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In his speech on national service Wednesday at the University of Colorado, Obama promised that as president he would "set a goal for all American middle and high school students to perform 50 hours of service a year, and for all college students to perform 100 hours of service a year."
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After all, Obama's hardly alone. Sen. John McCain is a passionate supporter of Washington-led (and paid-for) "volunteerism," as is President Bush. Sen. Christopher J. Dodd (D-Conn.) and John Edwards both campaigned for the presidency on compulsory national service.

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Wow , all I can say is he never met a college student that went to work for 45+hrs a week, school for at least 6-12 credit hrs. Id like to seem him tell hs and college students boss they have to leave to do "service" im sure they would take kindly to that how about tell the parents their kids have to miss a class to do some "service" that would go over even better. Doesn't his biggest supporters come from my generation? Well I guess if you looked at it in the eyes of my peers you would love it, it gets you out of work or school bunch of lazy morons. How can this damn marxist be so far into the game? 20yrs ago he would have been laughed at, WTF happened to society?

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When I was in highschool one entire semester of our 11th grade English class was determined by doing at least 20hrs of community service and writing a report on how it affected everyone involved. I refused to do it. I told the teacher and principal they were out of their fucking minds if they thought they were going to force me to do community service. We got in a huge pissing match and they thought calling my parents up to the school would help them on the issue. Boy were they wrong about that one. I told the principal to his face the only person that could force me to do community service was a judge and even then I'd probably just pay a bigger fine to get out of it. My parents were behind me 100% and that just pissed the teacher off even more. The teacher was dumb founded because she claimed in the 10 years that she made this a requirement for her class she had never had someone question the practice and refuse to do it. In the end the principal had to transfer me to another english class because of pressure from my parents. He hated to do it because with in 3 days 5 other parents were in his office demanding the same thing.

I've always been one to question authority figures. Not in a rude way, but more in an ethical way. Just because you are my teacher or boss doesn't mean you automaticly know what is best for me. I've never followed someone blindly and thought for one second they had my best interest in mind either. I can't stand some of the lemmings I come across in todays world. They are perfectly content in following the dumbest of ideas and people as long as they never have to make a decision them selves.

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I wonder if this fucking idiot ever stopped to think that the reason college students don't do much community service is that they are too busy working to pay for fucking college.
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Next week we will be posting on how Obama is flip flopping, and changing his meaning of "Service." I sure as fuck will not be doing any forced service, when I am in college. I am actually happy he said that, to make it a lot easier for McCain to get the college kid vote.

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Under Obama's plan of change, college students are no longer going to work. It'll be free to attend college. This in turn allows the students to peform community service.
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Lets see, I work 45 hours a week and go to school for 9-12 hours a semester. I guess I need something else to keep me busy.

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Under Obama's plan of change, college students are no longer going to work. It'll be free to attend college. This in turn allows the students to peform community service.
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Under Obama's plan of change, college students are no longer going to work. It'll be free to attend college. This in turn allows the students to peform community service.
Is he going to pay for everything else that goes along with attending college to? Hell tuision is the cheap part now-a-days

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it was not a problem to bring money to his house at 10pm.so why is it a problem to call and bitch.it wasnt a problem when we were all sitting around smoking pot together.yes i said it we all were smoking pot together.what now stupid.
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Is he going to pay for everything else that goes along with attending college to? Hell tuision is the cheap part now-a-days
Either way, we're still paying for it. He won't pay for shit. This way, it'll just force us to pay for everyone else's children.
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I'm sure this won't turn out negatively when people are forced to give their time, which is ever in short supply, when they don't want to.

There are people born with a servant's heart, and they serve others for the common good. Make it so people want to help, but don't force them to.

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I'm sure this won't turn out negatively when people are forced to give their time, which is ever in short supply, when they don't want to.

There are people born with a servant's heart, and they serve others for the common good. Make it so people want to help, but don't force them to.
Kinda kills the whole meaning of the effort.
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as long as they pay for everything its not a bad idea
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as long as they pay for everything its not a bad idea
Are you out your damn mind? What are they going to do, make me work between 1-3am? Plus what are they going to do when the kids says, ha ya right? Throw us in jail? The black community wouldnt allow this, its slavery!!!

