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so, cut the money off?

http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/06/12/america/pew1.php

Seems pretty simple to me. If a country has a "negative" view of the US then conduct a review of whatever US benefits might be flowing into that country, make the country's leadership aware of the situation, and then withdraw US assets/benefits.
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I'd say the more pressing issue is re-instating congressional oversight of the Fed. That's first on my list in this country.

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I think the problem with that is that you cant really do that and still get all the things that country has to offer. All of the "assets/benefits" that we get from them.

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I've been preaching this for quite some time now. It'll save the country some money short term, but it wouldn't take long for the world to come crawling back begging for our money again. My plan, however, is to completely pull out of the world, be it military or humanitarian forces. That'd throw the world for a real shock.

Someone has mentioned it on here several times before, but the US gives twice the hunger aid to the UN than does the EU. Our singular country gives over $3 billion a year and a congolmerate of 27 countries responsible for 30% of the world's GDP can only squeak out $1.5 billion and the UN is bitching at us to give more! Are you fucking kidding me?!

I say we give the world the shaft; we do that, we maintain control. If we don't, we'll soon be nothing more than an average country with a large landmass.

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I'd say the more pressing issue is re-instating congressional oversight of the Fed. That's first on my list in this country.
L-O-fucking-L at putting Congress in control of fiscal policy in this country. That's the single most hilarious thing I've heard all day. You may not like Bernanke and Co. bailing their buddies out (I certainly don't), but you definitely won't like Congress in control, unless you're a socialist.

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I've been preaching this for quite some time now. It'll save the country some money short term, but it wouldn't take long for the world to come crawling back begging for our money again. My plan, however, is to completely pull out of the world, be it military or humanitarian forces. That'd throw the world for a real shock.

Someone has mentioned it on here several times before, but the US gives twice the hunger aid to the UN than does the EU. Our singular country gives over $3 billion a year and a congolmerate of 27 countries responsible for 30% of the world's GDP can only squeak out $1.5 billion and the UN is bitching at us to give more! Are you fucking kidding me?!

I say we give the world the shaft; we do that, we maintain control. If we don't, we'll soon be nothing more than an average country with a large landmass.



L-O-fucking-L at putting Congress in control of fiscal policy in this country. That's the single most hilarious thing I've heard all day. You may not like Bernanke and Co. bailing their buddies out (I certainly don't), but you definitely won't like Congress in control, unless you're a socialist.
I'm not talking about fiscal policy, I'm talking about transparency. Also, a central bank lending us our currency was one of the reasons we revolted in the first place. All socialist policies aren't inherently bad, btw.

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I'm not talking about fiscal policy, I'm talking about transparency. Also, a central bank lending us our currency was one of the reasons we revolted in the first place. All socialist policies aren't inherently bad, btw.
Congress? Transparency? I feel there's a disconnect here. Explain, if you don't mind.

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Fair enough, maybe Congress isn't the right group of folks. There's just got to be a better way.

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Fair enough, maybe Congress isn't the right group of folks. There's just got to be a better way.
Ha. Now that's something I can agree with. I've simply gotten to the point where I despise the government having its hand in anything regarding my freedoms, i.e. what I can buy, what I can drive, what I can shoot, what I do with my paychecks and on and on.

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All socialist policies aren't inherently bad, btw.
I dont see any benefits to ANY socialist/communist/marxist political system. EVERY single country that has been or is one of the listed above are either destroyed, third world countries, or are about to make a HUGE tumble in their economy. Just sit around and watch Venezuela and china rot. When govts become to big they FAIL, thats just the way it is and when a govt controls EVERYTHING the entire country fails along with all of the citizens cause they are the ones that get punished, hint why cubans hate cuba. There is a reason were still a diplomatic/democrative country, and thats because for the last 300+yrs it has worked better than any monarcy, dictatorship, military juntas. Please give me a socialists police that isnt bad, cause i have yet to find one that wouldnt destroy this country as it was built on. I mean c'mon, not to pick on 01WC but he comes to mind, but do you really think he would be willing to give up his money to others just cause the govt says so? They try and push socialism as far away from communism as they can and call it a social democracy to spice it up. All it is is a lightened up form of communism. Economys as big as the US cannot sufficently run on a socialists style of living, the civil war will look like nothing in history books if we ever truly become a socialist state and i hope i am not around if it does happen, but everyday we get closer to nov 2008 the polls show we are almost at that point

