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Is McCain in trouble already?

Last night the primaries were held in North Carolina and Indiana. Everyone is now calling Barak Obama the presumptive nominee for the Democrats. I think we've all known for about 2 months that this was going to end up being an Obama / McCain election but we've all had fun watching Hillary and Obama duke it out (I have certainly enjoyed it).

But last nights election had some interesting results on the Republican side (as pointed out by Drudge Report)

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North Carolina:

Candidate, Votes, Percent
McCain, 381,138, 73%
Huckabee, 62,917, 12%
Paul, 40,275, 8%
No Pref, 20,305, 4%
Keyes, 13,589, 3%

Indiana:

McCain, 317,837, 77%
Huckabee, 41,018, 10%
Paul, 31,481, 8%
Romney, 19,480, 5%

Of course McCain won handily but in two primaries where NO ONE was campaigning against him and he has already won, 26% and 22% of Republicans voted against him. Allan Keyes actually got over 13000 votes and I didn't even know he was a candidate. Romney got out months ago and he still got 19000 votes.

IMO that means that THOUSANDS of Republicans decided that the disliked McCain enough to get out of their chairs, get in the car, drive to the polls, and vote against someone that has already won.

I think McCain has issues and I still don't think he's going to win.

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Last night the primaries were held in North Carolina and Indiana. Everyone is now calling Barak Obama the presumptive nominee for the Democrats. I think we've all known for about 2 months that this was going to end up being an Obama / McCain election but we've all had fun watching Hillary and Obama duke it out (I have certainly enjoyed it).

But last nights election had some interesting results on the Republican side (as pointed out by Drudge Report)

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Of course McCain won handily but in two primaries where NO ONE was campaigning against him and he has already won, 26% and 22% of Republicans voted against him. Allan Keyes actually got over 13000 votes and I didn't even know he was a candidate. Romney got out months ago and he still got 19000 votes.

IMO that means that THOUSANDS of Republicans decided that the disliked McCain enough to get out of their chairs, get in the car, drive to the polls, and vote against someone that has already won.

I think McCain has issues and I still don't think he's going to win.
Of course he has issues. Name a candidate that doesn't. I don't like any of them, but will vote for McCain. Another interesting number(s) that came from last night, are the 50% of voters that won't support the other democratic candidate in a general election. Most libs are bitter (they live off of it), and will hold a grudge for years...just look at this board for some examples of that.

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I think Republicans are sending a message to McCain that he better figure out who he wants votes from or else he may go home empty handed in November. I know quite a few Republicans who are willing to give up the WH so that a true conservative can get the nomination after 4 years of liberals screwing things up.

It is up to McCain to decide how he will run his campaign after the Dem nomination is decided. If he treats the Dem like some equal and lets them run all over him, he will lose. If he decides to go after them on the issues and points how liberal they are, how their ideas will bankrupt the country (higher taxes and socialized health care), how they will not protect us from terrorism (like Clinton failed to do), and all the other important issues, then maybe he will win.

This should have been an easy election to win for a true conservative, too bad there isn't one running. This is still McCain's election to lose in my opinion though.

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I think Republicans are sending a message to McCain that he better figure out who he wants votes from or else he may go home empty handed in November. I know quite a few Republicans who are willing to give up the WH so that a true conservative can get the nomination after 4 years of liberals screwing things up.

It is up to McCain to decide how he will run his campaign after the Dem nomination is decided. If he treats the Dem like some equal and lets them run all over him, he will lose. If he decides to go after them on the issues and points how liberal they are, how their ideas will bankrupt the country (higher taxes and socialized health care), how they will not protect us from terrorism (like Clinton failed to do), and all the other important issues, then maybe he will win.

This should have been an easy election to win for a true conservative, too bad there isn't one running. This is still McCain's election to lose in my opinion though.
You're right. If he tries to run a "clean" campaign, he'll get beat easily. He's going to have to knee-cap Obama with the good Rev. Wright, William Ayres, and the fact that he is the most liberal senator in Washington.

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To some degree I think it would be interesting to have obama/clinton in the white house if for no other reason than for people to later talk about the good old days when W was still in office. Maybe whoever is desiring these liberals to take over needs a good dose of higher taxes, decreased US security, more government control over lives, and economic malaise to occur to understand what socialists running the US government will bring.

The conservatives don't get off easy either, they need to clean up their own house and return to the basic principles of conservatism IMO. McCain is not a slam dunk for the white house by any means; he is going to have to step it up once the dems quit fighting each other.
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The problem I have with McCain is I'm not sure which McCain I'm going to get once elected.

