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Texas still plans to execute killer despite U.N. order


By ALLAN TURNER and ROSANNA RUIZ
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• March 31, 2004: The United Nation's International Court of Justice issued an order that U.S. courts must review the cases of 51 condemned Mexican prisoners. The court ruled the prisoners' rights to speak with Mexican consular officials after their arrests had been violated.

• Feb. 28, 2005 : President Bush directed state courts to abide by the world court's decision. He also asked Texas specifically to review the case of Jose Medellin, now scheduled to die by lethal injection Aug. 5.

• March 25, 2008 : The U.S. Supreme Court ruled that Bush could not compel Texas to review Medellin's case. Chief Justice John Roberts said the president cannot unilaterally carry out an international treaty without concurrence of the legislative branch.

• June 20: The Mexican government made an emergency appeal to the U.N.'s highest court to block the executions of its citizens on death row in the U.S.

• July 16 : The world court ordered the U.S. to halt the five pending executions of Mexican nationals on Texas' death row.

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Some facts about the International Court of Justice, also known as the World Court:
• Established: 1945

• Location: The Hague, Netherlands

• Role: Judicial arm of the United Nations.

• Decisions: Binding on member countries. No appeal, the court cannot enforce judgments.

• Justices: 15 justices, each elected to nine-year terms by the U.N. General Assembly or the U.N. Security Council.

• Lawsuits: Court acts on matters brought by member states; individuals cannot bring suits.

Source: New York Times Almanac
Texas will go ahead with the scheduled Aug. 5 execution of Houston rapist-killer Jose Medellin despite Wednesday's United Nations world court order for a stay, a spokesman for Gov. Rick Perry said.

The U.N.'s International Court of Justice's call for stays in the cases of Medellin and four other Mexican nationals awaiting execution in Texas came in response to a petition filed last month by the Mexican government.

The petition sought to halt executions to allow for review of the killers' cases to determine whether denying them access to the Mexican Consulate after arrest impaired their trial defenses.

The Vienna Convention on Consular Relations stipulates that, upon request, an alien offender's national consulate must be notified of his arrest.

In its order, the world court quotes the Mexican government's argument that "Texas has made clear that unless restrained, it will go forward with the execution without providing Mr. Medellin the mandated review and reconsideration," which will "irreparably" breach the U.S. government's obligations to the court's 2004 order.

The Mexican government reasons that "the paramount interest in human life is at stake," according to the court's order. If Medellin and the other nationals are executed without additional court reviews, "Mexico would forever be deprived of the opportunity to vindicate its rights and those of the nationals concerned."

Perry's office dismissed the argument.

"The world court has no standing in Texas and Texas is not bound by a ruling or edict from a foreign court," Perry spokesman Robert Black said. "It is easy to get caught up in discussions of international law and justice and treaties. It's very important to remember that these individuals are on death row for killing our citizens."

But international law expert Sarah Cleveland, a professor of human and constitutional rights at New York City's Columbia Law School, said if the U.S. fails to act on the world court order, other countries may follow suit.

"This can only come back to hurt U.S. citizens when they are detained abroad," she wrote in an e-mail. " ... When a global leader like the U.S. refuses to comply with its clear international legal obligations (and everyone agrees that this is a clear legal obligation), it undermines the willingness of other states to comply with their own obligations and it inspires them not to trust us to obey ours."


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Medellin, 33, was condemned for the 1993 killings of Jennifer Ertman, 14, and Elizabeth Peña, 16, who stumbled into a drunken midnight gang initiation rite at T.C. Jester Park in northwest Houston.

One of Medellin's accomplices, Derrick O'Brien, was executed in July 2006. Also sentenced to die is gang leader Peter Anthony Cantu. Three other accomplices are serving prison sentences. Medellin was the only non-American involved in the murders.

Wednesday's U.N. court decision in The Hague, Netherlands, was the latest development in an ongoing legal wrangle that has involved President Bush, the U.S. Supreme Court and the Mexican government.

In 2004, the U.N. court ordered a review of the cases of 51 Mexican nationals facing execution in the United States because they had not been allowed to speak with their nation's consular officials.

