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"We didn't get here by accident" - On gas prices, oil and the opposition

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/reco...0-h20080604-27

Congressional Record > Jun 4, 2008
AUTHORIZING THE USE OF THE CAPITOL GROUNDS FOR THE GREATER WASHINGTON SOAP BOX DERBY

The United States House of Representative

Jun 4, 2008
Section 27


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Rep. John Doolittle [R-CA]:

Madam Speaker, I have watched over the years on energy what has been happening in this country. Now we are in a big mess, with gasoline prices over $4 a gallon. This didn't just happen by accident; the Democrats have been working to make this happen for the 18 years that I have been a Member of this House. Very interesting.

You know, ANWR exploration, House Republicans, 91 percent of us supported drilling in ANWR. Actually, both houses of Congress in 1995, I believe it was, passed legislation directing drilling in ANWR, and President Bill Clinton vetoed the bill. The Democrats opposed this bill. If we had passed that legislation, if President Clinton had signed it into law, we wouldn't be paying $4 a gallon. And while 91 percent of House Republicans supported drilling in ANWR, 86 percent of House Democrats and President Clinton opposed it.

Converting coal to liquid, 97 percent of House Republicans voted to do that. Do you know that Wyoming is considered the Saudi Arabia of coal in the world? It is one of our greatest natural resources. 97 percent of Republicans voted for that policy to allow the conversion so that it could be used; 78 percent of House Democrats opposed it. It never became law.

Oil shale. We have got lots of oil locked up in shale in the Intermountain West; 90 percent of House Republicans supported oil shale exploration, 86 percent of House Democrats opposed it.

Is there a pattern that you are beginning to see here, Madam Speaker? The fact of the matter is, Republicans have supported every feasible possibility for new forms of energy and it seems like the Democrats, most of them, have opposed it.

I am a Californian. We ought to be drilling right now off the coast of California and Florida and every other place in this country where there are large oil reserves, and there are very large oil reserves in those two cases. Eighty-one percent of House Republicans voted to do that; 83 percent of House Democrats opposed taking that action.

Increasing refinery capacity. We have heard that we haven't built a new refinery in this country for some 35 years. Ninety-seven percent of House Republicans voted to expand the amounts of refineries; 96 percent of House Democrats opposed it.

Madam Speaker, we didn't get here by accident. Democrats have been talking about energy and opposing effective new ways of developing energy. Republicans' talk has been consistent with our actions.

Now, not all Republicans voted the way I would have liked and not all Democrats voted against our position. But the fact of the matter is, you see these statistics, they have been in the 90th percentile, the high 80s; in one case it was 78 Democrats opposed, 78 percent for the coal to liquid. But everything else I have cited, they have been 83 percent or higher opposed to these policies.

It is no accident gas is $4 a gallon. The policies we vote on do make a difference. Listen and look at the record. The Republicans for years have been trying to get more energy for this country. The Democrats have opposed it. We are reaping a bitter harvest of $4 a gallon plus.
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It will change. I'm not sure $4 a gallon gas is the pressure point but eventually we'll realize coal to liquid and the polar bears will be hiking up their legs and pissing on pipelines.

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Interesting for sure, BUT....

Prior to two years ago we had a Republican controlled Congress, not to mention the last 8 years under a Republican president.

Our current state of affairs is not the sole result of things falling apart in the last two years. Sorry, but it doesn't work that way.

I didn't agree with some of my Democratic representatives voting on some of those issues. However, only a shorted sited fool would place 100% culpability on the Dems.

There are well document oversight failures and failed initiatives on the part of the Republican party. It always cracks me up at the delusion of how in less than 24 months the Democratic party is responsible for our pantheon of socio-political crisis.

Extremely funny stuff, but feel free to carry on.

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Interesting for sure, BUT....

Prior to two years ago we had a Republican controlled Congress, not to mention the last 8 years under a Republican president.

Our current state of affairs is not the sole result of things falling apart in the last two years. Sorry, but it doesn't work that way.

I didn't agree with some of my Democratic representatives voting on some of those issues. However, only a shorted sited fool would place 100% culpability on the Dems.

There are well document oversight failures and failed initiatives on the part of the Republican party. It always cracks me up at the delusion of how in less than 24 months the Democratic party is responsible for our pantheon of socio-political crisis.

Extremely funny stuff, but feel free to carry on.
You just saw the figures the good senator quoted. You can wrap it up in silk, paint it two-tone, or dip it in chocolate, but it's still a turd, with the Dems "mainly" to blame. The environmental lobbyists' have an incredible grip on them.

