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31,000 scientists reject 'global warming' agenda

More than 31,000 scientists across the United States, including more than 9,000 Ph.D.s in fields including atmospheric science, climatology, Earth science, environment and dozens of other specialties, have signed a petition rejecting "global warming," the assumption that the human production of greenhouse gases is damaging Earth's climate.

"There is no convincing scientific evidence that human release of carbon dioxide, methane, or other greenhouse gases is causing or will, in the foreseeable future, cause catastrophic heating of the Earth's atmosphere and disruption of the Earth's climate," the petition states. "Moreover, there is substantial scientific evidence that increases in atmospheric carbon dioxide produce many beneficial effects upon the natural plant and animal environments of the Earth."

The Petition Project actually was launched nearly 10 years ago, when the first few thousand signatures were assembled. Then between 1999 and 2007, the list of signatures grew gradually without any special effort or campaign.

But now, a new effort has been conducted because of an "escalation of the claims of 'consensus,' release of the movie 'An Inconvenient Truth' by Mr. Al Gore, and related events," according to officials with the project.
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Has anybody thought about the millions of dollars going into AL Gore's pockets over this horseshit? He has found his niche, and has attained a new height of douchebaggery...

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The little ice age ended in the mid 1800's, where does the tempature go after the end of an "ice age" up or down?
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Has anybody thought about the millions of dollars going into AL Gore's pockets over this horseshit? He has found his niche, and has attained a new height of douchebaggery...
Has anyone thought about how much his little idea costed each of us with all the stupid regulations we have now-a-days. Hell he is the reason diesel cost so damn much money with the new sulfer laws

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Has anyone thought about how much his little idea costed each of us with all the stupid regulations we have now-a-days. Hell he is the reason diesel cost so damn much money with the new sulfer laws


It's in the billions, I'm sure.
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The real joke is the "carbon credits" that we are seeing among the rich now.

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If everyone would get there heads out their asses we would all be able to live much better lives, it took millions of years for this earth to develop and you think 100yrs of "a little extra co2 and nitrogen" is going to destroy it? Give me a break, you know what causes global warming??? That big ass yellow dot in the sky we see almost every day......

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If everyone would get there heads out their asses we would all be able to live much better lives, it took millions of years for this earth to develop and you think 100yrs of "a little extra co2 and nitrogen" is going to destroy it? Give me a break, you know what causes global warming??? That big ass yellow dot in the sky we see almost every day......
Hmm, it looked like a white dot yesterday when I was outside staring into it.
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Hmm, it looked like a white dot yesterday when I was outside staring into it.
They say its not good to stare right at it.....

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Every once in a while I hear someone mention 'global warming' in conversation.
Most of the time it's followed by a long silent period where I reflect on how stupid this person really is and why am I here listening to them.

At some point I come out of this daydream and realize I have nothing nice to say and leave.

If anything this whole episode has convinced me of just how stupid people are over here in the US. People will fucking believe anything they hear on tv.
Look at this obama guy. What the fuck does he stand for ?

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The amazing thing is the global warming idiots act like the earth would stay hot if it got hotter. If we really did melt the ice caps, it would cause another ice age.

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Lets melt em, i always wanted an excuse to go drag boat racing and drag sled racing

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Here you guys, especially you bark humping,sandal wearing nature Nazi's.
Read the article first. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7313264.stm

And then watch this propaganda video called science. http://news.bbc.co.uk/player/nol/new...ews=1&bbcws=1#
Does anyone see the laughable propaganda here? This is our Government attempt to make most out of the uneducated 3rd world retards to jump on the "blame the USA for Everything" bandwagon

Since when does Ice melt at perfect *90 angles for 26 miles and make perfect right angle corners

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Here you guys, especially you bark humping,sandal wearing nature Nazi's.
Read the article first. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7313264.stm

And then watch this propaganda call science. http://news.bbc.co.uk/player/nol/new...ews=1&bbcws=1#
Does anyone see the laughable propaganda here? This is our Government attempt to make most out of the uneducated 3rd world retards to jump on the "blame the USA for Everything" bandwagon

Since when does Ice melt at perfect *90 angles for 26 miles and make perfect right angel corners
The first article to bring up a very good point I'm hoping some phD scientist global warming expert on DFWStangs can explain to me...

Why, if any of this ice "breaks off" does it supposedly cause sea levels to rise.

Now, I'm not a scientist, I'm a bidness man but I do know if I fill my glass up with scotch and place some ice cubes in the glass until the scotch reaches the rim and I pass out and wake up and all the ice is melted... it all stays in the glass.

Does water in solid form take up more cubic feet than water in liquid form?

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The first article to bring up a very good point I'm hoping some phD scientist global warming expert on DFWStangs can explain to me...

Why, if any of this ice "breaks off" does it supposedly cause sea levels to rise.

Now, I'm not a scientist, I'm a bidness man but I do know if I fill my glass up with scotch and place some ice cubes in the glass until the scotch reaches the rim and I pass out and wake up and all the ice is melted... it all stays in the glass.

Does water in solid form take up more cubic feet than water in liquid form?

