Originally Posted by cobrajet69
In this post, you have a decent argument, but.... (note highlighted text)
Do you not think 9/11 was probable cause? And yes, you are correct, we did do just fine at Pear Harbor but this isn't your grandfathers war, and might alone will not win this war.
Drastic times call for drastic measures.
9/11 wasn't probable cause to errode the the rights and freedoms of the American people. 9/11 was probable cause for us to go after the Taliban and Al-Qaida.
I understand it's not the same war, but the basic principals are the same. We were attacked, at no fault of everyday citizens, therefore we respond with force on those that caused harm.
The data collection, the transactions collection, the illegal wiretapping, cameras, national ID cards, etc.... all in the name of terror without probable cause, on ordinary citizens. That is a problem, do you ever think you will get those back? There is a reason the DHS was created, and trust me, it's not for your safety.
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