Am I going to get the McBush, or I didn't vote for Bush hammered him in the election McCain.

Am I going to get Campaign reform McCain, or lobbiest buddy McCain.

Straight talk express McCain, or say whatever it takes McCain.

Possibly running with Kerry for VP McCain, or I never never talked to Kerry about running McCain.

Cut deal with the dems McCain, or true conservative McCain.

No pork barrel spending McCain, or pork for only Arizona McCain.


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To some degree I think it would be interesting to have obama/clinton in the white house if for no other reason than for people to later talk about the good old days when W was still in office. Maybe whoever is desiring these liberals to take over needs a good dose of higher taxes, decreased US security, more government control over lives, and economic malaise to occur to understand what socialists running the US government will bring.

The conservatives don't get off easy either, they need to clean up their own house and return to the basic principles of conservatism IMO. McCain is not a slam dunk for the white house by any means; he is going to have to step it up once the dems quit fighting each other.
The "debates" will be nasty. They will make McCain look 100 years old, versus a youthful Hussein Obama OR Sillary. He will look stiff and uncomfortable, because he will be. The Dems are getting plenty of practice right now, costantly being in front of the public.

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At least with Obama, you generally know what you are going to get.
Are you drunk? I guess maybe by "know what you are going to get" you could mean that no one has a clue how Obama is going to ATTEMPT to pull off half the stuff he has promised.

As for the original post, in my opinion the idea doesn't hold much water because you assume that a vote for another Republican candidate is a vote against McCain. That's not necessarily so. Not only that but keep in mind that if these people wanted to vote for a Dem they could have done that also. Why wouldn't they do that if they felt that strongly about it?
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Are you drunk? I guess maybe by "know what you are going to get" you could mean that no one has a clue how Obama is going to ATTEMPT to pull off half the stuff he has promised.

As for the original post, in my opinion the idea doesn't hold much water because you assume that a vote for another Republican candidate is a vote against McCain. That's not necessarily so. Not only that but keep in mind that if these people wanted to vote for a Dem they could have done that also. Why wouldn't they do that if they felt that strongly about it?
We still don't know SHIT about Obama. it's still the feel-good "Traveling Brother-man Rock Show". You would think he's pissing gasoline and shitting rainbows!

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As for the original post, in my opinion the idea doesn't hold much water because you assume that a vote for another Republican candidate is a vote against McCain. That's not necessarily so. Not only that but keep in mind that if these people wanted to vote for a Dem they could have done that also. Why wouldn't they do that if they felt that strongly about it?
They are more than likely conservatives like myself. They are so bitter about what GW has done while in office that they absolutely do not want 4 more years of it. So instead of going against their beliefs and voting for a democrat, they vote for a "Anybody but McCain Republican". The problem will be in the general election, and quite a few of these conservatives will either write in someone or not vote. A viable third party candidate may throw this all out of whack.

I'm a "Anybody but McCain" conservative and I'm not sure what I'm going to do.

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To some degree I think it would be interesting to have obama/clinton in the white house if for no other reason than for people to later talk about the good old days when W was still in office. Maybe whoever is desiring these liberals to take over needs a good dose of higher taxes, decreased US security, more government control over lives, and economic malaise to occur to understand what socialists running the US government will bring.

The conservatives don't get off easy either, they need to clean up their own house and return to the basic principles of conservatism IMO. McCain is not a slam dunk for the white house by any means; he is going to have to step it up once the dems quit fighting each other.
As always, I agree with your statement. I think a Lib WH would pave the way for a true Conservative to get the nod. I look at it this way. Maybe we will get stuck with a Lib for the next 8 years. By the end of that 8 years, we will have the majority in both sides of Congress as well as the WH. I think McCain is going to be a waste of time more than anything. Sure he is tough on the war, but weak (in my mind) on everything else I believe in. I really want a true Conservative to step up and run. I think that was part of the problem this year. We didn't have one "true conservative," instead we had 3 or 4 guys running around saying "I have seen the Conservative light and that's what I believe in." Sure Romney and Juliani had somewhat Conservative principle's, but their past records also had a lot of Lib tendencies. I think this is what split the party and caused us to lose sight of the true meaning of being Conservative.