I am not a scientist either. But yes H20 expands has it gets colder. Ever seen what happen to a engine when someone forgets to add anti-freeze after the first night of below-32 degrees?
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I am not a scientist either. But yes H20 expands has it gets colder. Ever seen what happen to a engine when someone forgets to add anti-freeze after the first night of below-32 degrees?
But, when it goes from solid to liquid, then wouldn't the cubic feet required shrink?

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I am not a scientist either. But yes H20 expands has it gets colder. Ever seen what happen to a engine when someone forgets to add anti-freeze after the first night of below-32 degrees?
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But, when it goes from solid to liquid, then wouldn't the cubic feet required shrink?
Apparently not. It will crack a block no problem and push out every freeze plug and bolt in the block.BTDT.(from Wisconsin here) Otherwise Ask any engine builder. They can back probably tell better story's than mine
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Apparently not. It will crack a block no problem and push out every freeze plug and bolt in the block.BTDT.(from Wisconsin here) Otherwise Ask any engine builder. They can back probably tell better story's than mine
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I am not a scientist either. But yes H20 expands has it gets colder. Ever seen what happen to a engine when someone forgets to add anti-freeze after the first night of below-32 degrees?
So does beer. Makes a hell of a mess in the freezer....

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I should have paid more attention during 5th grade science class.

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LOL, you must be born after 1980. Just like the video I posted,Our controlling party doesn't want you to be to informed,or know the truth about most issues

That is a funny ass website though, Dave
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So does beer. Makes a hell of a mess in the freezer....

Put a another can in the freezer and give us a a report in the morning for the unconvinced posters

Just kidding
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Put a can in the freezer and give us a a report in the morning!
When my sons are over they'll put bottles in the freezer and forget about em.

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That is a funny ass website though, Dave
Bless you. Actually I graduated HS in 81.

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Hell he is the reason diesel cost so damn much money with the new sulfer laws
Can't really blame that one on Al and his hippy friends. We are just following the rest of the world, doing it wrong but following everyone else. Sweden gives tax incentives for using ULSD, Americans get it shoved down our throats at higher prices.

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Can't really blame that one on Al and his hippy friends. We are just following the rest of the world, doing it wrong but following everyone else. Sweden gives tax incentives for using ULSD, Americans get it shoved down our throats at higher prices.

Get rid of all that ethanol crap and start making biodiesel!
Hey now dont get rid of the ethanol, i benefit from that stuff, shit is cheaper and easier to get ahold of than 111 race fuel lol. Lets have both you cant make everyone happy but at least make me happy

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Hey now dont get rid of the ethanol, i benefit from that stuff, shit is cheaper and easier to get ahold of than 111 race fuel lol. Lets have both you cant make everyone happy but at least make me happy
Why not use methanol? It's made from natural gas, something that happens to be readily available here in Texas. No need to clear rain forests or waste millions of tons corn and billions of gallons of water to produce it. Just don't drink the stuff, wear it for cologne or breath in the fumes and it won't hurt you.

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Why not use methanol? It's made from natural gas, something that happens to be readily available here in Texas. No need to clear rain forests or waste millions of tons corn and billions of gallons of water to produce it. Just don't drink the stuff, wear it for cologne or breath in the fumes and it won't hurt you.
Cause methanol is harsher on engines and the costs of equipment to run it is over 3x the amount of E85 equipment. Plus e85 is still cheaper than methanol. I dont disagree E85 is a horrible idea, but hey im benefiting from it so ill admit being the hypocrite lol

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But, when it goes from solid to liquid, then wouldn't the cubic feet required shrink?
If you are referring to the volume of ice shrinking as it melts, then you are correct, the water will decrease in volume as it goes from solid to liquid form. However, the point is moot applied to an iceberg. A floating ice berg will displace exactly the same volume of water as the ice berg contains. Just like a ship, the water the ice berg displaces is equal to the mass of the vessel. So once an ice berg is afloat, it has done what it can do to the sea level.

I think the ice of concern is that which is land locked, gradually melting into the sea.

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I would have signed that petition. It is not news that sea levels are slowly rising and the Earth might be in a slight warming trend. However it is a HUGE and scientifically irresponsible stretch to attribute these phenomena to made made emissions.

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The first article to bring up a very good point I'm hoping some phD scientist global warming expert on DFWStangs can explain to me...

Why, if any of this ice "breaks off" does it supposedly cause sea levels to rise.

Now, I'm not a scientist, I'm a bidness man but I do know if I fill my glass up with scotch and place some ice cubes in the glass until the scotch reaches the rim and I pass out and wake up and all the ice is melted... it all stays in the glass.

Does water in solid form take up more cubic feet than water in liquid form?
The red herring is thermal expansion. But the problem is A) ise is less dense than water and represents more volume, and B) adding ice to the liquid cools it. There was a very good article in Nature that has been kicked around for about 7 years now explaining how increased melting would not raise sea levels because the amount of ice turned into seawater would be tiny, and the seawater would be cooled considerably in proportion to the amount of ice melted and added back to the oceans.