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Are you out your damn mind? What are they going to do, make me work between 1-3am? Plus what are they going to do when the kids says, ha ya right? Throw us in jail? The black community wouldnt allow this, its slavery!!!
well its very simple. a normal college student has 2 classes a day, thats about 4 hours of time, that leaves you plenty of time in the day to work. and if students dont work, then they dont get money for their education.
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well its very simple. a normal college student has 2 classes a day, thats about 4 hours of time, that leaves you plenty of time in the day to work. and if students dont work, then they dont get money for their education.
I never took just two classes... that's for those lame-asses who wanted to make a career out of college. Anyway, the taxpayers still end up picking up the scraps.
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even if you do 3 classes a day you still have time to work a couple hours.

if you could replace at least half of the municiple jobs with students, the city would actually save money
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even if you do 3 classes a day you still have time to work a couple hours.

if you could replace at least half of the municiple jobs with students, the city would actually save money
Not really. Who is paying for their tuition?
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well its very simple. a normal college student has 2 classes a day, thats about 4 hours of time, that leaves you plenty of time in the day to work. and if students dont work, then they dont get money for their education.
If students work, then they have no time to do community service. I go to work from 7am-5pm, one class at 5:30-6:50 and another from 7-8:30, go home and study till 10-11 and then do w/e it is I have to work on for work until I am done with that. Normal college kids usually go to classes at 8-noon or 1 and start work at 1-7,2-8, or the ones with scholarships for either sports or music or w/e practice during those work hours then go home and study till 10-11. Not sure who the college kids you hang around with are but the ones I hang around with only have enough time to party on the weekends. You are going to make middle school kids work? You going to take away a kids right to be a kid? Not sure about you, but when I have kids I want to let them enjoy being a kid until they are about 16 cause things change then. I cant speak for everyone obviously, but there are TONS more students like me out there. Its going to get interesting if this guy gets into office to say the least. You think the protests in the 60s-70s were bad, I cant wait to see what it would be like today.

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Well if they were going to pay for my college that is one thing. That just raises another objection. I am not paying for some other kid to go to college. I had a relative keep going to college until she died to not pay student loans. TILL SHE FUCKING DIED!!! I know someone else that works at my job that is only going back because she can't pay her student loans.

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Not really. Who is paying for their tuition?
the government pays for their tuition, at the same time they work for the government. by eliminating government jobs and replacing them with students, the government will save money.
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the government pays for their tuition, at the same time they work for the government. by eliminating government jobs and replacing them with students, the government will save money.
And you think it's gonna be a wash?!?!? BAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!
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you wouldnt need a job if the government was paying for school, and covering your living expenses, just like most people who are on full scholarship.
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the government pays for their tuition, at the same time they work for the government. by eliminating government jobs and replacing them with students, the government will save money.
Why don't we just let the gov't pay for everything? Why would we want responsibility to live the american dream when the gov't can give it to us? Why don't we cut peoples jobs who have families to support, to let the kids of the parents whos jobs we just cut TRY and work things out? If the gov't took care of everything, our country would flourish. The programs the gov't controls now are flawless!

Seriously, just typing that damn near made me want to blow my head off, now I know why Hitler did it

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you wouldnt need a job if the government was paying for school, and covering your living expenses, just like most people who are on full scholarship.
psssssst.... hey, buddy... THE TAXPAYERS ARE PAYING FOR IT!!!!!!!!!!!!1
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the government pays for their tuition, at the same time they work for the government. by eliminating government jobs and replacing them with students, the government will save money.
Is this what Obama said, or are you just trying to come up with your own solution? Since when is a college freshman have the same qualifacations as a gov. employee? LOL

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you wouldnt need a job if the government was paying for school, and covering your living expenses, just like most people who are on full scholarship.
So I take it the gov't is going to pay for my racing expenses to? How about my car? My cell phone? I had that chance, I denied it for such reasons.

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psssssst.... hey, buddy... THE TAXPAYERS ARE PAYING FOR IT!!!!!!!!!!!!1
exactly. taxpayers are paying for education, and paying for government workers. if you could pay for a students education, and have them work for you, taxpayers would only have to pay for one of those.

many businesses already do this.
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well its very simple. a normal college student has 2 classes a day, thats about 4 hours of time, that leaves you plenty of time in the day to work. and if students dont work, then they dont get money for their education.
Do you have a college education?

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exactly. taxpayers are paying for education, and paying for government workers. if you could pay for a students education, and have them work for you, taxpayers would only have to pay for one of those.

many businesses already do this.
Bro... you have no idea how this system works, do you?
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exactly. taxpayers are paying for education, and paying for government workers. if you could pay for a students education, and have them work for you, taxpayers would only have to pay for one of those.

many businesses already do this.
LMAO buisnesses pay for school AND pay you. Usually buisnesses will reimburse you for what classes you took that will BENEFIT THEM. This is the deal I have with the firm I work with. Trust me, businesses do not do it to help you, they get to write it off at the end of the year, so they get that money back as well and get a better skilled employee.

