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EL OH EL... Seriously?

"At the press club, he jokingly offered himself as Obama's running mate and embraced Nation of Islam leader Louis Farrakhan even though he said he doesn't always agree with him. He criticized the U.S. government as imperialist and stood by his suggestion that the U.S. invented the HIV virus as a means of genocide against minorities. "Based on this Tuskegee experiment and based on what has happened to Africans in this country, I believe our government is capable of doing anything," he said. "
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lmao, this guy gets better and better!

i read an article this morning that quoted Wright as saying that the backlash against him and his teachings is the racist white majority of this country trying to tear down the Black church

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It think we should just take him around back and shoot him.
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Nah, that would make him a martyr. What you do is run his name into the ground and make him hated by his own members. You do that, you take the teeth out of the wolf.
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We're getting a new all black church here in Wylie that is moving out of Oak Cliff.

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What has always struck me is this: If I did an all white church people would scream bloody murder. How is an all black church different?
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What has always struck me is this: If I did an all white church people would scream bloody murder. How is an all black church different?
racists can only be white. Black people do not possess the ability to see racism in their own race.
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Pretty sure you're of no authority to speak on the topic.

Oh wait, that's right, you're a mensa...

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Pretty sure you're of no authority to speak on the topic.

Oh wait, that's right, you're a mensa...

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Pretty sure you're of no authority to speak on the topic.

Oh wait, that's right, you're a mensa...

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lmao, what the hell are you talking about?

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lmao, what the hell are you talking about?
he is mentally impotent and has a serious inferiority complex towards me because I have some credentials when I tell him he is an idiot. It affected him so much he's never let it go, and it's hilarious... every time he brings it up I feel so proud to have nailed him right in his ego so damn well. He refuses to debate me anymore, and trolls my posts trying to find typos to make some pitiful attempt to justify his own conscience to his lack of intelligence. Just don't mind him, I've tested him over and over and his arguments are very unorganized, weak, and childish, he just isn't worth the time - he feeds on the crust of this forums ass.

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What has always struck me is this: If I did an all white church people would scream bloody murder. How is an all black church different?
It's just different. You couldn't possibly understand (mainly because you're 100% correct and the people who support this nonsense cannot make a rational defense of their position).

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he is mentally impotent and has a serious inferiority complex towards me because I have some credentials when I tell him he is an idiot. It affected him so much he's never let it go, and it's hilarious... every time he brings it up I feel so proud to have nailed him right in his ego so damn well. He refuses to debate me anymore, and trolls my posts trying to find typos to make some pitiful attempt to justify his own conscience to his lack of intelligence. Just don't mind him, I've tested him over and over and his arguments are very unorganized, weak, and childish, he just isn't worth the time - he feeds on the crust of this forums
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Please, sir. Don't flatter yourself.

Do I need, yet again, to display for everyone to see how much a fucking idiot you are?

You've never been worth my time. It's just funny to see you run away after I win.

You've never shown me up in ANY argument.

You have NO credentials.

Every confrontation between me and you ends with your cowering and fleeing the scene.

Big surprise.

You're the one that gets e-mailed every time I post.

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Please, sir. Don't flatter yourself.

Do I need, yet again, to display for everyone to see how much a fucking idiot you are?

You've never been worth my time. It's just funny to see you run away after I win.

You've never shown me up in ANY argument.

You have NO credentials.

Every confrontation between me and you ends with your cowering and fleeing the scene.

Big surprise.

You're the one that gets e-mailed every time I post.

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Pretty sure you're of no authority to speak on the topic.

Oh wait, that's right, you're a mensa...

nevermind--

Shit, not this again.

Zara, do you have to turn everything into a personal battle? Why can't you just comment on how you disagree or you don't think Wright said that. You think you are so smart, yet you bring this shit upon yourself time and time again.

If you have something to say on the topic please share, but the topic is Wright, not who is or is not in Mensa...

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Please, sir. Don't flatter yourself.

Do I need, yet again, to display for everyone to see how much a fucking idiot you are?

You've never been worth my time. It's just funny to see you run away after I win.

You've never shown me up in ANY argument.

You have NO credentials.

Every confrontation between me and you ends with your cowering and fleeing the scene.

Big surprise.

You're the one that gets e-mailed every time I post.

That's funny, because you've never swayed anyone's opinion on here.

You've never won an argument.

You have NO credentials.