Then there is the idea that decreased ice would lower the albedo of the planet, but that too is questionable inside the polar circles, which are technically desserts anyway.
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... It is not news that sea levels are slowly rising...
It is not news because it is not occurring. Tectonic rebound is the factor most responsible for localized sea level changes. In areas unaffected by rebound the tidal levels mirror those of the mid-19th century. In fact tectonic rebound increases basin volume overall so glacial and polar melting could have the effect of lowering sea levels.
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It may be a joke but there's a lot of money to be made in it...
Very much so. It is a tax not on the air you breathe but on the air you exhale. Which means you should be able to hold your breath a certain amount of time each day and gain carbon credits.

You can do a double whammy, by not mowing your lawn so it will absorb more CO2, and then promising not to burn it.

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Then there is the idea that decreased ice would lower the albedo of the planet, but that too is questionable inside the polar circles, which are technically desserts anyway.
Thanks for the info.

Now you have me curious. Are we talking cheesecake dessert or apple pie dessert?

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Thanks for the info.

Now you have me curious. Are we talking cheesecake dessert or apple pie dessert?
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Link for the first post? Just curious if it can be traced back to something without a spin or if it's from something like an energy company etc.
Removing CO2 is somehow going to clean the air?

It isn't about pollution, it is about creating an artificial market and dining on the subsidies. And will be about as effective in any basic measureable way as regulating CFCs to reduce halide content of the atmosphere.
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Thanks for the info.

Now you have me curious. Are we talking cheesecake dessert or apple pie dessert?
Cheesecake sounds good right about now...

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The plants get bigger and stronger from our CO2, and return the favor with refreshing O2 for us to thrive on. It's a nice relationship.
Sort of like the move, The Bee Movie, I watched with the daughter last night.

The bees were excited because the courts ruled we couldn't steal their honey anymore. The bees were fat and happy and stopped working. But the flowers starting dying.

Mother nature needs humans and human consumption to grow as well.

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Hell, Mother nature loves all of her animals the same. We all consume her resources and she takes our dirty left behinds, cleans it up, and finds a way to recycle it.

She's a damn fine example of a woman.
Gives a new meaning to "knowing the difference between a twat and a hole in the ground" I guess
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CO2 is a colorless and odorless gas in the atmosphere that is measured in parts per million, or ppm. The vast majority of CO2 emissions, about 97 percent, comes from Mother Nature.

CO2 is nowhere near the most important greenhouse gas; water vapor holds that distinction. An astounding 99.9 percent of Earth's greenhouse gas effect has nothing to do with manmade CO2 emissions.

Ice core data going back 650,000 years show that global temperatures increase before CO2 levels. Data from the 20th century indicate no particular relationship between CO2 emissions and global temperature.

Tthere is no scientific proof that the current level of atmospheric CO2 or that levels projected by the United Nations about 700 ppm by 2095 if no greenhouse gas regulations are put in place has or will cause any harm to the environment.
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I have not been convinced either way on the topic of global warming. I'm waiting for more agreement amount the scientific community.

However, this site that the survery comes from looks pretty suspect to me.

http://www.petitionproject.org/


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The first article to bring up a very good point I'm hoping some phD scientist global warming expert on DFWStangs can explain to me...

Why, if any of this ice "breaks off" does it supposedly cause sea levels to rise.

Now, I'm not a scientist, I'm a bidness man but I do know if I fill my glass up with scotch and place some ice cubes in the glass until the scotch reaches the rim and I pass out and wake up and all the ice is melted... it all stays in the glass.

Does water in solid form take up more cubic feet than water in liquid form?
i believe the part they are worried about is the part of the iceberg that is ABOVE the water line.. once it melts it will add more water and raise the level of water because water fills the container it is in. Your drink doesnt overflow because the ice cubes are below the rim of the glass... Make an ice cube 12" long and stick it in your glass(where a cpl of inches of the cube are higher then the rim) Now fill that glass with scotch to the rim. Wait a few hrs and you will have an overflowing glass.


BTW I DO NOT SUPPORT GLOBAL WARMING AT ALL AND HATE BASTARDS THAT DO.... i am just simply explaining how melting icebergs can raise sea levels.
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If 31k reject it, how many support it? That would be interesting to find out . . .

I definitely don't think Global Warming is at all what it is hyped up to be by any means . . . movies like Day After Tomorrow & "scientific" reports/studies serve as scare tactics for the general public to believe it's as big a deal as Al Gore says it is. Reminds me of all this O-zone layer hype years ago and how nobody even mentions it anymore - they've already moved on to something else. Pretty soon they'll drop it and move onto dangers of airborne viruses etc.

"IF" it is in fact a real threat, we won't ever experience the effects of it as for we'll all be dead by then. Scientists and politicians are all caught up on the fact that our actions now determine the lives of future generations - would suck if we did nothing now, raped mother Earth and doomed our children's children etc etc.

This debate is retarded . . . why does it even matter? The dinosaurs were wiped out and we're probably next thousands of years in the future - either naturally, virally, global nuclear war, or whatever. Spiders and insects will survive - they can fucking deal with it! LOL

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This global warning business is such a sad thing to happen to mother nature. When are we ever going to learn.
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