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Iraq - Army report - On Point II

The Army report came out today.
The Army's historical study on what happened in Iraq from May 2003 to January 2005. You can download it, 103 Meg pdf file.

http://usacac.army.mil/CAC2/CSI/OP2.asp

Title: On Point II

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On Point II is the US Army's first historical study of its campaign in Iraq in the decisive eighteen months following the overthrow of the Baathist regime in April 2003. The book examines both the high-level decisions that shaped military operations after May 2003 as well as the effects of those decisions on units and Soldiers who became responsible for conducting those operations.

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post #2 of 17 (permalink) Old 07-01-2008, 03:39 AM
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(As of the last few days):

Iraqi pilots were allowed to use LIVE rockets for practice for the first time.

Al Anbar Providence was released to the Iraqi military for them to take administrative responsibilities. This is the 10th out of 13 providences released back to the Iraqis. We're still there in a support role.

Roughly 1/3 of all searches/raids are being conducted by Iraqis, with our military's oversight and securing the perimeter (basically changing roles with the Iraqis).
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You mean the US Army is equpping and training the Iraqi military? If this was 2003 I would jump on the media bandwagon and say that would never work...
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It's a quagmire I tell you! Wesley Clark said so! And Wes is getting more press than Rumsfeld so he must be onto something
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(As of the last few days):

Iraqi pilots were allowed to use LIVE rockets for practice for the first time.

Al Anbar Providence was released to the Iraqi military for them to take administrative responsibilities. This is the 10th out of 13 providences released back to the Iraqis. We're still there in a support role.

Roughly 1/3 of all searches/raids are being conducted by Iraqis, with our military's oversight and securing the perimeter (basically changing roles with the Iraqis).
This disagrees with much of what I hear from the talking heads on my TV. Surely you're a crazy man!

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This disagrees with much of what I hear from the talking heads on my TV. Surely you're a crazy man!
Sorry. My intentions were never to disappoint.
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There are some good stories in the news:

Iraq getting serious about being a major oil producer.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25453428/
(I'm going to be LOLing if that Dinar takes off!)

15 of the 18 Benchmarks received satisfactory ratings.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25481841/

The Saudis are taking Iraq seriously as thet think their starting to move towards an established state. They don't outright mention it, but the Saudis don't want to increase production and assist in bringing down prices per barrel because they know once Iraq gets rolling, they'll be able to sell for less than whatever the Saudis do.
http://edition.cnn.com/2008/BUSINESS...udi/index.html
It's not a buyer problem like he suggests.
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I may not have agreed with the reasoning for going to war, but I think the "troop surge" is having an amazing effect. My cousin is guarding the Embassy in the Green Zone, and he says it's really better this year than the past two. I'll take his and Denny's, and anyone else on the ground's opinion over anyone else's stateside.

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That's good news Denny. Hell, it was disheartening when I was over there and I've had doubts if they (the Iraqis) could pull it off. The US and allies were there with materials, training and patience but frankly - I thought the Iraqis might be too scared or ignorant to learn how to defend themselves. ----without a dictator smacking them around.

Glad to hear that at least to some extent it is happening. Question is, when can we trust them to train themselves and not go corrupt after we leave?

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That's good news Denny. Hell, it was disheartening when I was over there and I've had doubts if they (the Iraqis) could pull it off. The US and allies were there with materials, training and patience but frankly - I thought the Iraqis might be too scared or ignorant to learn how to defend themselves. ----without a dictator smacking them around.

Glad to hear that at least to some extent it is happening. Question is, when can we trust them to train themselves and not go corrupt after we leave?
Never... seriously.

I think they've finally realized that they better get their shit together before we leave and they're sitting in the middle of the sandbox with their dick in their hand.
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UAE joins other countries by anulling Iraq's debt to them (Seven Billion Dollars).

http://edition.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/me...l?iref=topnews
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15 of Congress' 18 Benchmarks have been deemed "satisfactory."

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php...show_article=1






LISTING OF THE 18 BENCHMARKS
The 18 benchmarks, which were included in Title I, Section 1314(b)(1)(a) of H.R. 2206, are as follows:

(A) The United States strategy in Iraq, hereafter, shall be conditioned on the Iraqi government meeting benchmarks, as told to members of Congress by the President, the Secretary of State, the Secretary of Defense, and the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and reflected in the Iraqi Government's commitments to the United States, and to the international community, including:

(i) Forming a Constitutional Review Committee and then completing the constitutional review.

(ii) Enacting and implementing legislation on de-Baathification.

(iii) Enacting and implementing legislation to ensure the equitable distribution of hydrocarbon resources of the people of Iraq without regard to the sect or ethnicity of recipients, and enacting and implementing legislation to ensure that the energy resources of Iraq benefit Sunni Arabs, Shia Arabs, Kurds, and other Iraqi citizens in an equitable manner.

(iv) Enacting and implementing legislation on procedures to form semi-autonomous regions.

(v) Enacting and implementing legislation establishing an Independent High Electoral Commission, provincial elections law, provincial council authorities, and a date for provincial elections.

(vi) Enacting and implementing legislation addressing amnesty.

(vii) Enacting and implementing legislation establishing a strong militia disarmament program to ensure that such security forces are accountable only to the central government and loyal to the Constitution of Iraq.

(viii) Establishing supporting political, media, economic, and services committees in support of the Baghdad Security Plan.

(ix) Providing three trained and ready Iraqi brigades to support Baghdad operations.

(x) Providing Iraqi commanders with all authorities to execute this plan and to make tactical and operational decisions, in consultation with U.S commanders, without political intervention, to include the authority to pursue all extremists, including Sunni insurgents and Shiite militias.

(xi) Ensuring that the Iraqi Security Forces are providing even handed enforcement of the law.

(xii) Ensuring that, according to President Bush, Prime Minister Maliki said `the Baghdad security plan will not provide a safe haven for any outlaws, regardless of [their] sectarian or political affiliation'.

(xiii) Reducing the level of sectarian violence in Iraq and eliminating militia control of local security.

(xiv) Establishing all of the planned joint security stations in neighborhoods across Baghdad.

(xv) Increasing the number of Iraqi security forces units capable of operating independently.

(xvi) Ensuring that the rights of minority political parties in the Iraqi legislature are protected.

(xvii) Allocating and spending $10 billion in Iraqi revenues for reconstruction projects, including delivery of essential services, on an equitable basis.

(xviii) Ensuring that Iraq's political authorities are not undermining or making false accusations against members of the Iraqi Security Forces.
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There are some good stories in the news:

...Iraq getting serious about being a major oil producer...

...They don't outright mention it, but the Saudis don't want to increase production and assist in bringing down prices per barrel because they know once Iraq gets rolling, they'll be able to sell for less than whatever the Saudis do.


The oil/gas/fuel going through the roof is nothing but a clever political ploy. Will this Iraqi oil start hitting the market just before November, dropping these prices through the floor? That could possibly sway a few undecideds to the conservative side of the aisle...
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The oil/gas/fuel going through the roof is nothing but a clever political ploy. Will this Iraqi oil start hitting the market just before November, dropping these prices through the floor? That could possibly sway a few undecideds to the conservative side of the aisle...
Sad part is at this point I don't care much - they got me screaming uncle.

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Sad part is at this point I don't care much - they got me screaming uncle.
HAHA!!!! Tapping out before your tank fills up.
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Up to last year (2007), about 20% of our in-theare convoys were attacked in one way or another. I just heard the report that the percentage is currently at 1.5%... ya, that's a decimal there!
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