Gov. Palin's female status may attract disaffected Hillary supporters.

Apparently, Sen. McCain didn't watch the Democratic Convention, for if he had, he would have realized that that there are very, very, few disaffected Hillary supporters anymore that can be attracted to the McCain ticket. So, the one important drawing card for choosing Palin, is nullified by the unity found in the DNC's convention this week. Very poor judgment, here.

Third, given that Gov. Palin brings no economics education or experience to the ticket, nor foreign affairs experience or education, it leaves the distinct impression that Sen. McCain chose her for one, and only one purpose, to broaden his political campaign's appeal to women voters. If that is the case, is not Sen. McCain putting politics ahead of the needs of the nation, and his personal aspirations ahead of the country?

It would certainly appear so. The hypocrisy of this is enormous as Sen. McCain's attacks upon Obama were centered on claims that Obama was in this for himself and not the American people. That he was a celebrity, and lacking the experience to lead. McCain's campaign has alluded to Obama's meteoric rise in politics as ego based, like that of a rock star or other Hollywood celebrity.

And yet, here is Sen. McCain selecting a V.P. candidate on what appears to be no more than possible political gain based on gender, rather than assets needed by the nation in facing its enormous challenges, created and grown by the Bush Administration and the Republican Congress. To be fair, Gov. Pallin does bring a record of fighting corruption in Alaskan government, to her great credit.

But for nearly all the reasons McCain has criticized Obama for not being ready for the White House, he has selected a VP candidate who lacks the same qualities McCain criticized Obama for. Judgment simply doesn't get poorer than this. And pales in comparison to Obama's choice of Sen. Joseph Biden as his VP choice.

This decision by Sen. McCain does highlight the reckless and risky way by which McCain was pegged with the moniker, "maverick", however. From his days as a rule breaker in the military, to his years of avoiding any education in economics while voting on trillions of dollars of tax payer's money in Congress, to his siding with Pres. Bush 9 times out of 10 on failed policy and administration, the word "maverick" fits Sen. John McCain quite well. A maverick is not to be relied upon, trusted, or counted on in a pinch.

The pinch was on in this election campaign, and his VP choice cannot possibly avoid frustrating large factions of the Republican Party constituents who would have preferred a Colin Powell, Condoleeza Rice, or Mitt Romney with stature and proven experience. It was a poor judgment call indeed if Republican turnout this November is lower than hoped for and expected.

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Obama has disassociated himself with Rev Wright and like jones4stangs said
And I guess you missed the post where I pointed out he only disassociated himself with the racist America hating Rev. Wright after his handlers told him to. You do know Wright was at the ceremony/news conference where Obama announced his candidacy and at the last minute Obama asked him to not come out, right?

BTW, how about the 3 known poor associations (you conveniently ignored 2 of them) Obama has had in his life being a pattern of poor judgment? Is it possible we don't know all there is to know about a person who was relatively unknown to us until he started running for President? I mean, the LA Times won't let us see the tape they have, so is it possible other major media outlets who have endorsed him have hidden other poor associations and information that may be damaging about him?

I hope you admit it is possible or your intellectual honesty goes out the window.

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What about McCains's poor judgement?
McCain picked an articulate, moral, decent, and honorable female Governor for VP and that shows poor judgment? How?

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Well he has no problem hanging around with Ayers & Wright, I can't see why he would have a problem hanging around with a Palestinian scumbag. Just another pal!!

Maybe if he gets elected they can all come to dinner at the White House and shit all over the place.
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McCain picked an articulate, moral, decent, and honorable female Governor for VP and that shows poor judgment? How?

because shes not black or a democrat...duh... .
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McCain picked an articulate, moral, decent, and honorable female Governor for VP and that shows poor judgment? How?

because shes not black or a democrat...duh... .
She scares the piss out of the libs, and rightfully so. A female besides Hillary! A moral mom of a child she COULD have aborted, but didn't. Saved Alaskan taxpayers millions, fought against corruption in her own party (and won!), and doesn't back down from socialism one iota. They just don't have an answer for her, period.

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fuck the la times. i dunno why everybody wants to protect this guy. let the public see what he is about and let the people decide.he hangs out with some shady people for sure and thats enough IMO to keep the man from being president. gpampers your a fucking moron I dont wanty my hard earned money going to a bunch of broke dicks who sit around and cry instead of working. Fuck obama and his spreading the wealth. you want to be wealthy? get your ass out there and get it done how much more opportunity could you possibly need?