Maybe a Clinton/Obama WH would be what the country needs to get back on track. I'm still voting for McCain come Nov., but I wouldn't be too upset if he doesn't make it. It took a whole string of weak Presidents to get Reagan. Clinton and Obama are both damaged at this point and I just don't see how either one could win in the election. Whoever gets the nod to run, will lose 50% of their base b/c the "other side" won't switch to the candidate. McCain is basically a shoe in, but I will never under estimate a Republican's ability to lose an election!
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We still don't know SHIT about Obama. it's still the feel-good "Traveling Brother-man Rock Show". You would think he's pissing gasoline and shitting rainbows!
Exactly. If McCain wants to sink his battleship all he has to do is wait for all the rosey bullshit to come flying out of his fucking mouth and follow it up with...."Oh yea, that is a good idea, how are you going to do that?"

As you can tell from some of the posts on this board, a lot of the sheeple have fallen for his happy go lucky bullshit promises of changing things in Washington. Guess what, he's been in Washington for years and he hasn't fought to change a damn thing! He's part of the fucking problem just like every other politician.

The bottom line is you can elect McCain and get a lot of the same shit that is happening now or you can elect Obama and not know what the fuck the idiot could do. He sounds like Jimmy fucking Carter to me. I can see it now, he'll get elected and start his bullshit about "peace in the middle east". Yea, Jimmy did a great job on that one!!
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The bottom line is you can elect McCain and get a lot of the same shit that is happening now.
That is the problem, and that's why he could lose this thing.

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They are more than likely conservatives like myself. They are so bitter about what GW has done while in office that they absolutely do not want 4 more years of it. So instead of going against their beliefs and voting for a democrat, they vote for a "Anybody but McCain Republican". The problem will be in the general election, and quite a few of these conservatives will either write in someone or not vote. A viable third party candidate may throw this all out of whack.

I'm a "Anybody but McCain" conservative and I'm not sure what I'm going to do.
So they take the trouble to vote against McCain in an election that doesn't matter but wouldn't take the trouble to vote against Obama in an election that does matter? That's a little hard for me to believe and that is why I say these number games about voting "against" people rarely work out.
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That is the problem, and that's why he could lose this thing.
Obama is preaching "change", which isn't always for the better.

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The conservatives don't get off easy either, they need to clean up their own house and return to the basic principles of conservatism IMO.
This statement confuses me. I don't think I've ever seen a conservative in Washington as long as I've been aware of politics; all I've seen is a bunch of girls running around and spending money whilst masquerading as conservatives.

I don't think I can stress enough that Republican ≠ Conservative.

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Obama is preaching "change", which isn't always for the better.
Oh I agree, but IMO we are falling off a cliff now. The question is which candidate do we hit the bottom with faster?

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This statement confuses me. I don't think I've ever seen a conservative in Washington as long as I've been aware of politics; all I've seen is a bunch of girls running around and spending money whilst masquerading as conservatives.

I don't think I can stress enough that Republican ≠ Conservative.
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This statement confuses me. I don't think I've ever seen a conservative in Washington as long as I've been aware of politics; all I've seen is a bunch of girls running around and spending money whilst masquerading as conservatives.

I don't think I can stress enough that Republican ≠ Conservative.
"Conservative" can mean other things besides the spending. How about "conservative" Supreme Court judges? Taxing the American people?

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Exactly. If McCain wants to sink his battleship all he has to do is wait for all the rosey bullshit to come flying out of his fucking mouth and follow it up with...."Oh yea, that is a good idea, how are you going to do that?"

As you can tell from some of the posts on this board, a lot of the sheeple have fallen for his happy go lucky bullshit promises of changing things in Washington. Guess what, he's been in Washington for years and he hasn't fought to change a damn thing! He's part of the fucking problem just like every other politician.

The bottom line is you can elect McCain and get a lot of the same shit that is happening now or you can elect Obama and not know what the fuck the idiot could do. He sounds like Jimmy fucking Carter to me. I can see it now, he'll get elected and start his bullshit about "peace in the middle east". Yea, Jimmy did a great job on that one!!


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This statement confuses me. I don't think I've ever seen a conservative in Washington as long as I've been aware of politics; all I've seen is a bunch of girls running around and spending money whilst masquerading as conservatives.

I don't think I can stress enough that Republican ≠ Conservative.
The true conservatives and nutty assed liberals have been sitting on the sidelines for years now. The moderate voice has left the building also to make way for corporate serving "politicians (lobbiest with a vote)". As Greorge Carlin sez "the politicians and electon process is put there to make us think we have a choice. We don't."
There was a true conservative running this time and you saw what happened to Ron Paul.

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"Conservative" can mean other things besides the spending. How about "conservative" Supreme Court judges? Taxing the American people?
Conservative Supreme court judges? Where?

