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"Sir, you can't fill up without your carbon ration card."

Sounds like an Al Gore sized load of horseshit to me!



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July 7, 2008; Page A12

While American politicians mull a carbon cap-and-trade system for industry, our British cousins are already contemplating the next step: personal CO2 rations.

A Parliamentary committee in May proposed giving all British adults "carbon allowances" that they would be required to spend along with, you know, real money when buying gasoline, airline tickets, electricity or natural gas. Britons who wanted more credits than they were issued could try to buy them again, with real money from those who hadn't spent their allotment. All of this is supposed to give people a financial incentive to reduce energy consumption and thus their carbon "footprint."

The Labour government, already in a precarious political state, isn't dumb enough to support the rationing plan, which Environment Minister Hilary Benn calls "ahead of its time." Instead, it favors a climate-change bill that Parliament is on the verge of passing that would lay much of the necessary groundwork. But eco-eager Britons don't have to wait for Westminster. A private test program for personal cap-and-trade began recently with 1,000 volunteers keeping tabs of their gasoline use.

It would cost a country like Britain billions of dollars a year to run a personal cap-and-trade system nationwide, but set that aside. War-time-like energy rations are a clear illustration of the extent to which environmentalists hope to control every aspect of modern life. Do you really want to blow much of your annual "ration" on that long carbon-spewing jet flight to Florida, or should you swap that summer AC for weekend drives in the country?

The global warmists want you to sacrifice for their cause. And the duration of their war on carbon will make the decade-and-a-half of British rationing during and after World War II seem like a fleeting moment. The pending climate-change bill calls for a 60% cut in carbon emissions from their 1990 levels by 2050. Once 2050 rolls around, who exactly will declare the end of hostilities?

The prospect of personal CO2 rations should debunk the idea that the cost of curbing carbon emissions would fall on the owners of dirty old factories. That notion was always a green herring: Like corporate taxes, the business costs of carbon reduction will be passed on to consumers. In that sense, we should be grateful to the Brits for showing us where this anticarbon crusade really ends up.
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Meanwhile the Chinese are burning coal as fast as they can dig it up...
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Meanwhile the Chinese are burning coal as fast as they can dig it up...
Hell, just south of us, Mexico has leaded gas, and R12 freon, and still shooting lacquer-based paints. You realize how hard and often the south wind blows?

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Hell, just south of us, Mexico has leaded gas, and R12 freon, and still shooting lacquer-based paints. You realize how hard and often the south wind blows?

All the damn time during the summer months .
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Screw a bunch of this. I'm moving to Mexico
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Hey, lets put a crippling tax on economic activity, that'll make the country strong again!

(but it will put money into the pockets of certain people (algore) - always follow the money)
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Hell, just south of us, Mexico has leaded gas, and R12 freon, and still shooting lacquer-based paints. You realize how hard and often the south wind blows?
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Politicians = Old White Men that rule/run the countries in question and could give a rats ass about anyone not in their immediate circles...
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Screw a bunch of this. I'm moving to Mexico
They have pretty strict immigration laws there.

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So trailer your vintage shiz across to get it restored? I'm down.

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I wonder?

How would these credits be allocated?
Would I, as a person who owns and maintains over 200 acres of forest land,
get more credits due to my negative carbon footprint?

While I realize that a large part of government is geared for grabbing money and creating an attitude to justify it, I might want to know how this resource of mine is to be raped.

I feel that something will arise similar to the water rights fiasco.

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How would these credits be allocated?
Would I, as a person who owns and maintains over 200 acres of forest land,
get more credits due to my negative carbon footprint?

While I realize that a large part of government is geared for grabbing money and creating an attitude to justify it, I might want to know how this resource of mine is to be raped.

I feel that something will arise similar to the water rights fiasco.

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You wont have the 200 acres soon anyhow, what is yours will be your neighbors as soon as the socialist gets into office
Maybe they will take his land and give it to some dirtbags like they did in Zimbababooeeway
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Maybe they will take his land and give it to some dirtbags like they did in Zimbababooeeway
more than likely they'll enact severe restrictions on what he can do with that land (ie: nothing) since it functions as a carbon sink, all the while requiring him to pay property taxes on it.
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more than likely they'll enact severe restrictions on what he can do with that land (ie: nothing) since it functions as a carbon sink, all the while requiring him to pay property taxes on it.
In a lot of states they already do this with wetlands. Florida and New Jersey are great examples.
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