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I don't hate democrats/liberals. In fact, I like them...

...sort of.

I don't really like the direction the Republican party has been headed in and I feel like the opposition has enough pull to keep the R's from getting too nutty

Can't the party just stick to it's foundation...frustration

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I like some of the libs ideals and such, but not enough to vote for that idiot.
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I like some of the libs ideals and such, but not enough to vote for that idiot.
I'm not saying that so much, just that without them pulling votes in various areas the Republicans would go off the deep end.

The democratic party is a clusterfuck though. Everything is in their favor, they should win, but I won't be surprised if they can't pull it off. Even if they do, Obama won't serve two terms.

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...sort of.

I don't really like the direction the Republican party has been headed in and I feel like the opposition has enough pull to keep the R's from getting too nutty

Can't the party just stick to it's foundation...frustration
Just asking here but what issues do you have with the R party and it's "new" direction?

Just curious because it hasn't changed much for 16 years in my eyes...?



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Just asking here but what issues do you have with the R party and it's "new" direction?

Just curious because it hasn't changed much for 16 years in my eyes...?


Are you paying attention? The Republican party is nowhere near close to it's roots. Not very conservative any more.
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Are you paying attention? The Republican party is nowhere near close to it's roots. Not very conservative any more.
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Reagan was the last true Republican...
No, that'd be me. LOL, not really, but if you asked some of the people on here.
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Are you paying attention? The Republican party is nowhere near close to it's roots. Not very conservative any more.
I said 16 years, not since 1940.

Ultra conservatism is going to die off so learn to adjust to somethings. Basic premise of the party is still strong with regards to interferring with business and the american way.

Of the two parties, I think the Repubs ARE making necessary changes to sway voters from the other party FAR more than the Dems are. Of course we all know, what they SAY to get elected, and what they do or CAN do after they are elected are totally different. Just because McCain seems more liberal during the election doesn't necessarily mean he will be afterwards...it's an effort to get votes, that's all. Although McCain is more middle of the road.



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Ron Paul 08! One of the very few real conservatives remaining in office.
If you're going to vote for Paul, you might as well just vote for Obama. He's the Ross Perot of this election. Just making sure the Republican nominee won't get into office.
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If you're going to vote for Paul, you might as well just vote for Obama. He's the Ross Perot of this election. Just making sure the Republican nominee won't get into office.
Bob Barr could also "Perot" McCain...

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Just asking here but what issues do you have with the R party and it's "new" direction?

Just curious because it hasn't changed much for 16 years in my eyes...?
Lack of fiscal responsibility, moves toward big government (TSA, Homeland Security, Patriot Act) making laws for one person, amending the constitution to LIMIT freedoms. It's fucking horse shit.

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Lack of fiscal responsibility, moves toward big government (TSA, Homeland Security, Patriot Act) making laws for one person, amending the constitution to LIMIT freedoms. It's fucking horse shit.
I guess I don't look at those organizations as big government, but more as poorly run necessary parts of gov to protect our way of life. Doesn't matter which party is in control though because if you have a government entity in charge of running something, they will fuck it up....keep in mind I work for the gov!

What freedoms are getting limited that are different from what the dems want? If you are talking about the potential AWB...let em'...I am good to go!

Fiscal responsibility....will never happen in any government entity...too many dipshits running things...again I speak from experience having to deal with it every day. There isn't one asshole in the entire USPS that understands budget control...except maybe me. If there are, they don't care to give a shit because there is no incentive to do any better. Same goes for all gov't organizations.



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Lack of fiscal responsibility, moves toward big government (TSA, Homeland Security, Patriot Act) making laws for one person, amending the constitution to LIMIT freedoms. It's fucking horse shit.
It's getting harder to vote republican when i see this bs going down. Yet still there aren't good choices left.
If the only choice is someone who won't win, it's just a throwaway vote...
I'll still vote repub.... but I don't like seeing all these changes after 9/11.
I for one don't believe that hype that blatant invasions of privacy and secret wiretapping is needed whatsoever.
I'm not about to let 9/11 scare us into ruining the freedom people have already died to have for their kids. Just look at the numbers of illegal warrants that were issued by their own counts/audits and you can tell there is a complete lack of judiciary checks in these. They freely gather intelligence on Americans , just or not , and then say they just made mistakes in gathering too much. Please .... I 'm not a fool- they're on a witch hunt, and in a part of the 'long arm of the law' that attempts to sweep up any thing and everything without any regard for RIGHTS.

Oh but "I've got nothing to hide"! Just keep telling yourselves that.
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WHOA that's rocket science there , that there should net up sum terrists!

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It's getting harder to vote republican when i see this bs going down. Yet still there aren't good choices left.
If the only choice is someone who won't win, it's just a throwaway vote...
I'll still vote repub.... but I don't like seeing all these changes after 9/11.
I for one don't believe that hype that blatant invasions of privacy and secret wiretapping is needed whatsoever.
I'm not about to let 9/11 scare us into ruining the freedom people have already died to have for their kids. Just look at the numbers of illegal warrants that were issued by their own counts/audits and you can tell there is a complete lack of judiciary checks in these. They freely gather intelligence on Americans , just or not , and then say they just made mistakes in gathering too much. Please .... I 'm not a fool- they're on a witch hunt, and in a part of the 'long arm of the law' that attempts to sweep up any thing and everything without any regard for RIGHTS.