All I have seen is pro business, pro government, anti-bill of rights/constitution judges. Maybe in the sense that they are conservative with abortion and gun rights, but other than that they are far from the conservative principals. Which is small government, privacy rights, etc..

As for taxes....oh they have raised our taxes. It's just not a tax, it's inflation through fuel, trade deficits, billion dollar a day nation building war that is causing our infrastructure to fall apart because the state government isn't receiving the funding, inflation in food, etc....

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The true conservatives and nutty assed liberals have been sitting on the sidelines for years now. The moderate voice has left the building also to make way for corporate serving "politicians (lobbiest with a vote)". As Greorge Carlin sez "the politicians and electon process is put there to make us think we have a choice. We don't."
There was a true conservative running this time and you saw what happened to Ron Paul.
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This statement confuses me. I don't think I've ever seen a conservative in Washington as long as I've been aware of politics; all I've seen is a bunch of girls running around and spending money whilst masquerading as conservatives.

I don't think I can stress enough that Republican ≠ Conservative.
Maybe I should have said "the people running around claiming to be conservatives", like W who spends like a drunken sailor and endorses questionable business deals that would transfer critical US infrastructure to foreign countries.
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Conservative Supreme court judges? Where?

All I have seen is pro business, pro government, anti-bill of rights/constitution judges. Maybe in the sense that they are conservative with abortion and gun rights, but other than that they are far from the conservative principals. Which is small government, privacy rights, etc..

As for taxes....oh they have raised our taxes. It's just not a tax, it's inflation through fuel, trade deficits, billion dollar a day nation building war that is causing our infrastructure to fall apart because the state government isn't receiving the funding, inflation in food, etc....
Abortion and gun rights were my points.

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Maybe I should have said "the people running around claiming to be conservatives", like W who spends like a drunken sailor and endorses questionable business deals that would transfer critical US infrastructure to foreign countries.
Ha, there you go.

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My case in point. Idiots who will believe anything labeled "conservative".

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Maybe I should have said "the people running around claiming to be conservatives", like W who spends like a drunken sailor and endorses questionable business deals that would transfer critical US infrastructure to foreign countries.
Let's not forget telecom immunity and suspension of right to privacy and due process laws. Secrets e-mail deleting cover-ups...hell the list goes on and on with the abuses of power.

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Let's not forget telecom immunity and suspension of right to privacy and due process laws. Secrets e-mail deleting cover-ups...hell the list goes on and on with the abuses of power.
With Blackwater "they've" got their own private army and now "they've" got their own private intelligence. I shudder to think where this is going...
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With Blackwater "they've" got their own private army and now "they've" got their own private intelligence. I shudder to think where this is going...
The "conservatives" defending and mocking "they" in 4...3...2...

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I feel like a mental giant every time I read one of your posts', and I'm an average dumb ass.

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I feel like a mental giant every time I read one of your posts', and I'm an average dumb ass.
I know you didn't even have time to read the article. There's one.

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Oh I agree, but IMO we are falling off a cliff now. The question is which candidate do we hit the bottom with faster?
Obama is pretty close to a Jimma Carter starter kit. Promise this, change that, yada, yada, yada. I lived through 21% PRIME rate! 7.5% unemployment, and a laughingstock for a president. How do you think 12% mortgage rates would fly right now? How about a 19% auto loan? Think that might slow the economy a tad?

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You're right. If he tries to run a "clean" campaign, he'll get beat easily. He's going to have to knee-cap Obama with the good Rev. Wright, William Ayres, and the fact that he is the most liberal senator in Washington.
I don't think the Rev. Wright will work for McCain. McCain has his own loopy reverend, Reverend Rod Parsley. If he stracks at Obama with this, the Dems will come back with quotes from McCain's reverend and will flip it around to make it sound as if McCain is making this a racial issue as well.
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I don't think the Rev. Wright will work for McCain. McCain has his own loopy reverend, Reverend Rod Parsley. If he stracks at Obama with this, the Dems will come back with quotes from McCain's reverend and will flip it around to make it sound as if McCain is making this a racial issue as well.
He's going to have to do it. He's got no choice. Unless his preacher is David Duke, it needs to be an issue. If Obama throws out the race card, I'd run with it, too.

