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Obama in Berlin

The last time 200,000 Germans got together like this it didn't end well



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BERLIN (AP) — Before the largest crowd of his campaign, Democratic presidential contender Barack Obama on Thursday summoned Europeans and Americans together to "defeat terror and dry up the well of extremism that supports it" as surely as they conquered communism a generation ago.

"The walls between old allies on either side of the Atlantic cannot stand," Obama said, speaking not far from where the Berlin Wall once divided the city.

"The walls between the countries with the most and those with the least cannot stand. The walls between races and tribes, natives and immigrants, Christian and Muslim and Jew cannot stand," he said.

Obama said he was speaking as a citizen, not as a president, but the evening was awash in politics. His remarks inevitably invited comparison to historic speeches in the same city by Presidents John F. Kennedy and Ronald Reagan, and he borrowed rhetoric from his own appeals to campaign audiences in the likes of Berlin, N.H., when he addressed a crowd in one of the great cities of Europe.

"People of Berlin, people of the world, this is our moment. This is our time," he said.

Obama's speech was the centerpiece of a fast-paced tour through Europe designed to reassure skeptical voters back home about his ability to lead the country and take a frayed cross-Atlantic alliance in a new direction after eight years of the Bush administration.

Republicans, chafing at the media attention Obama's campaign-season trip has drawn, sought to stoke doubts abut his claims.

In Die Welt, the German publication, Rep. Thaddeus McCotter, R-Mich., said: "No one knows which Obama will show. Will it be the ideological, left-wing Democratic primary candidate who vowed to 'end' the war rather than win it, or the Democratic nominee who dismisses the progressing coalition victory as a 'distraction'? Will it be the American populist who has told supporters in the United States that he will demand more from our allies in Europe and get it, or the liberal internationalist hell-bent on being liked in Europe's salons?"

Obama met earlier in the day with German Chancellor Angela Merkel for a discussion that ranged across the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, climate change, energy issues and more.

Knots of bystanders waited along Obama's motorcade route for him to pass. One man yelled out in English, "Yes, we can," the senator's campaign refrain, when he emerged from his car to enter his hotel.

Obama drew loud applause as he strode confidently across a large podium erected at the base of the Victory Column in Tiergarten Park in the heart of Berlin.

Police spokesman Bernhard Schodrowski said the speech drew more than 200,000 people, more than double the estimated 75,000 he drew in Oregon this spring.

He drew loud applause when he talked of a world without nuclear weapons and again when he called for steps to counter climate change.

Obama mentioned Iraq, a war he has opposed from the start, only in passing. But in discussing Afghanistan, he said, "no one welcomes war. ... But my country and yours have a stake in seeing that NATO's first mission beyond Europe's borders is a success."

He referred repeatedly to the Berlin airlift, launched by the Allies 60 years ago when the Russians sought to isolate the Western part of the city. If they had succeeded, he said, communism would have marched across Europe.

"Where the last war had ended, another World War could have easily begun," the presidential candidate said.

Now, he said, the enemy is different but the need for an alliance is the same as the world stares down terrorism and the extremism that supports it. "This threat is real and we cannot shrink from our responsibility to combat it," he said.

He said Europeans sometimes view America as "part of what has gone wrong in our world, rather than a force to help make it right ..." And in America, "there are voices that deride and deny the importance of Europe's role in our security and our future."

He said both views miss the truth, "that Europeans today are bearing new burdens and taking more responsibility in critical parts of the world; and that just as American bases built in the last century still help to defend the security of this continent, so does our country still sacrifice greatly for freedom around the globe."

In any event, he said, there will always be differences.

"But the burdens of global citizenship continue to bind us together. A change of leadership in Washington will not lift this burden. In this new century, Americans and Europeans alike will be required to do more, not less."
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Give a free concert of two of the most popular bands in Germany and look what happens! Cool!

Last time 200,000 gathered in Germany it didn't turn out too well.

Sadly, he decided not to go visit the troops recovering in Germany.

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Give a free concert of two of the most popular bands in Germany and look what happens! Cool!

Last time 200,000 gathered in Germany it didn't turn out too well.

Sadly, he decided not to go visit the troops recovering in Germany.
Nor did he visit the troops in Afghanistan and Iraq.
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Give a free concert of two of the most popular bands in Germany and look what happens! Cool!

Last time 200,000 gathered in Germany it didn't turn out too well.

Sadly, he decided not to go visit the troops recovering in Germany.
Why would he? They won't vote for him. But some over-socialist pseudo Nazi's LOVE the guy!

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Give a free concert of two of the most popular bands in Germany and look what happens! Cool!

Last time 200,000 gathered in Germany it didn't turn out too well.

Sadly, he decided not to go visit the troops recovering in Germany.
I saw where McCain busted his ass for not visiting our injured troops, saying something along the lines of "there's never an inappropriate time to visit our injured soldier's".

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Why the hell is a presidential hopeful campaigning in Europe anyways?

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Last time 200,000 gathered in Germany it didn't turn out too well.
Live 8 Berlin rocked well over 200,000 people

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Give a free concert of two of the most popular bands in Germany and look what happens! Cool!

Last time 200,000 gathered in Germany it didn't turn out too well.

