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Iran keeps asking for it!

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"The West wanted us to stop," Ahmadinejad was quoted as telling the scholars. "We resisted, and now they want to resume negotiations."

Confusion clouded media reports about the actual number Ahmadinejad cited. One Iranian news agency quoted him as saying Iran had 6,000 centrifuges working, before taking the report off its Web site. Another said he referred to "hundreds and thousands" of centrifuges.


As its been stated before, we know he's just trying to buy time. However(I could be wrong) this is the first time I've seen him publicly state thats just what he's doing.

In theory, 6,000 centrifuges running continuously can produce enough weapons-grade uranium for one bomb in six months.

If there's good intel on this # I can assure somethin will go down right before or at the end of bush's term.

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Didn't really know wtf you need centrifuges for, but I found a good link.

http://science.howstuffworks.com/uranium-centrifuge.htm

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Diplomacy at its finest, I tell ya!!! When are the Obama/Pelosi-led Liberals going to realize that there is no room for diplomacy with savages?
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Diplomacy at its finest, I tell ya!!! When are the Obama/Pelosi-led Liberals going to realize that there is no room for diplomacy with savages?
When? About the same time the mushroom cloud dissipates...

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When? About the same time the mushroom cloud dissipates...

With those two leading congress, we'll be under nuclear attack, while paying $7 a gallon for gas.
But every free-loaded will have health insurance!!!!!
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But every free-loaded will have health insurance!!!!!
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Frankly I don't think Ahmadinejad wants to negotiate with the Bush administration but wants to wait for the next administration. They obviously want Obama but I think they MIGHT be willing to work with McCain. But then Ahmadinejad is a fucking nutcase. I think there is a good chance the Ayatollah will off his ass before the end of the year.

Remember, Ahmadinejad is not the end all be all top dude of Iran.

As should be obvious, Ahmadinejad is a liar to begin with. He is talking shit like Saddam did before we offed his ass. However, IMO, invading Iran is out of the question. Iran has a nationalistic pride despite Ahmadinejad's domestic policies. (he has run their economy into the ground) Many of the people would be fine with some sort of regime change, but ONLY at their own hands. All we need to do is keep funding and LOYALLY supporting an insurgency within IRAN.

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There is no need for a ground invasion of Iran. Simply take out their Achilles heel, i.e. their water supplies, and they'll see the light very quickly. Nationalism will quickly fade as the once proud Iranian populace begins to die of thirst.

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Diplomacy at its finest, I tell ya!!! When are the Obama/Pelosi-led Liberals going to realize that there is no room for diplomacy with savages?
About ten seconds after they realize a couple hundred thousand people have been vaporized.
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However, IMO, invading Iran is out of the question. Iran has a nationalistic pride despite Ahmadinejad's domestic policies. (he has run their economy into the ground) Many of the people would be fine with some sort of regime change, but ONLY at their own hands. All we need to do is keep funding and LOYALLY supporting an insurgency within IRAN.
My guess is that there are boots (sandals?) on the ground over there right now working toward doing just that. I also agree that an invasion of iran is a bad idea.

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There is no need for a ground invasion of Iran. Simply take our their Achilles heel, i.e. their water supplies, and they'll see the light very quickly. Nationalism will quickly fade as the once proud Iranian populace begins to die of thirst.
and i'll also bet that there are people looking at all sorts of plans along this angle; disrupt food/water/power/economy to begin a push for regime change.

Like others I also believe that if anything is going to happen it'll happen before bush walks.
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There is no need for a ground invasion of Iran. Simply take our their Achilles heel, i.e. their water supplies, and they'll see the light very quickly. Nationalism will quickly fade as the once proud Iranian populace begins to die of thirst.
I've said this all along. No reason to occupy Iran, just bomb it. Their air force is a joke. They'll send some republican guard and their civilian suicide bomb army across the border into Iraq. Just make sure they have a good reception waiting.
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I've said this all along. No reason to occupy Iran, just bomb it. Their air force is a joke. They'll send some republican guard and their civilian suicide bomb army across the border into Iraq. Just make sure they have a good reception waiting.

