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post #2 of 43 (permalink) Old 06-29-2008, 10:05 PM
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I think that if Obama becomes President then where pretty muched fucked

well duh... . Fucked as in higher taxes, more gun bans, catering to other countries....that kind of fucked?

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Personally, I'm going with you are pretty much fucked regardless. My 7 year old could put together better spelling.
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Personally, I'm going with you are pretty much fucked regardless. My 7 year old could put together better spelling.
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I think we are fucked either way...if we can get the McCain from 8 months ago we would be fine. the McCain who said tax cuts during war time were idiotic, did not favor torture, had an energy policy that involved less oil dependency. as a McCain supporter for many years, I was disappointed when he changed his positions.

as for Obama, I can see why people like him, more money for college students, more benefits poor and working class, tax breaks for middle class. but of course he wants to raise the capital gains tax which is going to hurt anyone like me who makes a living trading options.
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I think we are fucked either way...if we can get the McCain from 8 months ago we would be fine. the McCain who said tax cuts during war time were idiotic, did not favor torture, had an energy policy that involved less oil dependency. as a McCain supporter for many years, I was disappointed when he changed his positions.

as for Obama, I can see why people like him, more money for college students, more benefits poor and working class, tax breaks for middle class. but of course he wants to raise the capital gains tax which is going to hurt anyone like me who makes a living trading options.
Raising taxes will hurt EVERYONE. Let's face it...a CEO will not give up net income, even if it means turning working-class employee's loose.

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Raising taxes will hurt EVERYONE. Let's face it...a CEO will not give up net income, even if it means turning working-class employee's loose.
the idea that wealthy Americans will some how punish lower class Americans if their taxes are raised is absurd. just like the notion that cutting the taxes for the wealthiest Americans would some how lead their savings to trickle down and find its way into the pockets of the lower class Americans. it just does not happen

however, if we cut taxes and borrow money instead, that hurts lower class people the most, because it breads inflation.
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the idea that wealthy Americans will some how punish lower class Americans if their taxes are raised is absurd. just like the notion that cutting the taxes for the wealthiest Americans would some how lead their savings to trickle down and find its way into the pockets of the lower class Americans. it just does not happen

however, if we cut taxes and borrow money instead, that hurts lower class people the most, because it breads inflation.
So what you are saying is that Mrs. Bairds is behind this whole inflation thing? That yeast is inflating our economy? I guess we can link the yeast to the corn. If one were making a corn based "Shine" then yeast would be involved. Since corn ethanol is "supposed" to ease oil dependency, we can therefore link it to the fuel prices, therefore leading to the trouble with our economy. Holy Shit we solved our problems.

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the idea that wealthy Americans will some how punish lower class Americans if their taxes are raised is absurd. just like the notion that cutting the taxes for the wealthiest Americans would some how lead their savings to trickle down and find its way into the pockets of the lower class Americans. it just does not happen

however, if we cut taxes and borrow money instead, that hurts lower class people the most, because it breads inflation.
So you think the wealthy will change their lifestyle if they can cut back on employee's to make up for it? You're not being realistic. I'll go with the Reagan economic strategy, rather than the Jimma Carter plan...

"Punishment" is such a strong word...they wouldn't do it intentionally, but they would do it nonetheless.

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So you think the wealthy will change their lifestyle if they can cut back on employee's to make up for it? You're not being realistic. I'll go with the Reagan economic strategy, rather than the Jimma Carter plan...

"Punishment" is such a strong word...they wouldn't do it intentionally, but they would do it nonetheless.
in the last 5 years wealthy americans in particular have lost out big time due to the economy, thanks to the market, and inflation, and several other factors. over 15% of their wealth according to Forbes, yet we have not seen mass layoffs (though unemployment is up, slightly)

I am all for cutting taxes, but if you cut taxes you need to spend less for it to work, otherwise you have to borrow money to make up for the difference. where is the money going to come from to pay off our debts? at some point that money has to be paid back
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in the last 5 years wealthy americans in particular have lost out big time due to the economy, thanks to the market, and inflation, and several other factors. over 15% of their wealth according to Forbes, yet we have not seen mass layoffs (though unemployment is up, slightly)

I am all for cutting taxes, but if you cut taxes you need to spend less for it to work, otherwise you have to borrow money to make up for the difference. where is the money going to come from to pay off our debts? at some point that money has to be paid back
There are more millionaires by far, than ever before (also a Forbes reference). A lot of lay-offs in larger companies, are middle-management positions. We can guess why...The wealthy will not miss so much as a Bentley payment, if they can cut loose a few "working-class" folk. The rich make this country run, like it or not.

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I think that if Obama becomes President then where pretty muched fucked
I think what's really going to fuck us is that you're a decent representation of the fuckheaded retards of my generation.

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There are more millionaires by far, than ever before (also a Forbes reference). A lot of lay-offs in larger companies, are middle-management positions. We can guess why...The wealthy will not miss so much as a Bentley payment, if they can cut loose a few "working-class" folk. The rich make this country run, like it or not.
its not the rich that make this country run. Capital makes this country run, and there is a difference.
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its not the rich that make this country run. Capital makes this country run, and there is a difference.
And who has the "capital"? Call it what you want...

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Rich control the money, so...
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not every rich person has capital, and just because you have capital does not mean you are rich.
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not every rich person has capital, and just because you have capital does not mean you are rich.
The fuck?
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not every rich person has capital, and just because you have capital does not mean you are rich.
You're extremely wrong about that, but capital can get you into the Capitol.