You've never shown anyone how much of an idiot they may or may not be, etc.
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"At the press club, he jokingly offered himself as Obama's running mate and embraced Nation of Islam leader Louis Farrakhan even though he said he doesn't always agree with him. He criticized the U.S. government as imperialist and stood by his suggestion that the U.S. invented the HIV virus as a means of genocide against minorities. "Based on this Tuskegee experiment and based on what has happened to Africans in this country, I believe our government is capable of doing anything," he said. "
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080429/...r/obama_pastor

On Tuesday, Obama sought to distance himself further from Wright.

"I gave him the benefit of the doubt in my speech in Philadelphia explaining that he's done enormous good. ... But when he states and then amplifies such ridiculous propositions as the U.S. government somehow being involved in AIDS. ... There are no excuses. They offended me. They rightly offend all Americans and they should be denounced."

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Please, sir. Don't flatter yourself.

Do I need, yet again, to display for everyone to see how much a fucking idiot you are?

You've never been worth my time. It's just funny to see you run away after I win.

You've never shown me up in ANY argument.

You have NO credentials.

Every confrontation between me and you ends with your cowering and fleeing the scene.

Big surprise.

You're the one that gets e-mailed every time I post.
"don't flatter yourself" It's so funny that the moment I make a statement towards you, it ends up in all your future posts.




I'm sorry but I just can't be respectful to you anymore. This kid is such a loser. Finish your weed so you can help mom and dad at those stores you "own" - which was ridiculously terrible lie, I don't think a single person in this forum believed that bullshit. But, it's just another example... much like your post... where you once again overreacted into a temper tantrum showing off of your inferiority complex once again. I haven't even checked the thread where you were called out, but I can just surmise that it consisted of you frantically changing the topic and ultimately bitching out like the pussy you are. It must really burn deep inside you to know you're a coward.

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Please, sir. Don't flatter yourself.

Do I need, yet again, to display for everyone to see how much a fucking idiot you are?

You've never been worth my time. It's just funny to see you run away after I win.

You've never shown me up in ANY argument.

You have NO credentials.

Every confrontation between me and you ends with your cowering and fleeing the scene.

Big surprise.

You're the one that gets e-mailed every time I post.
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See, I have asked quite a few people why there is an NAACP but if I make an organization to promote whites, I'm racist. There is a national black college that I had to do a report on for my Minorities class a couple semesters ago, yet we can't have an all white school. With 'minorities' they are able to take advantage of benefits and scholarships that as a disabled vet I just have to look at. Outside of the GI Bill, if I want to go to school, it comes out of my pocket, but they get full rides.

I want to know why when a white, Christian man does something it's racist or biggoted and when a minority or female does the same it's kosher. No one has been able to answer that rationally. It usually turns into an emotional plea. I don't want emotion, I want logic.
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It usually turns into an emotional plea. I don't want emotion, I want logic.
You will never receive a logical answer.
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That's what I'm learning. Affirmative action is racism, holding someone of a different skin color to a different measure than me is racism.
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See, I have asked quite a few people why there is an NAACP but if I make an organization to promote whites, I'm racist. There is a national black college that I had to do a report on for my Minorities class a couple semesters ago, yet we can't have an all white school. With 'minorities' they are able to take advantage of benefits and scholarships that as a disabled vet I just have to look at. Outside of the GI Bill, if I want to go to school, it comes out of my pocket, but they get full rides.

I want to know why when a white, Christian man does something it's racist or biggoted and when a minority or female does the same it's kosher. No one has been able to answer that rationally. It usually turns into an emotional plea. I don't want emotion, I want logic.
I have a feeling the answer is not very simple. It is true that no white candidate could have gone to a church led by a racist America-hating minister and still get serious consideration, not even as a Dem.

The issue is that a lot of white people seem so worried about the racist tag that they overcompensate and will vote for them to have some ammunition to "show" peoiple how enlightened they are. They will ignore the obvious violations and concerns about Obama and other blacks because they are scared of the racist tag, which usually gets thrown around by racist people of color.

I especially believe this is true of the white liberals who are supporting Obama. I know no white conservative who would support any Republican if he had been going to a racist, hate-filled church for even 5 years, much less 20 like Obama.

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See, I have asked quite a few people why there is an NAACP but if I make an organization to promote whites, I'm racist. There is a national black college that I had to do a report on for my Minorities class a couple semesters ago, yet we can't have an all white school. With 'minorities' they are able to take advantage of benefits and scholarships that as a disabled vet I just have to look at. Outside of the GI Bill, if I want to go to school, it comes out of my pocket, but they get full rides.