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He's going to have to do it. He's got no choice. Unless his preacher is David Duke, it needs to be an issue. If Obama throws out the race card, I'd run with it, too.
That's the thing though, Obama won't throw it out- the Dems and media will. If McCain tries this, it will fail. IMO. If he's smart, he'll stay away from this issue.
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That's the thing though, Obama won't throw it out- the Dems and media will. If McCain tries this, it will fail. IMO. If he's smart, he'll stay away from this issue.
He won't need to bring it up. Other groups will. Obama will bring some baggage in with him that will be easy targets. The race issue was brought up by his pastor, and Bill Clinton, so it's already open game. Like they said earlier today, African Americans and white eggheads are not enough to get Obama elected. He has nothing to offer a typical ,white, middle-aged man (me ). When he's forced to deal with substance and not fantasy, we'll see what he's made of.

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He won't need to bring it up. Other groups will. Obama will bring some baggage in with him that will be easy targets. The race issue was brought up by his pastor, and Bill Clinton, so it's already open game. Like they said earlier today, African Americans and white eggheads are not enough to get Obama elected. He has nothing to offer a typical ,white, middle-aged man (me ). When he's forced to deal with substance and not fantasy, we'll see what he's made of.
I think people under estimate Obama when it comes to debate and attacks. He took it easy on Hillary because he didn't want to come across as beating up on a woman and a woman of his own party. I'm not saying that you will see him go all out on McCain, because one thing he expresses is that he's an uniter, but you will see a different side of his campaign against McCain.

McCain needs to hit Obama hard by saying that he's too liberal and not enough experience, get a VP with economic experience since McCain doesn't have it, better detailed plan of the war in Iraq and soon to be Afghanistan and a great exit plan, do away with his current health plan, watch his public displays of anger, and there are some more things but I am having a mental block.
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I think people under estimate Obama when it comes to debate and attacks. He took it easy on Hillary because he didn't want to come across as beating up on a woman and a woman of his own party. I'm not saying that you will see him go all out on McCain, because one thing he expresses is that he's an uniter, but you will see a different side of his campaign against McCain.

McCain needs to hit Obama hard by saying that he's too liberal and not enough experience, get a VP with economic experience since McCain doesn't have it, better detailed plan of the war in Iraq and soon to be Afghanistan and a great exit plan, do away with his current health plan, watch his public displays of anger, and there are some more things but I am having a mental block.
Then again, maybe the country needs four years of Obama to see how bad things can really be...a la Jimmy Carter. (21% prime rate;7.5% unemployment)

One thing about it, if he's voted in, he will be my president. I hope he doesn't have the hate-mongers that Bush has had to deal with for the last eight years, because as a black man, that could be brutal...

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Then again, maybe the country needs four years of Obama to see how bad things can really be...a la Jimmy Carter. (21% prime rate;7.5% unemployment)

One thing about it, if he's voted in, he will be my president. I hope he doesn't have the hate-mongers that Bush has had to deal with for the last eight years, because as a black man, that could be brutal...
Yeap, I hope not too. I like them both- may the best man win.
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The problem I have with McCain is I'm not sure which McCain I'm going to get once elected.

Am I going to get the McBush, or I didn't vote for Bush hammered him in the election McCain.

Am I going to get Campaign reform McCain, or lobbiest buddy McCain.

Straight talk express McCain, or say whatever it takes McCain.

Possibly running with Kerry for VP McCain, or I never never talked to Kerry about running McCain.

Cut deal with the dems McCain, or true conservative McCain.

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At least with Obama, you generally know what you are going to get.
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I don't think the Rev. Wright will work for McCain. McCain has his own loopy reverend, Reverend Rod Parsley. If he stracks at Obama with this, the Dems will come back with quotes from McCain's reverend and will flip it around to make it sound as if McCain is making this a racial issue as well.
Help me out and send me some quotes from McCains pastor that are controversial. I watch CNN, MSNBC, and Fox and have not heard anything about it.

Did Parsley act as an advisor to McCain and show up at his announcement for his candidacy for president? Did McCain know his pastor was saying these things, and if so, how long did he stay a member of the church in question?

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They are more than likely conservatives like myself. They are so bitter about what GW has done while in office that they absolutely do not want 4 more years of it. So instead of going against their beliefs and voting for a democrat, they vote for a "Anybody but McCain Republican". The problem will be in the general election, and quite a few of these conservatives will either write in someone or not vote. A viable third party candidate may throw this all out of whack.

I'm a "Anybody but McCain" conservative and I'm not sure what I'm going to do.
I will never see how a conservative can actually think about voting for Obama or Hillary because they are worried about what kind of President McCain will be. McCain can be the worst president we have ever had as far as conservative standards and he will still be way better than the best Obama or Hillary will ever be in that regard.

McCain gets my vote even if only to make sure the Supreme Court doesn't go to a hard core left wing group of appointments by Obama or Hillary.

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