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I dont see any benefits to ANY socialist/communist/marxist political system. EVERY single country that has been or is one of the listed above are either destroyed, third world countries, or are about to make a HUGE tumble in their economy. Just sit around and watch Venezuela and china rot. When govts become to big they FAIL, thats just the way it is and when a govt controls EVERYTHING the entire country fails along with all of the citizens cause they are the ones that get punished, hint why cubans hate cuba. There is a reason were still a diplomatic/democrative country, and thats because for the last 300+yrs it has worked better than any monarcy, dictatorship, military juntas. Please give me a socialists police that isnt bad, cause i have yet to find one that wouldnt destroy this country as it was built on. I mean c'mon, not to pick on 01WC but he comes to mind, but do you really think he would be willing to give up his money to others just cause the govt says so? They try and push socialism as far away from communism as they can and call it a social democracy to spice it up. All it is is a lightened up form of communism. Economys as big as the US cannot sufficently run on a socialists style of living, the civil war will look like nothing in history books if we ever truly become a socialist state and i hope i am not around if it does happen, but everyday we get closer to nov 2008 the polls show we are almost at that point
I didn't say socialist governments, I said socialist policies. Should we roll back subsidized college loans and grants for poor kids? What about medicare for the disabled and elderly? Simmer down.

EDIT: More to the point, it's just a word. Don't let it hold that kind of power over you.

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I dont see any benefits to ANY socialist/communist/marxist political system. EVERY single country that has been or is one of the listed above are either destroyed, third world countries, or are about to make a HUGE tumble in their economy.
Whoa there killer. I'm a sworn anti-socialist, but you're missing the point. He's not suggesting that Socialist governmental systems aren't inherently bad, but that a limited number of Socialist policies within a Democratic system aren't inherently bad.

He's completely right in saying that; it works extremely well throughout all of Europe. However, that's not America. This is a country where our freedoms were designed to be limited only by what harm we could inflict upon our fellow man, not by what the government dictates them to be. Even if the socialist policy is for a good cause and would work well, it still has no place in our government.

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A socialists policy is the beginning of a socialist govt. It all starts with an idea.

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Whoa there killer. I'm a sworn anti-socialist, but you're missing the point. He's not suggesting that Socialist governmental systems aren't inherently bad, but that a limited number of Socialist policies within a Democratic system aren't inherently bad.

He's completely right in saying that; it works extremely well throughout all of Europe. However, that's not America. This is a country where our freedoms were designed to be limited only by what harm we could inflict upon our fellow man, not by what the government dictates them to be. Even if the socialist policy is for a good cause and would work well, it still has no place in our government.
Trust me i might have mis-understood him, its 2:30am and ive been working since 7am yesterday morning and get about 3hrs of sleep tonight so im a little out of it. Definatly could have mis-interpreted what he said....but ill have to decide that tomorrow

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Trust me i might have mis-understood him, its 2:30am and ive been working since 7am yesterday morning and get about 3hrs of sleep tonight so im a little out of it. Definatly could have mis-interpreted what he said....but ill have to decide that tomorrow
It's entirely possible that we're not seeing eye to eye.

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well hey this late at night(or early in the morning depending on if you look at the glass half full/empty)i see the word socialist and i start to cringe. My job relys on non-socialists standards. Nationalized heath car FTL lol

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well hey this late at night(or early in the morning depending on if you look at the glass half full/empty)i see the word socialist and i start to cringe. My job relys on non-socialists standards. Nationalized heath car FTL lol
Hey, I'm in no way advocating the complete nationalization of anything, but it annoys me that the ultra-rich can use Fed policy to bail out the hedge funds they're invested in, and I have to work myself into an early grave, the whole time wondering if I can afford to send kids I don't have yet to college. Fuck those motherfuckers!

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We need several things, cut off the countries that hate us, fair trade policies and term limits are a biggie. Career politicians are far and away only concerned about staying office.

Get them in, get them out before they latch on to the tit of nursing a career that spans 60 years.

And explore & drill for more resources. This country got to the top by giving people the control of their lives, not by letting government dictate our lives.

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Instead of money we should give out gift cards like we do Israel. It's good for business and it keeps them coming back for more.
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I've been preaching this for quite some time now. It'll save the country some money short term, but it wouldn't take long for the world to come crawling back begging for our money again. My plan, however, is to completely pull out of the world, be it military or humanitarian forces. That'd throw the world for a real shock.

Someone has mentioned it on here several times before, but the US gives twice the hunger aid to the UN than does the EU. Our singular country gives over $3 billion a year and a congolmerate of 27 countries responsible for 30% of the world's GDP can only squeak out $1.5 billion and the UN is bitching at us to give more! Are you fucking kidding me?!