I want to know why when a white, Christian man does something it's racist or biggoted and when a minority or female does the same it's kosher. No one has been able to answer that rationally. It usually turns into an emotional plea. I don't want emotion, I want logic.
Maybe your problem is because you see organizations that seek equality in American society as unnecessary, counter productive and racist/sexist.

I don't find your views on minorities rational or consistent with the way things are in real life.

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The mission of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People is to ensure the political, educational, social, and economic equality of rights of all persons and to eliminate racial hatred and racial discrimination.

Vision Statement
The vision of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People is to ensure a society in which all individuals have equal rights and there is no racial hatred or racial discrimination.

Objectives
The following statement of objectives is found on the first page of the NAACP Constitution — the principal objectives of the Association shall be:

To ensure the political, educational, social, and economic equality of all citizens.
To achieve equality of rights and eliminate race prejudice among the citizens of the United States.
To remove all barriers of racial discrimination through democratic processes.
To seek enactment and enforcement of federal, state, and local laws securing civil rights.
To inform the public of the adverse effects of racial discrimination and to seek its elimination.
To educate persons as to their constitutional rights and to take all lawful action to secure the exercise thereof, and to take any other lawful action in furtherance of these objectives, consistent with the NAACP's Articles of Incorporation and this Constitution.


If you founded an organization along these line, I disagree that you would be considered racist. However, I think you might find the organization moot, or better yet, filled with minorities of one kind or another.

There is nothing wrong with HBCU's (historically black colleges and universities). If you took a real look at their campuses you would see they are not all black. Their enrollment certainly does not exclude white students. HBCU's have and do contribute positively to American life. I'm a Morehouse College grad myself. I didn't get a free ride, I had to pay.

Minorities are able to take advantage of certain benefits and scholarships because the USA is a great nation and honorably seeks to improve itself with every generation. These kind of programs are a function of that goal.

Racism that comes from minorities is not kosher. I'll agree that real racism committed by minorities is not as recognizable as whites (the majority). However, I'd contend that racism without the power to enforce it is not an often perceived threat. Racism committed by white people in America is easy to recognize because you can see the power it welds and have plenty of historical examples to compare it to.

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So my racism is stronger than a minorities? No, it isn't. It's the same. If I can't make racial jokes or comments, they can't either. If I have to work my way through college, minorities should too. However, if the NAACP comes on tv and says

"White America, we need these benefits, scholarships and affirmative action to compete with you. We cannot compete on a level playing field so please allow us these cheats and handouts so that we may better ourself."

Do that and I'll shut up. Admit that a black man who is healthy, never served and is mentally completely there requires more help than an ex soldier who was shot in the head, suffers from mental disorders and several physical disabilities.
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So my racism is stronger than a minorities? No, it isn't. It's the same. If I can't make racial jokes or comments, they can't either. If I have to work my way through college, minorities should too. However, if the NAACP comes on tv and says

"White America, we need these benefits, scholarships and affirmative action to compete with you. We cannot compete on a level playing field so please allow us these cheats and handouts so that we may better ourself."

Do that and I'll shut up. Admit that a black man who is healthy, never served and is mentally completely there requires more help than an ex soldier who was shot in the head, suffers from mental disorders and several physical disabilities.
So, are you saying there a no racial and/or sexual inequalities in the USA? Therefore, all the organizations who say they strive for equality have no legitimate reason to exist.

or

Are you saying there are inequalities, but you don't support actively trying to change them? So, play with the hand your dealt and never mind how the cards are being dealt.

or

Are you saying there are inequalities, but people are and have been going about solving them in the wrong ways? What solutions would you propose?

or

Are you saying....... fuck everyone else's problems, I've got my own.

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So, are you saying there a no racial and/or sexual inequalities in the USA? Therefore, all the organizations who say they strive for equality have no legitimate reason to exist.

or

Are you saying there are inequalities, but you don't support actively trying to change them? So, play with the hand your dealt and never mind how the cards are being dealt.

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Are you saying there are inequalities, but people are and have been going about solving them in the wrong ways? What solutions would you propose?

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Are you saying....... fuck everyone else's problems, I've got my own.
I think he is saying that a NAAWP would not go over very well. I think most white people feel that we have come far enough with equality that people of color have graduated from premier colleges, can get to be a serious candidate for president and that giving those same people of color advantages not based upon merit is not right.