Based on known facts, I would have to agree.

However there have been intelligence reports that they are covertly upgrading to SU-30's. Deliveries supposedly started back at the end of 2007. However this intelligence was from Israel. I consider Israeli intelligence on Iran to be suspect. It is in Israel's interests to goad us into attacking Iran.

I'm more concerned with their AA and anti ship abilities. They have a pretty large amount of Silkworms. Those COULD be used to take out a carrier IF they overwhelm the defense systems. They could also end all oil transport in the Gulf if they wanted to. Just the threat would stop shipping.

Iran's AA ordinance is pretty significant but we all know they would have a lot of difficulty using it against the B2 and F117. Some of that AA ordinance is pretty old too so they would have difficulty against the ECM tactics from more advanced craft like the Super Hornet or even the F-15E.

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Based on known facts, I would have to agree.

However there have been intelligence reports that they are covertly upgrading to SU-30's. Deliveries supposedly started back at the end of 2007. However this intelligence was from Israel. I consider Israeli intelligence on Iran to be suspect. It is in Israel's interests to goad us into attacking Iran.

I'm more concerned with their AA and anti ship abilities. They have a pretty large amount of Silkworms. Those COULD be used to take out a carrier IF they overwhelm the defense systems. They could also end all oil transport in the Gulf if they wanted to. Just the threat would stop shipping.

Iran's AA ordinance is pretty significant but we all know they would have a lot of difficulty using it against the B2 and F117. Some of that AA ordinance is pretty old too so they would have difficulty against the ECM tactics from more advanced craft like the Super Hornet or even the F-15E.
Meh, the threat of ending shipping didn't work for them the last time. Some of their stuff looks good on paper, that is about it.

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the US does not have the money or the man power to do anything about Iran, other then a few air strikes. I would play hard ball on this with NATO and Europe, after all any Iranian strike is going to have more of an impact on Europe then the US. let Europe pay the tab on this one (their money is stronger anyway) or if they dont want to pay, they can send troops.

If not then we would have to strike some sort of deal with China, because there is no one else
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the US does not have the money or the man power to do anything about Iran, other then a few air strikes. I would play hard ball on this with NATO and Europe, after all any Iranian strike is going to have more of an impact on Europe then the US. let Europe pay the tab on this one (their money is stronger anyway) or if they dont want to pay, they can send troops.

If not then we would have to strike some sort of deal with China, because there is no one else
The only one talking about doing anything other than airstrikes are the idiots like Obama who want to talk about manpower and how we have committed everything to Iraq in order to make it a political issue. That's a lot of smokescreen bullshit.
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to beat Iran you are going to need a million men, and 2 trillion dollors.
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No need to beat them or occupy them, just take away their nuclear capabilities
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to beat Iran you are going to need a million men, and 2 trillion dollors.
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to beat Iran you are going to need a million men, and 2 trillion dollors.
You got that right, it only took 100,000 to invade and occupy Iraq. We'll need ten times as many!! And free balloons on Tuesday.
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You got that right, it only took 100,000 to invade and occupy Iraq. We'll need ten times as many!! And free balloons on Tuesday.

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You got that right, it only took 100,000 to invade and occupy Iraq. We'll need ten times as many!! And free balloons on Tuesday.
actually I believe we used more then 500,000 in Iraq, when you calculate the entire international force, and supporting man power. and this was a contained war (only faught with in the borders of one country), we know Iran opperates outside their borders, so this war would be faught through out the middle east.

we could just do what Clinton did, and everytime one of our enemies build a bomb we blow it up with an air strike. but that solves nothing
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Frankly I don't think Ahmadinejad wants to negotiate with the Bush administration but wants to wait for the next administration. They obviously want Obama but I think they MIGHT be willing to work with McCain. But then Ahmadinejad is a fucking nutcase. I think there is a good chance the Ayatollah will off his ass before the end of the year.

