Originally Posted by 46Tbird
I'm sure it's all true.
Is anyone satisfied with the way "the war on terror" has turned out after 5-6 years? Fuck no.
With no clearly defined objective for going in, and no clearly defined criteria for getting out, no wonder it feels like a neverending clusterf...
The thing is, is that's we're now on a different objective. As soon as we acomplish something, there's more shit to tend to. Not saying all of it is because of our actions, but if we leave it, it'll be considered our fault. These issues that we're dealing with have been going on LONG before we got here. Now I think we're not leaving until it's all taken care of (which is next to never). Now Afghanistan, on the other hand, is the real screwed situation. I'm surprised people don't point their finger more to that, instead of Iraq (not that you were). I don't even see Objective 1 getting complete, unfortunately. It's not that we pulled resources into Iraq. It's just because the task is more entailed than most people can really imagine. If anything should be labelled a "Viet Nam," that'd be a good comparison.
Iraq's problem is street gangs, corrupt officials, small-organized crime, etc. It's just like a large South-Central LA with different resources. They're breeding them as fast as we can bury them.
Improvements? Hell ya! Utopia? Nope.
The last thing about Iraq is definately not our fault by any means. We've guided them into political independence, military and police training, financial security, etc. better than we could have guided Hellen Keller through a whore house to get to church. The problem lies with the Iraqi people not wanting to take responsibility and run with it. As much as you hear people bitch about us being there, the Iraqis are the last people wanting us to leave. I do believe they're lazier than the general population of Iran.
Am I satisfied with the War on Terror? Yes and no. Let's count the major incidents we've had on US soil since we began this campaign... yep, I'm good there. Now let's see when this "war" will be over... fuck, I forgot. This isn't a war against a group or people. It's a war against a state of being. How does that end? It's like we're waging a war against racism. No matter how many you're gonna kill, there will always be more.
I think we all need to stop looking at this "war" to have an end product, rather look for specific objectives to be met. Whether we back out of Iraq, Afghanistan, etc., we're going to be fighting this war to the last day of existance. This is now part of a global way of life, like another world-wide business. Get used to it. Any child you see from this day forward will more than likely be part of this "war's" effort, one way or another. You can either close you eyes and pretend nothing is happening, watch it from TV and bitch about it, be a victim (which might happen eventually anyway), or dig your heels in somewhere where you think you can support the effort the most.