Sadly, he decided not to go visit the troops recovering in Germany.
Just an FYI

http://blogs.suntimes.com/sweet/2008...not-to-vi.html

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BERLIN--A scheduled visit by presumptive Democratic nominee Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) with U.S. troops Friday at a military base in Rammstein, Germany was cancelled because the Pentagon told the campaign it would look too political.
http://www.politico.com/blogs/jonath...oop_visit.html

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Barack Obama's campaign issued a statement last night explaining that it canceled its planned visit to wounded American troops in Germany because the Department of Defense expressed concerns that it might appear overly political.
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2...t-with-troops/

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A visit to a United States military base in Germany on Friday morning was cancelled, stirring trans-Atlantic criticism from his rivals about Mr. Obama’s decision to take a pass on an opportunity to see troops at Landstuhl Regional Medical Center. But some aides to Mr. Obama said the Pentagon suggested the campaign should scrap the stop because it could be viewed as a campaign event.

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Nor did he visit the troops in Afghanistan and Iraq.
Try not to be so biased that you can't research first.

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KABUL, Afghanistan – Camp Eggers service members enjoyed breakfast with a Congressional delegation including Senators Barack Obama, D-Ill., Jack Reed, D-R.I. and Chuck Hagel, R-Neb. during their visit, July 20, to Combined Security Transition Command-Afghanistan headquarters. The visit was part of the delegation’s trip to American forces commands in central and eastern Afghanistan. In Kabul the delegation was briefed by Gen. David McKiernan, International Security Assistance Force commanding general, and Gen. Maj. Gen. Robert Cone, CSTC-A commanding general. Throughout their stops at Bagram and Jalalabad Air Fields and in Kabul, the senators met with service members from their respective states.

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Try not to show your ass when all you have to research is the media. Only a selected number of SCREENED troops were allowed to be in his presence while in theatre.
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Try not to show your ass when all you have to research is the media. Only a selected number of SCREENED troops were allowed to be in his presence while in theatre.

Well you can't make a blanket statement that he didn't visit the troops. I'm sure the DoD had some say on who he could and could not talk to. I'm sure the White house isn't making it easy to talk to the troops.

I'm not an Obama supporter, but even I'm not so blind as to make blanket statements.

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Well you can't make a blanket statement that he didn't visit the troops. I'm sure the DoD had some say on who he could and could not talk to. I'm sure the White house isn't making it easy to talk to the troops.

I'm not an Obama supporter, but even I'm not so blind as to make blanket statements.
Rumsfeldt, Bush and McCain get out around the base, shaking hands and speak to the masses. What's so different with this ass jack?



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Rumsfeldt, Bush and McCain get out around the base, shaking hands and speak to the masses. What's so different with this ass jack?
They are Republicans, and would like to keep it that way. If you don't think a republican president doesn't pull strings to allow or prevent certain things, then you are blinded.

All I'm saying is that we can't be so blindly devoted to one side or the other. There is a reason we have two parties, possibly 3, to prevent one side or the other from having too much power. It's called balance, and we needed it. Americans need to stop this seething hate for the otherside and open their eyes, because if we don't it's going to bite us in the ass.

AKA Republican controlled congress and white house brought us things like the Patriot Act, illegal wiretapping, etc.. (If you believe those are good things for us, then so be it, but I see it as a slippery slope.)

Just like a Democrat controlled congress and a Democrat in the White house won't turn out well either.

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I see 10 troops and one guy in a suit. What a man of the people!

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9 troops, 3 are white. lmao
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Well you can't make a blanket statement that he didn't visit the troops. I'm sure the DoD had some say on who he could and could not talk to. I'm sure the White house isn't making it easy to talk to the troops.

I'm not an Obama supporter, but even I'm not so blind as to make blanket statements.
LMAO! Guess who the source was that said the DOD told the campaign they couldn't vistit: "a few Obama aides."

And did you notice the overwhelmingly minority makeup of soldiers in that picture?

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LMAO! Guess who the source was that said the DOD told the campaign they couldn't vistit: "a few Obama aides."

And did you notice the overwhelmingly minority makeup of soldiers in that picture?
You have proof that the DoD didn't say that it would appear to overly political?

I swear you guys try to spin every thing.

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Because he will glorify the whole thing. "All injured soldiers must wear make up to talk to Obama."

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9 troops, 3 are white. lmao
Wrong.
Look between the black girl and the white kid. There is a guy standing up - White man security in case the blacks converge

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the DOD has rules...political candidates are not suppose to visit wounded troops, other wise they could be exploited for political advantage.
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Wrong.
Look between the black girl and the white kid. There is a guy standing up - White man security in case the blacks converge
Good call... i think that's a hand lol
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I guess what is different is 200,000 people that are not from this country or have any say in this country(as far as votes) went to see a politican speak. I don't care if he is Dem or Rep I think that's cool. Skidmark lol nice pic

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I guess what is different is 200,000 people that are not from this country or have any say in this country(as far as votes) went to see a politican speak. I don't care if he is Dem or Rep I think that's cool. Skidmark lol nice pic
But wasn't there a concert with 2 popular bands? The crowd looks younger...
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200,000 blind people in Germany. I bet being an ophthalmologist in Germany is a bitch.

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But wasn't there a concert with 2 popular bands? The crowd looks younger...
That is true did he speak before, in the middle, or at the end? Just curious who were the bands?

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