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McCain picked an articulate, moral, decent, and honorable female Governor for VP and that shows poor judgment? How?

because shes not black or a democrat...duh... .
//slaps head// Silly me, I should have known //slaps head//


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Obama has disassociated himself with Rev Wright and like jones4stangs said
He did that because he basically was forced to if he wanted to keep his campaign alive. He severed those relationships because it was politically damaging, not because he wanted to. He associated and mingled with these people years prior. Wright baptized the Obama's children at their own home. They aren't casual acquaintances, they are close.

The topic of this thread is just another example of socializing in radical circles. The cool aid drinking Obama supporters refuse to see this long established pattern of hanging around controversial figures. That is because they are like minded. Obama subscribes to that or he wouldn't associate with these people. No one associates with people they don't like. We don't go out shoot pool and drink beer with someone who we do not like or have anything in common with. Common sense is lost on Obama supporters in regards to this topic.

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What about McCains's poor judgement?
McCain does not have a history of socializing with former terrorists, racists hate mongering preachers, and radical anti-Semites. These are people that Obama freely associated with before he found out it was harmful to him politically.

There is a pattern that you can clearly see if you open your mind and stop swinging from Barry's ball sack. Continue to scream about guilt by association, but the funny part is you don't realize how many times you have to say that with Obama. Notice how there is always a news story coming to light about Obama's involvement with someone who is deemed controversial?? Hmmm...Makes you wonder.

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it was not a problem to bring money to his house at 10pm.so why is it a problem to call and bitch.it wasnt a problem when we were all sitting around smoking pot together.yes i said it we all were smoking pot together.what now stupid.
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Why do so many of these liberals come into threads, ask a question, get called out and responded to, and then leave?

turbo and jones in this thread, but there are others. Oh yeah, jones is a repeat offender.

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Because it goes against their very belief that minorities shall remain ignorant and slaves to the rich.
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Because it goes against their very belief that minorities shall remain ignorant and slaves to the rich.
Is this Jeremiah Wright? No need to hide behind a pseudonym, we are all brothers here.

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What pattern is that?

I see a man who as a young politician was too excited by working with people, who were also working for the good of the less represented residents in their community, than worrying about how associating with them would tarnish is image. I see a politician who was never on the path to become president, and as such, didn't how his actions would play out on a national platform.
The spin put into this post is dizzying.

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This is ridiculous. In my lifetime, I've learned more from being around people with opposite opinions than I have by associating with people that think the same as I do. Maybe if people start listening to the other side, something will actually be accomplished in the peace process.

Has anyone in this thread ever been to the part of the world that Khalidi has spent so much of his life researching and defending? Does anyone know the real history of Israel/Palestine enough to defend either side 100%? Have any of you thought that things are not always what they seem when you're half a world away?

I serve on a non-profit board with an individual that fought in the Israeli army, and we also have a Palestinian-born woman on one of our committees. When the two get together, it's amazing how much they can talk about and agree upon. The biggest agreement - BOTH sides have their faults and BOTH sides need to get past their history in order to reach a peace agreement.
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Way to play the race card and not add anything thoughtful. Jackass.

How do black conservatives fit into your brilliant theory?

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Way to play the race card and not add anything thoughtful. Jackass.

How do black conservatives fit into your brilliant theory?



Show me one black conservative who is poor and then we can talk.
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You said "conservatives", so did not mention income at all. What point are you trying to make? Here you admit that Black people can be rich, so what did this mean?

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"their" being conservatives. So why would a Black conservative believe "that minorities shall remain ignorant and slaves to the rich." ?

Contradiction?

Edit: And I know two or three black conservatives that make <$30, but I don't think that will change anything.

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This is ridiculous. In my lifetime, I've learned more from being around people with opposite opinions than I have by associating with people that think the same as I do. Maybe if people start listening to the other side, something will actually be accomplished in the peace process.

Has anyone in this thread ever been to the part of the world that Khalidi has spent so much of his life researching and defending? Does anyone know the real history of Israel/Palestine enough to defend either side 100%? Have any of you thought that things are not always what they seem when you're half a world away?

I serve on a non-profit board with an individual that fought in the Israeli army, and we also have a Palestinian-born woman on one of our committees. When the two get together, it's amazing how much they can talk about and agree upon. The biggest agreement - BOTH sides have their faults and BOTH sides need to get past their history in order to reach a peace agreement.
You bring too much logic & common sense to this board. You must have a hidden agenda and insult everyone who thinks differently than your opinion. Also, do not forget the all too common "DFWstangs- directed insult- so- I- feel- superior- to- you" comment when you end your post.

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Because it goes against their very belief that minorities shall remain ignorant and slaves to the rich.
All consevatives I know want the minorities to become educated so they will stop voting for the idiot liberals who don't really care about them. Why else would the liberals be throwing free government money at them if they wanted them to improve their lives?

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