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Interesting for sure, BUT....

Prior to two years ago we had a Republican controlled Congress, not to mention the last 8 years under a Republican president.

Our current state of affairs is not the sole result of things falling apart in the last two years. Sorry, but it doesn't work that way.

I didn't agree with some of my Democratic representatives voting on some of those issues. However, only a shorted sited fool would place 100% culpability on the Dems.

There are well document oversight failures and failed initiatives on the part of the Republican party. It always cracks me up at the delusion of how in less than 24 months the Democratic party is responsible for our pantheon of socio-political crisis.

Extremely funny stuff, but feel free to carry on.
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Interesting for sure, BUT....

Prior to two years ago we had a Republican controlled Congress, not to mention the last 8 years under a Republican president.

Our current state of affairs is not the sole result of things falling apart in the last two years. Sorry, but it doesn't work that way.

I didn't agree with some of my Democratic representatives voting on some of those issues. However, only a shorted sited fool would place 100% culpability on the Dems.

There are well document oversight failures and failed initiatives on the part of the Republican party. It always cracks me up at the delusion of how in less than 24 months the Democratic party is responsible for our pantheon of socio-political crisis.

Extremely funny stuff, but feel free to carry on.
Your delusion is that congress was "controlled" by the Republicans. Get a clue man...this country is controlled by the liberal minority who get 96.3% of the media exposure. Just because the republicans had a numerically higher count, the dems had enough power to shoot it all to shit. so goes the way of our government where no one party is officially "in control". Until someone stands up and says "fuck you liberals" we are going to be in the same stalemate we have been in since 1973 regarding energy and the environment. Sadly, it's probably going to take $7/gal gas and a complete collapse of our economy to get to that point where we have to REBUILD instead of just change direction.

Just keep in mind, if we drill an ANWR and If oil is going for $200/barrel on the world market, there is nothing stopping the oil companies from exporting it...which might not be a totally bad thing if it brings cash back to the US and strengthens the dollar...either way we are fucked in the short term...



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Democrats want only wind and sunshine as the energy policy. It can't only be that way. We need more nuclear plants. A single copy plant built every where. France exports electricity from their nuclear plants. Then we can use the nature gas to power our cars.
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more nuclear plants? are you kidding? You do realize how much toxic waste that creates that we have no idea what to do with? They are hollowing out mountains and putting the shit in there to forget about it, hardly an ideal solution. Nuclear power produces alot of power but i think the waste it creates isnt worth it. They need to figure out someway to properly dispose of that first!
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more nuclear plants? are you kidding? You do realize how much toxic waste that creates that we have no idea what to do with? They are hollowing out mountains and putting the shit in there to forget about it, hardly an ideal solution. Nuclear power produces alot of power but i think the waste it creates isnt worth it. They need to figure out someway to properly dispose of that first!
Oh yeah, toxic waste, coal fired powered plants release more radioactive material, uranium, thorium, and mercury then all other nuclear plants operating in the world today.

The USA is far behind on the nuclear plant technology. France is the number one user of nuclear energy. France has 56 plants, which is nearly 1 for every million people. In France, the cost of nuclear-generated electricity fell by 7% from 1998 to 2001 and is now about EUR 3 cents/kWh,

They have the most up to date plants. Their next "Generation IV" plants, which started commissioning in 2006, will be able to better utilize uranium, further decrease the amount of waste produced. Their current technology uses recycling of the waste, unlike our processes.

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This treatment extracts 99.9% of the plutonium and uranium for recycling, leaving 3% of the used fuel material as high-level wastes which are vitrified and stored there for later disposal.
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It should be noted that such Generation IV reactors are not necessarily fuel by uranium but by thorium, a more abundant fertile material that decays into U233 after being exposed to neutrons. Such reactors use about 1/300 the amount of fuel to power them. The Liquid Fluoride Reactor is one such example of this.
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France is generally cited as the most successful reprocessor, but it presently only recycles 28% (by mass) of the yearly fuel use, 7% within France and another 21% in Russia.[47]

Unlike other countries, the US has stopped civilian reprocessing as one part of US non-proliferation policy, since reprocessed material such as plutonium can be used in nuclear weapons. Spent fuel is all currently treated as waste.

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There are two prohibitions on offshore drilling, one imposed by Congress and another by executive order signed by Bush's father in 1990. Bush's brother, Jeb, fiercely opposed offshore drilling when he was governor of Florida. What the president now proposes would rescind his father's decision — but the president took the position that Congress has to act first and then he would follow behind.

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