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Russia: Poland risks attack because of US missiles

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MOSCOW - A top Russian general said Friday that Poland's agreement to accept a U.S. missile defense battery exposes ex-communist nation to attack, possibly by nuclear weapons, the Interfax news agency reported. ADVERTISEMENT The statement by Gen. Anatoly Nogovitsyn is the strongest threat that Russia has issued against the plans to put missile defense elements in former Soviet satellite nations. Poland and the United States on Thursday signed a deal for Poland to accept a missile interceptor base as part of a system the United States says is aimed at blocking attacks by rogue nations. Moscow, however, feels it is aimed at Russia's missile force. "Poland, by deploying (the system) is exposing itself to a strike — 100 percent," Nogovitsyn, the deputy chief of staff, was quoted as saying.

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Poland is a NATO member. If Russia did something like that the shit would hit the fan in a major way..

I think you'll see a big push to get the Ukraine under the NATO banner pretty soon.

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Is it just me or is Russia spoiling for a piece of the USA? First they invade Georgia, now this...
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Is it just me or is Russia spoiling for a piece of the USA? First they invade Georgia, now this...

Russia doesn't want war with the US or NATO. They know that it is a losing proposition because their conventional forces are mostly crap. A nuclear confrontation is a loser for everyone. Russia and China want the US contained from a military standpoint. They still want us as customers but they want our influence greatly reduced.

Russia invaded Georgia for many reasons. IMO the primary one is oil related. However a secondary and important reason is to show the world that they are the only nation capable of standing up to the US. Right now, with other NATO allies acting like pussies, they are right. But if Russia were to invade Poland it would be their undoing because NATO will protect one of their own.

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I think Russia is getting warmed up because they see an opportunity to make up some lost ground if Obama is elected . They might even make up some lost ground if McCain is elected as well .
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Looks like it is about time to pull a Ronnie Reagan, flood the market with oil and sink the Russian economy again.
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Looks like it is about time to pull a Ronnie Reagan, flood the market with oil and sink the Russian economy again.
Yea, but would the Saudi's play ball with us this time? They had a lot to do with that...

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Poland is a NATO member. If Russia did something like that the shit would hit the fan in a major way..

I think you'll see a big push to get the Ukraine under the NATO banner pretty soon.
Do you honestly think that whether a country is NATO or not will matter? I mean really... not anymore. They were doing pretty well at setting up each one as NATO, going right down the line until Georgia, though. Damn two votes. I don't think being NATO would have chaged anything in Georgia's situation.


Now y'all know why Russia's panties were in a wad over this missle defense bullshit. This whole thing has been in the works for a while, now.
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Do you honestly think that whether a country is NATO or not will matter? I mean really... not anymore. They were doing pretty well at setting up each one as NATO, going right down the line until Georgia, though. Damn two votes. I don't think being NATO would have chaged anything in Georgia's situation.


Now y'all know why Russia's panties were in a wad over this missle defense bullshit. This whole thing has been in the works for a while, now.

It does matter. Right now the US has no legal obligation to do anything for Georgia. But we are obligated to defend any NATO member by treaty.

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Russia invaded Georgia for many reasons. IMO the primary one is oil related.
A country invade another one for oil related reasons?

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Yea, but would the Saudi's play ball with us this time? They had a lot to do with that...
They would at least be somewhat motivated to do it since in my opinion a strong Russia equals a stronger Iran. Not only that but high oil prices are boosting Iran. The question is, do they even have the capacity to pull that stunt again? Who knows but it is interesting to think about.
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It does matter. Right now the US has no legal obligation to do anything for Georgia. But we are obligated to defend any NATO member by treaty.
Sounds like we're about to give them an ultimatum...

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They would at least be somewhat motivated to do it since in my opinion a strong Russia equals a stronger Iran. Not only that but high oil prices are boosting Iran. The question is, do they even have the capacity to pull that stunt again? Who knows but it is interesting to think about.
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http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/europe...ussia.cuba.ap/

Putin eyes renewed Russian ties with Cuba

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MOSCOW, Russia (AP) -- Prime Minister Vladimir Putin is calling for Russia to regain its influential position in former Cold War ally Cuba, Russian news reports said Monday.

The statement comes amid persistent speculation about whether Russia is seeking a military presence in a country just 90 miles (150 kilometers) from the United States in response to U.S. plans to place missile-defense elements in Poland and the Czech Republic.

"We should restore our position in Cuba and other countries," Putin was quoted as saying by the Interfax news agency.

Putin spoke Monday while hearing a report on a recent Russian delegation's trip to Cuba. Vice Premier Igor Sechin and others met with the Cuban leadership and discussed an array of cooperation projects.

"We agreed on the priority for the direction of cooperation -- energy, mining, agriculture transport, health care and communications," Sechin said, according to the RIA-Novosti news agency.

Military issues were not mentioned in the reports. But separately RIA-Novosti quoted an influential analyst and former top defense official as saying Russia could make a military return to Cuba.

"It is not a secret that the West is creating a 'buffer zone' around Russia, involving countries in central Europe, the Caucasus, the Baltic states and Ukraine," the agency quoted Leonid Ivashov, the head of the Academy of Geopolitical Problems, as saying. "In response, we may expand our military presence abroad, including in Cuba."

Russia opposes U.S. plans to put missile-defense elements in Eastern Europe, saying the facilities are aimed at undermining Russia's missile potential. Russia has threatened an unspecified "military technical" response if the plans go through.

Last month, the Defense Ministry denied a major Russian newspaper's report that the country was considering placing nuclear-capable bombers in Cuba -- a move that would have echoed the 1962 Cuban missile crisis.

Soviet nuclear missiles stationed in Cuba during the height of the Cold War pushed the world to the brink of nuclear conflict on October 22, 1962, after President Kennedy announced their presence to the world.

After a tense week of diplomacy, Soviet leader Nikita Khrushchev removed the missiles.
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Cuban Missle Crisis Part Deux!

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If they pulled this I say we surround Cuba and roll on that bitch. Obama would would weep tears of joy if the commies started taking over.

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