In February 2005, Bush directed state courts to abide by the U.N. court decision, specifically asking Texas to review Medellin's case.

In March, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that Bush had overstepped his authority. Chief Justice John Roberts said the president cannot order such court reviews without congressional concurrence.

On Monday, U.S. Rep. Howard Berman, D-Calif., filed a bill providing for such reviews. As of Wednesday, it was in committee.

Weeks after the Supreme Court's ruling, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice and U.S. Attorney General Michael Mukasey jointly wrote Perry asking for his help in obtaining the reviews.

The United States, they wrote, continues to be bound by the world court's decision under international law.


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Meanwhile, Randy Ertman, father of Jennifer Ertman, hotly denounced the world court's order for stays.

"The world court don't mean diddly," he said. "This business belongs in the state of Texas. The people of the state of Texas support the execution. We thank them. The rest of them can go to hell."

Adolfo Peña, father of Elizabeth Peña, agreed.

"I believe we've been through all the red tape we can go through," he said. "It's time to rock and roll."

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"The world court don't mean diddly," he said. "This business belongs in the state of Texas. The people of the state of Texas support the execution. We thank them. The rest of them can go to hell."


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first off I think they should be executed for what they did.

the problem is that the US helped to create this international legal system, we took a major role, agreed to it, and signed countless treaties supporting it, and actually won many cases because of it, not to mention countless American civilians and soldiers because of this international legal body. that said is it right for the US to pick and choose what international laws (these are signed treaties) it wants to follow?

if you don't like the treaty you signed then get out of it, but don't stay bound to it, and then pick and choose the rulings you wish to follow.

we went to war with Iraq because they did not follow the treaties that they had signed. we get work up with Iran when they do not abide by the treaties they have signed with the IAEA.
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In March, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that Bush had overstepped his authority. Chief Justice John Roberts said the president cannot order such court reviews without congressional concurrence.

On Monday, U.S. Rep. Howard Berman, D-Calif., filed a bill providing for such reviews. As of Wednesday, it was in committee.


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first off I think they should be executed for what they did.

the problem is that the US helped to create this international legal system, we took a major role, agreed to it, and signed countless treaties supporting it, and actually won many cases because of it, not to mention countless American civilians and soldiers because of this international legal body. that said is it right for the US to pick and choose what international laws (these are signed treaties) it wants to follow?

if you don't like the treaty you signed then get out of it, but don't stay bound to it, and then pick and choose the rulings you wish to follow.

we went to war with Iraq because they did not follow the treaties that they had signed. we get work up with Iran when they do not abide by the treaties they have signed with the IAEA.
Ya... look how the UN backed any of it too. Fuck the UN... fuck them and fuck the UN's mother in her ass... IN HER ASS!
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the UN is indeed necessary for international commerce, and countless other things.

and these treaties we have are designed to protect Americans abroad.
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the UN is indeed necessary for international commerce, and countless other things.

and these treaties we have are designed to protect Americans abroad.
Bullshit. They're ignored and they never take the appropriate action when their directives are violated. All they do is post protest to those who do take action. Get real.
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the UN is indeed necessary for international commerce, and countless other things.

and these treaties we have are designed to protect Americans abroad.
LMAO! You've had a few too many sips of the "I swear I'm a moderate" Kool-Aid, haven't you?

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I still find it hilarious that the US gives two times what the entire EU does to the UN hunger fund, and yet the UN still has the gall to bitch us out for not giving enough.

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I still find it hilarious that the US gives two times what the entire EU does to the UN hunger fund, and yet the UN still has the gall to bitch us out for not giving enough.
It's never enough, no matter what we do for 1)World hunger, 2)AIDS in Africa, 3)Tsunami relief, etc...

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you guys only focus on the things the UN does that you dont like, or agree with.
but fail to realize the benifits that we have all recieved from the UNs existance
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It's never enough, no matter what we do for 1)World hunger, 2)AIDS in Africa, 3)Tsunami relief, etc...
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you guys only focus on the things the UN does that you dont like, or agree with.
but fail to realize the benifits that we have all recieved from the UNs existance
Bring on that massive list, oh informed one!
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but fail to realize the benifits that we have all recieved from the UNs existance
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but fail to realize the benifits that we have all recieved from the UNs existance
You might should have left this alone. Is this a "Zara" starter-kit?