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http://www.naacp.org/about/mission/index.htm

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Our Mission
The mission of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People is to ensure the political, educational, social, and economic equality of rights of all persons and to eliminate racial hatred and racial discrimination.

Vision Statement
The vision of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People is to ensure a society in which all individuals have equal rights and there is no racial hatred or racial discrimination.

Objectives
The following statement of objectives is found on the first page of the NAACP Constitution — the principal objectives of the Association shall be:

To ensure the political, educational, social, and economic equality of all citizens.
To achieve equality of rights and eliminate race prejudice among the citizens of the United States.
To remove all barriers of racial discrimination through democratic processes.
To seek enactment and enforcement of federal, state, and local laws securing civil rights.
To inform the public of the adverse effects of racial discrimination and to seek its elimination.
To educate persons as to their constitutional rights and to take all lawful action to secure the exercise thereof, and to take any other lawful action in furtherance of these objectives, consistent with the NAACP's Articles of Incorporation and this Constitution.
The problem with that is the individuals within the NAACP have taken this Goal and used it to further their own agendas. Notice that NAACP stands for National Association for the Advancement of Colored People, yet in their objectives they say all citizens. Which is it? Colored people or all citizens?

Are they fighting for everyone?

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The problem with that is the individuals within the NAACP have taken this Goal and used it to further their own agendas. Notice that NAACP stands for National Association for the Advancement of Colored People, yet in their objectives they say all citizens. Which is it? Colored people or all citizens?

Are they fighting for everyone?
I'm sure that helps contributions. It's probably just a "political" move.

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I think he is saying that a NAAWP would not go over very well. I think most white people feel that we have come far enough with equality that people of color have graduated from premier colleges, can get to be a serious candidate for president and that giving those same people of color advantages not based upon merit is not right.
I think if you could come up with an area where white people are suffering disproportionately from their counterparts then you could have a basics for an NAAWP.

Try this, what defines a black organization? Now, what defines a white organization? Can you say there are not currently good white organizations? Forget the title, look at the function. Look at the target audience.

Ok, so you feel the USA has come far enough with equality. What is your basis for equality? Someone black attending a premier college? Richard Greener, became Harvard's first African American graduate in 1870. What year would you say enough racial equality was achieved in the USA? What year would you say woman's equality was achieved in the USA?

What's with this merit argument? People in this thread have insinuated unqualified people are getting good scholarships. I find that hard to believe. Last time I checked you had to have some pretty good scores to qualify for a good scholarship of any kind. Schools choose between which qualified candidates receive scholarship money. However, once you get a pool of qualified candidates there are several factors that influence who from that pool gets selected. In my opinion, the justification from affirmative action programs is that minority candidates are often a part of the pool of qualified candidates, but seldom selected from this pool.

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Jones - do you believe that a person should get preferential treatment solely based on race/color?

Yes or no, no extenuating circumstances.
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I think if you could come up with an area where white people are suffering disproportionately from their counterparts then you could have a basics for an NAAWP.
Oh, so the NAACP is only there to make "colored" suffering equal to white suffering? WTF? Why not help everybody suffering? That would be true racial equality, would it not?

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Schools choose between which qualified candidates receive scholarship money. However, once you get a pool of qualified candidates there are several factors that influence who from that pool gets selected. In my opinion, the justification from affirmative action programs is that minority candidates are often a part of the pool of qualified candidates, but seldom selected from this pool.
Why the should a "colored" person be chosen above an equally qualified white person? That should never happen, just like it should not happen the other way around. Merit should be the only damn thing that matters.

If "colored" people want color to not matter, they need need to stop using it as a crutch and get out there and earn it. Become the MOST qualified person in the pool, and then take the money, take the job, because you earned it, not because of your race.

Fuck this is too simple, I don't understand what the hell is wrong with people.

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The problem with that is the individuals within the NAACP have taken this Goal and used it to further their own agendas. Notice that NAACP stands for National Association for the Advancement of Colored People, yet in their objectives they say all citizens. Which is it? Colored people or all citizens?

Are they fighting for everyone?
What individual are you referring to? Are you talking about an individual or the group as a whole?

What has the NAACP supported that you feel is not consistent with their stated goals?