Oh but "I've got nothing to hide"! Just keep telling yourselves that.
Theyre so bored now, they just ease drop on key words in communication.
WHOA that's rocket science there , that there should net up sum terrists!
Is the problem REALLY THAT widespread, or is it liberal hype? Honestly, I could care less if they government taped my calls, then maybe they would listen to what I have to say! LOL! I personally think a few folks may be paranoid about losing a couple points of privacy, but it is NOWHERE like China or some dictatorship that has you by the balls. You can still publically call someone a cocksucker or post naked pictures of your wife whenever you want.

I see bigger issues like how to keep american strong financially than a few trivial items regarding "privacy" needing to be addressed first. Just my $0.02 but if you think either side can make a difference, your barking up the wrong tree. The funny thing I find about the concerns regarding republicans in this thread is that you blame republicans when for the last 12 or so years, the lib dems have had control of washington....?



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if there had not been a 9-11 or the war what would your thoughts be ?

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if there had not been a 9-11 or the war what would your thoughts be ?
Hmmm, that is a good question. More than likely we wouldn't have any of the TSA or homeland security agencies and for the most part, it would be just like 9/10/01 which I was fine with.



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I see bigger issues like how to keep american strong financially than a few trivial items regarding "privacy" needing to be addressed first. Just my $0.02 but if you think either side can make a difference, your barking up the wrong tree. The funny thing I find about the concerns regarding republicans in this thread is that you blame republicans when for the last 12 or so years, the lib dems have had control of washington....?


Oh I do as well. And for the record, I'm not necessarily blaming anyone for anything. I consider myself a Republican. I'm just saying, there really are no true Republicans anymore. None running for President, anyways.


Big govt can kiss my fat white ass. So can Homeland Security. I don't have anything to hide, but it is disturbing knowing that someone could be listening... legally.... any fucking time they please. You know what I mean?
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ANY party after WWII is a joke (with exception of the Ronnie Regan years).
I don't understand how Ronald Reagan is Mr. Conservative. He expanded social security by raising FICA taxes. He passed amnesty for immigrants in 1986. He raised the Federal deficit more than any previous president.
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I hear ya.

I've been a Democratic since day one. And this will be my first general election to not be voting for a Democratic candidate. There are many people of my ilk that share the same sentiment.

The aberration that now constitutes the Democratic party is a monumental disappointment to people who identify and subscribe to centrist Democratic ideals.

Being as involved in politics as I have been all these years it almost physical hurt when Obama clinched the nomination. If you really care about the direction of this country then people need to really sit down and put this candidate under a microscope. There is a storm on the horizon. Socialism is right around the corner along with sweeping away the last vestige of patriotism and loyalty to the flag. Leniency, legislated sympathy, strong welfare states, and fiscal redistribution. Beyond that of what we already see. A lack of emphasis on the individual standing on his own two feet, but instead a focus on making the tax payers support the village idiots of our society. Not having to earn citizenship in any way shape or form, but instead being rewarded just by successfully sneaking under a fence.

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Federal government should exist to maintain our sovereignity, manage foreign and interstate trade / economic policy, work to secure national resources, guarantee minimum protections under the law, and manage infrastructure related to achieve the goals necessary for each.

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I think two sweeping changes would radically alter our crooked two-party system. Term limits and abolishing ALL FORMS of lobbying in local, state, and federal government. I think the founding fathers would have approved. Yes I know FDR served four terms. And I also know that moneymakers are ALWAYS going to have power. But to have them making the rules through lobbying is just unfair and sidesteps the power intended to be present in voting.

I'm a social liberal and a fiscal conservative. It's not my government's job to say who can marry. But it is their fucking job to spend my money appropriately.
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I wont vote for him for that reason. I did vote for him in the primaries though.

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I'm on the fence about providing assistance. I feel there is a lot of room for abuse of taxpayer dollars here - i.e, giving assistance to guarantee a vote. That is buying a vote by using my money! God that pisses me off. Generally - I'm against it, especially at a federal level.

I think two sweeping changes would radically alter our crooked two-party system. Term limits and abolishing ALL FORMS of lobbying in local, state, and federal government. I think the founding fathers would have approved. Yes I know FDR served four terms. And I also know that moneymakers are ALWAYS going to have power. But to have them making the rules through lobbying is just unfair and sidesteps the power intended to be present in voting.

I'm a social liberal and a fiscal conservative. It's not my government's job to say who can marry. But it is their fucking job to spend my money appropriately.
Can't argue with any of that. So has gone both parties. Aside from being obvious corporate shameless sluts, another part of the problem is the ongoing and continuous campaigning of leaders instead of running the country properly unafraid of pissing a group off. Impossible. I'm still hoping the 80% of non extreme and moderate citizens can take it back in time.

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MM2000 - there's hope for you after all.

Federal government should exist to maintain our sovereignity, manage foreign and interstate trade / economic policy, work to secure national resources, guarantee minimum protections under the law, and manage infrastructure related to achieve the goals necessary for each.

I'm on the fence about providing assistance. I feel there is a lot of room for abuse of taxpayer dollars here - i.e, giving assistance to guarantee a vote. That is buying a vote by using my money! God that pisses me off. Generally - I'm against it, especially at a federal level.

I think two sweeping changes would radically alter our crooked two-party system. Term limits and abolishing ALL FORMS of lobbying in local, state, and federal government. I think the founding fathers would have approved. Yes I know FDR served four terms. And I also know that moneymakers are ALWAYS going to have power. But to have them making the rules through lobbying is just unfair and sidesteps the power intended to be present in voting.

I'm a social liberal and a fiscal conservative. It's not my government's job to say who can marry. But it is their fucking job to spend my money appropriately.
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