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For one it provides ample opportunity for DFWStangers to bitch about the UN.
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there is the big one...none of the worlds powers have gone to war with each other since the UN was created. because of that capitalism flourished, and after all war is bad for business.
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there is the big one...none of the worlds powers have gone to war with each other since the UN was created. because of that capitalism flourished, and after all war is bad for business.
The UN was founded in 1945. The Korean War was in '50-'52. Viet Nam from about '62-'75. We've whipped everyone else's ass.
The UN is a platform to beg us for money...

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The UN was founded in 1945. The Korean War was in '50-'52. Viet Nam from about '62-'75. We've whipped everyone else's ass.
The UN is a platform to beg us for money...
korea and vietnam were not at the time, nor are they now, world powers.
as I stated, none of the worlds powers have gone to war with each other
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there is the big one...none of the worlds powers have gone to war with each other since the UN was created. because of that capitalism flourished, and after all war is bad for business.
capitalism was doing just fine before the UN was created.

The UN is nothing more than a (mostly) US taxpayer funded organization run by communists with a primary agenda to promote socialism/one world government.

Here is some light reading for you.

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korea and vietnam were not at the time, nor are they now, world powers.
as I stated, none of the worlds powers have gone to war with each other
...and as I stated, it's because we whipped everyone else's ass. Who's left? China? That remains to be seen.

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capitalism was doing just fine before the UN was created.

The UN is nothing more than a (mostly) US taxpayer funded organization run by communists with a primary agenda to promote socialism/one world government.

Here is some light reading for you.

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^ The opposite extreme view.

Like any other bureaucratic government agency the original purpose was fine (averting war) and their tentacles reached further and further until it became the piece of shit it is today.
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...and as I stated, it's because we whipped everyone else's ass. Who's left? China? That remains to be seen.
Those assholes might fuck up our medal count this year.
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Those assholes might fuck up our medal count this year.
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capitalism was doing just fine before the UN was created.

The UN is nothing more than a (mostly) US taxpayer funded organization run by communists with a primary agenda to promote socialism/one world government.

Here is some light reading for you.

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Hey...does anyone know what 18 acres in Manhattan is worth? That's the property that WE paid for, including the building...

Oh yeah...the UN has a $4.2 billion operating budget, with 192 members. Guess what? We pay 22% of that budget, which is by far, the most. Go figure...

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well I know the U.S. has a seat in the U.N. but where is the Texas member? As far as Im concerned Texas is its own country and the U.S. and U.N. can go jump in a lake.


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well I know the U.S. has a seat in the U.N. but where is the Texas member? As far as Im concerned Texas is its own country and the U.S. and U.N. can go jump in a lake.


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"The world court don't mean diddly," he said. "This business belongs in the state of Texas. The people of the state of Texas support the execution. We thank them. The rest of them can go to hell."

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there is the big one...none of the worlds powers have gone to war with each other since the UN was created. because of that capitalism flourished, and after all war is bad for business.
Wow. You really are fucking ignorant, aren't you?

Despite what you have been told about FDR's social programs (which have in turned fucked us in the ass 80 years later) pulling the US out of the Great Depression, it was actually the wartime economy generated by a World War (WWII) that pulled this country out of the depression. It wasn't the New Deal, it wasn't the Tennessee Valley Authority, and it wasn't the Second New Deal. It was the stimulation that putting every able-bodied American to work brought, whether they were in a factory producing firearms, tanks and planes or were on the battlefield.

I'm not saying that war is always good for an economy, but it certainly isn't always bad.

And as far as your superpowers comment, what do you call the Cold War? Sure, the USSR and the US never had a head on collision, but they fought a series of proxy wars through/with other countries that all collaborated to be a part of the Cold War. Hell, the Cold War was an issue for the first 50 years of the UN's life, so your logic is well off base.

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You credit the UN for that?!?! BAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!
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You credit the UN for that?!?! BAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!
well YEAH
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