I would love to see some of my peers go from a HS student, to being a policeman or firefighter, cause if we are going to start taking over govt jobs, we might as well take them all over haha.

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Is this what Obama said, or are you just trying to come up with your own solution? Since when is a college freshman have the same qualifacations as a gov. employee? LOL
you kidding a liberal would have students picking up trash in a nature preserve, this is my own solution, and its a cost saving solution. most government jobs do not require a college education, a college freshman would have no problem working in a DMV or similar job.

your still going to have money, just like when you have a student loan you still have money to live on and so things with, and go racing.
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Hate to say it, but a student loan isn't going to give me $500 a weekend to go racing on. Like I said this is my situation alot of kids dont have situations like me but alot do. The gov't controls enough of our school systems. Lets not start kicking the working class out, to let kids who are living off borrowed money in.

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look instead of paying someone 30K a year, you pay someone 10K a semester.
that money goes straight to the school.
the school then deducts the tuition and cuts the student a check for the remainder.
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look instead of paying someone 30K a year, you pay someone 10K a semester.
that money goes straight to the school.
the school then deducts the tuition and cuts the student a check for the remainder.
You're still telling an American citizen what to do with their life, and at the end of the day that is inherently unamerican and should NEVER be implemented into this country.

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Hate to say it, but a student loan isn't going to give me $500 a weekend to go racing on. Like I said this is my situation alot of kids dont have situations like me but alot do. The gov't controls enough of our school systems. Lets not start kicking the working class out, to let kids who are living off borrowed money in.
we are not going to force people to work for the government, rather offer them the opertunity. if people would rather pay for schooll them selves, thats fine, let them do it. but if they want taxpayer dollars for school, why cant they work for the people a little bit?
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we are not going to force people to work for the government, rather offer them the opertunity. if people would rather pay for schooll them selves, thats fine, let them do it. but if they want taxpayer dollars for school, why cant they work for the people a little bit?
Work for the people? Dude your living in a fantasy world. If they work for us we can pay them and we all win without any repercutions. Sorry man real world doesn't work that way. Tax payers dont want to pay for their neighbors kid to go to school. You let the gov't control what the kids do, you have HUGE problems when those kids become adults. Dude you are sounding more and more like a socialist with trying to nationalize schooling and jobs. Do you realize what kind of jobs are out there run by the gov't? I would love for some college freshman to try and do my grandfathers job at the mint. If your going to implement that kind of system, you will have to implement it for all gov't jobs. There are to many college students that would take advantage of it.

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we are not going to force people to work for the government, rather offer them the opertunity. if people would rather pay for schooll them selves, thats fine, let them do it. but if they want taxpayer dollars for school, why cant they work for the people a little bit?
It is not the taxpayer's job to pay for students to go to school.

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What would happen to all the gov't workers that are replaced with "free" labor?
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They magically disappear into the Obamaland world of puppy dog kisses, candy cane lightpoles and horseshit that smells like roses.
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You can tell Cannon not only has not gone to school but it's doubtful if he's had a job. What about those who are on Voc rehab through the VA? Or those who have loans out but are also disabled? Where does this fit in?
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i dont get the reasoning behind this. the current generation has spent more collective hours volunteering than any prior generation. Just take a look at the huge explosion to mission trips. At TCU, quite a few of the kids go down to central america to do volunteer work.

A great way to destroy a passion is to make it mandatory.
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i dont get the reasoning behind this. the current generation has spent more collective hours volunteering than any prior generation. Just take a look at the huge explosion to mission trips. At TCU, quite a few of the kids go down to central america to do volunteer work.

A great way to destroy a passion is to make it mandatory.
Something else that not many people are looking at... they will also dictate where the "volunteering" takes place.
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Something else that not many people are looking at... they will also dictate where the "volunteering" takes place.
Denny, do a big favor for me, tell all the soldiers you see how thankful I am for fighting for my freedom to do as I choose.
Hopefully they'll tell this half-breed when he goes over there why they do what they do and why he is an asshole.

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Denny, do a big favor for me, tell all the soldiers you see how thankful I am for fighting for my freedom to do as I choose.
Hopefully they'll tell this half-breed when he goes over there why they do what they do and why he is an asshole.
Will do. Unfortunately, I don't think I or the troops will get the pleasure of meeting BO.
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I've isolated the only intelligent words out of 9 posts in this thread.

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