Remember, Ahmadinejad is not the end all be all top dude of Iran.

As should be obvious, Ahmadinejad is a liar to begin with. He is talking shit like Saddam did before we offed his ass. However, IMO, invading Iran is out of the question. Iran has a nationalistic pride despite Ahmadinejad's domestic policies. (he has run their economy into the ground) Many of the people would be fine with some sort of regime change, but ONLY at their own hands. All we need to do is keep funding and LOYALLY supporting an insurgency within IRAN.
Would have been done by now if it was going to happen.

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A Russian airbase in a strategic position could change the whole scenario.

Fortunately they are historical rivals, with Iran having a warm water port into the Indian.
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actually I believe we used more then 500,000 in Iraq, when you calculate the entire international force, and supporting man power. and this was a contained war (only faught with in the borders of one country), we know Iran opperates outside their borders, so this war would be faught through out the middle east.

we could just do what Clinton did, and everytime one of our enemies build a bomb we blow it up with an air strike. but that solves nothing
And we all know none of those people already in place could help with a war in Iran. We'd obviously have to have duplicate efforts.

Really, no one has said anything about invading Iran on foot. No one. Except for the politicians who want to scare the sheep.
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we cant divert all the troops from Iraq to Iran, then we would loose Iraq

if we dont get rid of the problem its going to bite us in the ass! sure airstrikes are good, but they can only do so much, sooner or later they will have a bomb
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we cant divert all the troops from Iraq to Iran, then we would loose Iraq

if we dont get rid of the problem its going to bite us in the ass! sure airstrikes are good, but they can only do so much, sooner or later they will have a bomb
They'll have a bomb after Obama gets elected and he talks with them. Ahmadinejad will tell Obama what he wants to hear and all will be well....according to Obama. Meanwhile, Iran is stock-piling weapons.

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They'll have a bomb after Obama gets elected and he talks with them. Ahmadinejad will tell Obama what he wants to hear and all will be well....according to Obama. Meanwhile, Iran is stock-piling weapons.

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Are you talking about Jimmy Carter? Wait a second damn it!!
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When? About the same time the mushroom cloud dissipates...

With those two leading congress, we'll be under nuclear attack, while paying $7 a gallon for gas.
And when another terrorist attack happens the Dems will blame Bush and his policies for making the peace loving Muslims, Iranians and all the terrorists hate us.

It will be everyone's fault but the Dems, that is for sure.

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to beat Iran you are going to need a million men, and 2 trillion dollors.
Didn't people say that about Iraq in the first gulf war?

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we cant divert all the troops from Iraq to Iran, then we would loose Iraq

if we dont get rid of the problem its going to bite us in the ass! sure airstrikes are good, but they can only do so much, sooner or later they will have a bomb
Who said anything about having soldiers on the ground in Iran? If we had not had to kill/capture Saddam we would not have stayed in Iraq this time. We would have repeated the forst gulf war IMO.

You have some serious preconcieved absolutes that limit your ability to see the big picture.

I have a feeling you hate Bush and you don't think the Iraq war is part of the global War on Terror, am I right?

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Are you talking about Jimmy Carter? Wait a second damn it!!
LOL, they didn't need a nuclear bomb to hold the US hostage and bring us to our knees when Carter was in office.

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you cant change a regime with out boots on the ground.

as for the Iraq war in 2003, that was only suppose to cost 250 billion, we are at 750 billion, and congress in in the processes of aproving another 180 billion, that will get us through this year.
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LOL, they didn't need a nuclear bomb to hold the US hostage and bring us to our knees when Carter was in office.
That's because Carter was a spineless wimp. Note that the election of Ronald Reagan changed the Iranian, and U.S., mindset rather quickly

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Cannon, your responses leave you wide open to question your knowledge of our current capabilites in the region. An attack on Iran wouldn't be very taxing for the US. Then again, nothing will happen till some #'s get confirmed, this retard spouting off isn't the greatest source for his countries accomplishments.

