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Dang. use the calculator

my answer:

"You will probably not get a tax cut under the Obama-Biden plan.
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"You will probably not get a tax cut under the Obama-Biden plan.
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That probably means you'll be getting a tax increase.

Regardless, did someone of your financial status really need that calculator to tell you that?

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That probably means you'll be getting a tax increase.

Regardless, did someone of your financial status really need that calculator to tell you that?
ehh, just saw the commercial. Thought u guys might like to play with the calculator.

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ehh, just saw the commercial. Thought u guys might like to play with the calculator.
I'd really like to see if it could give actual numbers as to how much the taxes are going to increase for those that aren't getting a tax break. From some of the numbers I've heard, the tax increase could very easily pay for almost all of my schooling.

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Dang. use the calculator

my answer:

"You will probably not get a tax cut under the Obama-Biden plan.
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decisions, decisions.

Take one for the team. Voting yourself into a higher tax bracket is the patriotic thing to do.

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Irrelevent, Obama and the gang will let the Bush tax cuts lapse. It is the perfect political play, they can just throw their hands up in the air and act like it wasn't their fault.
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"You will probably not get a tax cut under the Obama-Biden plan."
Nope but you'll eventually get a tax increase when the Bush tax cuts expire.

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It says I'll save money, but it ain't shit that I'll be saving.

Like others have said, I'd rather pay what I'm saving under Obama for more American jobs...etc

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i'd save $68 with obama...but i'd also have to give up my hi-capacity magazines, assault rifles, and CHL if i got one

fuck $68 dollars
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Nope but you'll eventually get a tax increase when the Bush tax cuts expire.


Bush should have never given tax rebates .

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Bush should have never given tax rebates .

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Giving your own money back to you is now socialism? Interesting logic you got there. I'm all for that brand of "socialism" and do my best to promote it at my house every April.
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Nope but you'll eventually get a tax increase when the Bush tax cuts expire.

You're correct but, if we can continue to help prop up healthcare then I'm all on board.

I suppose my CPA will just have to work harder in finding me some loopholes.

Speaking of that, I gotta go set me up a Traditional IRA before this quarter is up.

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I'm all for tax-funded healthcare for children 18 and under, adults 65 and older, and those physically unable to work. Otherwise - you're on your own, brah...
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I'm all for tax-funded healthcare for children 18 and under, adults 65 and older, and those physically unable to work. Otherwise - you're on your own, brah...
Just curious... are you for tax-funded healthcare for children 18 and under no matter the income level of the parents?
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Speaking of that, I gotta go set me up a Traditional IRA before this quarter is up.
Dude, you are a small business now. SEP-IRA, FTW!

My 401K is now a 400K (was 301K)
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Just curious... are you for tax-funded healthcare for children 18 and under no matter the income level of the parents?
I don't have an opinion on that. Because those kids are going to get good healthcare whether it's tax-funded or parent-funded. Their parents will likely pay for premium healthcare even if free care is available.

What is wrong with McCain's plan of a $5000 credit for healthcare? It's basically the same thing, except no blank checks for the medical industry. People will stop and think before going beyond their $5000 credit.
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I'm all for tax-funded healthcare for children 18 and under, adults 65 and older, and those physically unable to work. Otherwise - you're on your own, brah...
i agree 100%
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Will it continue?

With the mess we are in now how long can thing go on as they are now. Back when Clinton was Pres. an he liked the idea of a life having the looks of milk and honey, he started the house of cards we live in now by having the Banks and Savings and Loan Co. let everone have loans where they could afford it or not. Now that the ecconomy in down the tube and there is no money, no one can make even the barest minimum of payments. So the House of Cards fall apart and boom the whole bottom falls out. So people that are disable and old may not be able now to have any S.S. or disability to draw from.
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i'd save $68 with obama...but i'd also have to give up my hi-capacity magazines, assault rifles, and CHL if i got one

fuck $68 dollars
Did you loose any of that under Clinton? Has anyone ever lost a weapon due to any presidential administration? When has any goverment agency ever showed up to take your guns? Is the sky falling?

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Did you loose any of that under Clinton? Has anyone ever lost a weapon due to any presidential administration? When has any goverment agency ever showed to take your guns? Is the sky falling?
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So the answer is never........so far.
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So the answer is never........so far.
The ATF doesn't take guns from people? Are you making the case that everything they have done is correct? That's a bold statement.

Should we deny that the government of the District of Colombia has seized weapons under a law that was later ruled unconstitutional? I guess we should!
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The ATF doesn't take guns from people? Are you making the case that everything they have done is correct? That's a bold statement.

Should we deny that the government of the District of Colombia has seized weapons under a law that was later ruled unconstitutional? I guess we should!
Criminal situations excepted, when has the ATF seized weapons from law abiding citizens? I'm asking a question.
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Criminal situations excepted, when has the ATF seized weapons from law abiding citizens? I'm asking a question.

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You don't remember Waco?
Yes, that was a criminal situation. ATF agents were fired upon when knocking on a door.
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Yes, that was a criminal situation. ATF agents were fired upon when knocking on a door.

That's what the ATF and Janet Reno want you to believe.