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The fuck?
I'm getting the "tired head" here. It's semantics, now. It's like, Liberal Economics 101 or some-such.
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I don't think he even knows. I'm tempted to think this is Zara's new screen name, but he hasn't pulled the philosophy card..... Yet.
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I think what's really going to fuck us is that you're a decent representation of the fuckheaded retards of my generation.
You know what is really sad? That new Wall-e movie is about how bad humans are with global warming and such, so if the generation behind us is learning that stuff so young dont just think our generation is bad, think of the next one behind us. Were all f*cked in the long run no matter who becomes president.

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So what you are saying is that Mrs. Bairds is behind this whole inflation thing? That yeast is inflating our economy? I guess we can link the yeast to the corn. If one were making a corn based "Shine" then yeast would be involved. Since corn ethanol is "supposed" to ease oil dependency, we can therefore link it to the fuel prices, therefore leading to the trouble with our economy. Holy Shit we solved our problems.
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So what you are saying is that Mrs. Bairds is behind this whole inflation thing? That yeast is inflating our economy? I guess we can link the yeast to the corn. If one were making a corn based "Shine" then yeast would be involved. Since corn ethanol is "supposed" to ease oil dependency, we can therefore link it to the fuel prices, therefore leading to the trouble with our economy. Holy Shit we solved our problems.
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capital and money are seperate things. money is liquidits very simple.
capital can be money, but it can also be property, commodity, venture, or patten.
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capital and money are seperate things. money is liquidits very simple.
capital can be money, but it can also be property, commodity, venture, or patten.
You really are fucking retarded, aren't you?

Money is capital, as is anything that you own of any kind of worth. Yes, money is a liquid asset, but I don't understand what that has to do with this conversation.

Anyone who can be defined as "wealthy" will most likely have a decent amount of "money", but much of their wealth will be tied up in things like property, land, and commodities.

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You really are fucking retarded, aren't you?

Money is capital, as is anything that you own of any kind of worth. Yes, money is a liquid asset, but I don't understand what that has to do with this conversation.

Anyone who can be defined as "wealthy" will most likely have a decent amount of "money", but much of their wealth will be tied up in things like property, land, and commodities.
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You really are fucking retarded, aren't you?

Money is capital, as is anything that you own of any kind of worth. Yes, money is a liquid asset, but I don't understand what that has to do with this conversation.

Anyone who can be defined as "wealthy" will most likely have a decent amount of "money", but much of their wealth will be tied up in things like property, land, and commodities.
exactly what I said...the whole point of the arguement was who controls america the rich or capital. with out getting to indepth into economic theory, my arguement was for capital.
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capital and money are seperate things. money is liquidits very simple.
capital can be money, but it can also be property, commodity, venture, or patten.
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not every rich person has capital, and just because you have capital does not mean you are rich.
Your posts make no sense, capital and money are seperate things but capital and money are the same?? Rich people have money but arent rich cause they dont have capital which in turn is money which is also assets that they may or may not have because they are rich with capital and the rich dont control the country the capital does which the rich cant have because they have money and not capital but capital and money are the same but different?

There might be a point that you are trying to make in all your jumble of non-sense, but I am not smart enough to de-code it!!!

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Your posts make no sense, capital and money are seperate things but capital and money are the same?? Rich people have money but arent rich cause they dont have capital which in turn is money which is also assets that they may or may not have because they are rich with capital and the rich dont control the country the capital does which the rich cant have because they have money and not capital but capital and money are the same but different?

BTW thats the jumble of non-sense that I am getting out of your posts......My god i need a bottle of tylenol extra strength now lmao

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in the last 5 years wealthy americans in particular have lost out big time due to the economy, thanks to the market, and inflation, and several other factors. over 15% of their wealth according to Forbes, yet we have not seen mass layoffs (though unemployment is up, slightly)
Really.

FUCK! I better look at my net worth spreadsheets again. I must have miscalculated!

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Oh yea... money is just a medium of exchange. Nothing more and nothing less. In America is has value (well, its getting less valuable) because we believe it has value.

It made it easier to exchange goods and services. In the really old days you might need service X and you had a cow to exchange. The person supplying service X might not need a cow but he may need some carpenter work. So you find a carpenter who needs a cow and either you exchange the service (cow for carpentry) or if the person with service X knew the carpenter you might just do a three way trade.

Money made it easier to make this happen. As long as everyone wants money it works out really well. It allowed services and products to expand. It was a great invention.

Money has a capital value because people, for now, are willing to exchange goods and services for it. I can exchange the $600 in my pocket for a new lawn mower at Home Depot, for example. Personally I'd rather exchange it for some beer and loose women.
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Money has a capital value because people, for now, are willing to exchange goods and services for it. I can exchange the $600 in my pocket for a new lawn mower at Home Depot, for example. Personally I'd rather exchange it for some beer and loose women.
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Your posts make no sense, capital and money are seperate things but capital and money are the same?? Rich people have money but arent rich cause they dont have capital which in turn is money which is also assets that they may or may not have because they are rich with capital and the rich dont control the country the capital does which the rich cant have because they have money and not capital but capital and money are the same but different?

There might be a point that you are trying to make in all your jumble of non-sense, but I am not smart enough to de-code it!!!
they are different things, you can turn money into capital.
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they are different things, you can turn money into capital.
You can also turn capital into money, so they are essentially the same thing.
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You can also turn capital into money, so they are essentially the same thing.

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