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That's because Carter was a spineless wimp. Note that the election of Ronald Reagan changed the the Iranian, and U.S. mindset, rather quickly

We're about to repeat history.
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you cant change a regime with out boots on the ground.

as for the Iraq war in 2003, that was only suppose to cost 250 billion, we are at 750 billion, and congress in in the processes of aproving another 180 billion, that will get us through this year.
Do you remember the first Iraq War, commonly referrred to as the Gulf War in the late 80's?

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Jeez...

We can take care of Iraq with the amount of troops we have now IF they're allowed to do what they need to.

Iran is two button pushes away from silence.

Million troops... LMFAO!! 500,000 troops... STILL LMFAO!!!
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you cant change a regime with out boots on the ground.

as for the Iraq war in 2003, that was only suppose to cost 250 billion, we are at 750 billion, and congress in in the processes of aproving another 180 billion, that will get us through this year.
You're a damned fool. Boots on this ground has had more change in this region than the last 6,000 years. What the fuck are you smoking?!?!

The only reason it is costing so much is because once we're here, we have to sit on our hands until the Libs get done with their whine-fest in Washington. This war would have been over LONG ago, given the right management. Dolt.
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This war would have been over LONG ago, given the right management. Dolt.
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Surely you're not suggesting that Rummy is a fuck up.
I have been accused of being biased, but NO ONE can deny that Rummy ran this operation like shit (I was here for that one too). I also blame Bush for allowing it to go on for as long as it did. Gates manages better, obviously. I think we'd be in a different situation if Gates was here from day one. After everything I've experienced over here, no one can ever convince me that we didn't belong out here, though.
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I have been accused of being biased, but NO ONE can deny that Rummy ran this operation like shit (I was here for that one too). I also blame Bush for allowing it to go on for as long as it did. Gates manages better, obviously. I think we'd be in a different situation if Gates was here from day one. After everything I've experienced over here, no one can ever convince me that we didn't belong out here, though.
I agree. It sure would have been nice to have been done and home 2/3 yrs ago. And have moved on to to snatching every hair out of OBL's chin. I know I get on a point and whip to death, but who can deny that we have some unsettled serious business with that fellow?

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Surely you're not suggesting that Rummy is a fuck up.
How come you can see it in "Rummy" and Bush but not RP? I wonder....

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post #47 of 131 (permalink) Old 07-29-2008, 09:25 AM
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Put boots on the ground in Iran and we'll be very close to starting WW3, only this time China and Russia will be on the other team. Not really something I'm looking forward to.

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post #48 of 131 (permalink) Old 07-29-2008, 09:31 AM
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How come you can see it in "Rummy" and Bush but not RP? I wonder....
So you admit that this administration has been a huge mistake. I'm tempted to say there is hope for you yet but...nah.

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post #49 of 131 (permalink) Old 07-29-2008, 09:55 AM
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You're a damned fool. Boots on this ground has had more change in this region than the last 6,000 years. What the fuck are you smoking?!?!

The only reason it is costing so much is because once we're here, we have to sit on our hands until the Libs get done with their whine-fest in Washington. This war would have been over LONG ago, given the right management. Dolt.

explain to me how you change a regime and take over a country with out boots on the ground...
bombing Iran is not going to stop them, it might slow them down, but in the long run the world is not any safer as long as that regime is in power.
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So you admit that this administration has been a huge mistake. I'm tempted to say there is hope for you yet but...nah.
Nope, they have made mistakes, but huge mistakes no. The failure to capture OBL and the open borders are his biggest mistakes, but he is in the same boat as Clinton on both of those and every other President in modern history on the borders, so I guess you can blame Bush only if you want, but your bias fronts you for being ignorant if you do that.

You keep forgetting you have the Bush hating goggles on and it clouds your judgment so badly you look silly. Hell, maybe the combination of your goggles and the sick little fascination you have for RP is why you come across so poorly. LOL

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