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Criminal situations excepted, when has the ATF seized weapons from law abiding citizens? I'm asking a question.
Why would you want to debate about what is "law abiding" and what isn't? Fact is that the District of Colombia did seize weapons under a law that was later ruled unconstitutional. Those people were "law abiding" and their guns were seized until the law was struck down at the Supreme Court. That isn't gun control? What if the court never took the case? Are those people going to get their guns back?
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Dude, you are a small business now. SEP-IRA, FTW!

Yeah but, since it's so close to the EOY I gotta dump $$ now! My CPA told me that a Simple would take too long to get up and running. So it was Traditional until next year, then SEP.

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Criminal situations excepted, when has the ATF seized weapons from law abiding citizens? I'm asking a question.
Cavalry Arms comes to mind...

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That's what the ATF and Janet Reno want you to believe.
It's true there was no proof of who fired first.
Just that the ATF showed up with a rubber stamped warrant, and guess what -
NO Illegal weapons were found ....
just all the burned and dead people.
it's the facts whether you believe the Davidians were up to something or not, they were legal. LEGAL.

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It's true there was no proof of who fired first.
Just that the ATF showed up with a rubber stamped warrant, and guess what -
NO Illegal weapons were found ....
just all the burned and dead people.
it's the facts whether you believe the Davidians were up to something or not, they were legal. LEGAL.
I liked how they attempted to make it into a media stunt/show of force from the start and then got their asses owned. My favorite part was the guys that climbed the ladder to get on the roof, like that is some sort of smart move tactically. It's funny shit when fat fucks put on some fancy gear and think they are delta force operatives.
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Oh no, they weren't "law abiding" according to some people. And well, if they are then we'll just change the law so that they aren't. Even if it is unconstitutional legislation we can have it hang around for years before it is done away with and well, isn't that the same as having it be legit?
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i'd save $68 with obama...but i'd also have to give up my hi-capacity magazines, assault rifles, and CHL if i got one

fuck $68 dollars
Yep, there would have to be a few 0's after that figure to even consider voting for Obama even then.

BTW, if you really want to give more money the government and not lose all these rights, maybe the people on the fence can vote for McCain and then just cut the check in the amount they want to donate so I don't have to pay higher taxes.

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BTW, if you really want to give more money the government and not lose all these rights, maybe the people on the fence can vote for McCain and then just cut the check in the amount they want to donate so I don't have to pay higher taxes.
People have been free to send in extra money for a long time, I wonder why the socialists don't? Oh that's right, they don't have any money lmao!

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The ATF doesn't take guns from people? Are you making the case that everything they have done is correct? That's a bold statement.

Should we deny that the government of the District of Colombia has seized weapons under a law that was later ruled unconstitutional? I guess we should!
I am about as pro-LE as anyone, but to say that the feds can be trusted to not take away weapons from citizens is pretty crazy.

I don't care if Republicnas or Democrats are in control. I don't trust the government except a few very specific instances.

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People have been free to send in extra money for a long time, I wonder why the socialists don't? Oh that's right, they don't have any money lmao!
I bet my liberal Bush hating brother, who said Bush's tax cuts/rebates were going to ruin the country, that if he would send the money back I would buy him a steak dinner. He never got the dinner.

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Yeah but, since it's so close to the EOY I gotta dump $$ now! My CPA told me that a Simple would take too long to get up and running. So it was Traditional until next year, then SEP.
You have until April 15th to make the contribution.

There is a difference between "SIMPLE IRA" and "SEP IRA"

Simple IRA -> Savings Incentive Match Plan For Employees

SEP IRA -> Simplified Employee Pension

Simple has a max contrib of 10,500 under age of 50

SEP has a max contrib this year of 46000 or 25% of salary (which ever is less). We make our contribs in April for the preceding year.

My 401K is now a 400K (was 301K)
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I liked how they attempted to make it into a media stunt/show of force from the start and then got their asses owned. My favorite part was the guys that climbed the ladder to get on the roof, like that is some sort of smart move tactically. It's funny shit when fat fucks put on some fancy gear and think they are delta force operatives.
Amen! They thought they could march in and do whatever they pleased. I applaud David and his group for giving them the finger via lead bullets.
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Dang. use the calculator

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I seem to recall the government seizing all sorts of guns after Katrina wiped out NO. Even saw reports of them slamming granny against a wall while taking her little pocket pistol.

From what I've read after the fact a very minute percentage of the guns have been returned to their rightful owners due to difficulty of proving ownership. Convenient when your records get obliterated by a storm, no?
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You have until April 15th to make the contribution.
I had to learn all of this stuff rather quick so I'm still slightly behind the curve but, I from what I understand about my S corp.......I need to get rid of some cash before the year is up. Whatever profit is retained at EOY has to be reported on our 1040. Honestly, I'm rethinking the structure. I need to really compare the S vs. C corps. The company's profit that we have to report on our personal taxes is freakin rediculous. Like, I've said before, our taxes are almost an engineer's salary for the year.

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I played with Obama's tax machine. I used the lowest available income, the most possible dependants and $0 as my mortgage.

Income: 20k (lowest allowed)
Status: Married
Dependants: 3+ (max allowed)
Mortgage: $0 (Section 8 FTW!)
$1619
so a crack dealer who has the lowest reported income, maximum possible rugrats, does not own a home and doesn't pay any taxes to begin with gets $1619

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