I say we give the world the shaft; we do that, we maintain control. If we don't, we'll soon be nothing more than an average country with a large landmass.



L-O-fucking-L at putting Congress in control of fiscal policy in this country. That's the single most hilarious thing I've heard all day. You may not like Bernanke and Co. bailing their buddies out (I certainly don't), but you definitely won't like Congress in control, unless you're a socialist.
+1. If anything needs to be done about the Fed its that it needs to be ABOLISHED. ELIMINATED. DESTROYED.

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+1. If anything needs to be done about the Fed its that it needs to be ABOLISHED. ELIMINATED. DESTROYED.
I completely disagree with this statement.

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Seems pretty simple to me. If a country has a "negative" view of the US then conduct a review of whatever US benefits might be flowing into that country, make the country's leadership aware of the situation, and then withdraw US assets/benefits.
According to the article, President Bush's war on Iraq is the main source of the problem.
So, you suggest withdrawing US assets/benefits from Britain, Germany, and Turkey?
Your foreign policy ideas are even poorer than President Bush's.


Favorable views of America plummeted the next year with the invasion of Iraq, and in many countries - including close allies like Britain and Germany - opinions declined further in the ensuing years.

The 24-nation survey, which was conducted in March and April, shows that many people who have been following the U.S. presidential race expect U.S. foreign policy to improve when Bush leaves the White House in January.
It also shows that publics worldwide have greater confidence in Barack Obama, the presumptive Democratic nominee, than in his Republican rival, John McCain, "to do the right thing regarding world affairs." This feeling is strongest in Europe, Australia and Japan,

In fact, in one-third of the survey countries, more respondents see the United States as an enemy than as a partner. This view is especially strong in Turkey, a longtime U.S. ally in the North Atlantic Treaty Organization, and in Pakistan, a partner of the United States in its "war on terror."

And while majorities in all countries surveyed see the United States influencing affairs in their country, many see this as a bad thing - more than half of respondents in Turkey, Jordan, Argentina and, again, Britain,

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According to the article, President Bush's war on Iraq is the main source of the problem.
So, you suggest withdrawing US assets/benefits from Britain, Germany, and Turkey?
Your foreign policy ideas are even poorer than President Bush's.


Favorable views of America plummeted the next year with the invasion of Iraq, and in many countries - including close allies like Britain and Germany - opinions declined further in the ensuing years.

The 24-nation survey, which was conducted in March and April, shows that many people who have been following the U.S. presidential race expect U.S. foreign policy to improve when Bush leaves the White House in January.
It also shows that publics worldwide have greater confidence in Barack Obama, the presumptive Democratic nominee, than in his Republican rival, John McCain, "to do the right thing regarding world affairs." This feeling is strongest in Europe, Australia and Japan,

In fact, in one-third of the survey countries, more respondents see the United States as an enemy than as a partner. This view is especially strong in Turkey, a longtime U.S. ally in the North Atlantic Treaty Organization, and in Pakistan, a partner of the United States in its "war on terror."

And while majorities in all countries surveyed see the United States influencing affairs in their country, many see this as a bad thing - more than half of respondents in Turkey, Jordan, Argentina and, again, Britain,
You speak as if we, as a nation, couldn't be self-sufficient. You know how well-off we'd be?!?!
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You speak as if we, as a nation, couldn't be self-sufficient. You know how well-off we'd be?!?!
No, I don't know how well off we'd be. What do you mean by self-sufficient? Do you mean no import, export and trade? We are invested all over the world and the world is invested all through our economy.

We might be able to sustain ourselves in the long run, but I seriously doubt we could make through such a transition without a huge depression and pain first. You'd have to practically destroy the country to rebuild it into what you are suggesting.

Anyway, there is no reason for such extremes. If we want other countries in the world to have a better image of us, then we just need to revamp our foreign policy again.

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In past cases, isolationism fails miserably. Look at the japan of old. If it were all up to me, i certainly wouldnt risk it.
I agree.

I just think we should cut off the money we send to countries who are protesting against us, etc, when our money is propping them up significantly. Let them see what life is like without the "great satan's" money. Use that money here to help poor US citizens instead of ungrateful foreign people.
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I agree.

I just think we should cut off the money we send to countries who are protesting against us, etc, when our money is propping them up significantly. Let them see what life is like without the "great satan's" money. Use that money here to help poor US citizens instead of ungrateful foreign people.
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How's that help? You know what would happen if this country one day just became total isolationists? Collapse. You can not isolate yourself from the world cause no matter what you do you are still a part of it. Not only that, but you may as well get it out of your head cause it aint happening. ever.

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