Do you really have a problem with their name? Maybe you should do a quick read of when and why this organization was founded. I find it hard to believe anyone who knows the history of the NAACP can state the organization has not had a positive contribution to racial equality in the USA.

http://www.naacp.org/about/history/index.htm
For more than ninety nine years, the NAACP built and grew on the collective courage of thousands of people. People of all races, nationalities and faiths united on one premise—that all men and women are created equal.

The nation's oldest civil rights organization has changed America's history. Despite violence, intimidation and hostile government policies, the NAACP and its grass-roots membership persevered.

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What individual are you referring to? Are you talking about an individual or the group as a whole?

What has the NAACP supported that you feel is not consistent with their stated goals?

Do you really have a problem with their name? Maybe you should do a quick read of when and why this organization was founded. I find it hard to believe anyone who knows the history of the NAACP can state the organization has not had a positive contribution to racial equality in the USA.

http://www.naacp.org/about/history/index.htm
For more than ninety nine years, the NAACP built and grew on the collective courage of thousands of people. People of all races, nationalities and faiths united on one premise—that all men and women are created equal.

The nation's oldest civil rights organization has changed America's history. Despite violence, intimidation and hostile government policies, the NAACP and its grass-roots membership persevered.

Why put “Colored” in the name then? If they are fighting for equality how does pointing out color help? Why make your name “…Advancement of Colored People” if that is not your goal? Is it possible that their agenda is not quite what they lead you to believe?

Listen, I’m not colorblind, but I do my best to judge people on how they act, not on my pre-conceived notions about a certain race. Why can’t we teach people to judge based on actions and to hire based on merit? Wouldn’t that create equality?

We need to change the underlying way people think, not fight each and every action. We can treat the symptoms for generations and not change a damn thing, or we can teach our kids to think differently. Teach them that a black person is no different from a white person because of their color. They are only different when they have shown you by their own actions.

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Oh, so the NAACP is only there to make "colored" suffering equal to white suffering? WTF? Why not help everybody suffering? That would be true racial equality, would it not?



Why the should a "colored" person be chosen above an equally qualified white person? That should never happen, just like it should not happen the other way around. Merit should be the only damn thing that matters.

If "colored" people want color to not matter, they need need to stop using it as a crutch and get out there and earn it. Become the MOST qualified person in the pool, and then take the money, take the job, because you earned it, not because of your race.

Fuck this is too simple, I don't understand what the hell is wrong with people.
I cool with helping anyone worth helping regardless of race. Why not help everyone? In my opinion, affirmative action program are an extension of the desire to help everyone.

What is wrong is that merit is not the sole basic of most decision making. You can't separate your merit argument from opportunity. I do not support giving anyone anything they have not earned. I don't see how you can't recognize how networking and social circles play a big role is picking from pools of qualified people. Do you disagree that often it's not "what you know, but who you know"?

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Why put “Colored” in the name then? If they are fighting for equality how does pointing out color help? Why make your name “…Advancement of Colored People” if that is not your goal? Is it possible that their agenda is not quite what they lead you to believe?

Listen, I’m not colorblind, but I do my best to judge people on how they act, not on my pre-conceived notions about a certain race. Why can’t we teach people to judge based on actions and to hire based on merit? Wouldn’t that create equality?

We need to change the underlying way people think, not fight each and every action. We can treat the symptoms for generations and not change a damn thing, or we can teach our kids to think differently. Teach them that a black person is no different from a white person because of their color. They are only different when they have shown you by their own actions.
I think if you took a closer look at the NAACP you would find you don't have any real problem with it.

I am please to hear your outlook race. When more people become as enlighten as you then there will truly be no need for the NAACP or any race/sex based affirmative action programs. However, I think to be true to your ideas you have to ask the people "in the trenches" working for equality how things are going. If they say more work is needed, I think their recommendations and actions should be considered and supported.

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I find it hard to believe anyone who knows the history of the NAACP can state the organization has not had a positive contribution to racial equality in the USA.
Inviting ass bags like Wright to speak doesn't help me see their positive contribution. It makes me sick to see this POS spout off his crap and then watch as the camera pans to a bunch of morons nodding in acceptance of the bullshit that comes out of his mouth.
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The National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (usually abbreviated as NAACP) is one of the oldest and most influential civil rights organizations in the United States.[1] The NAACP was founded on February 12, 1909 by a diverse group composed of W. E. B. Du Bois (African American), Ida B. Wells (African American), Archibald Grimke (African American), Henry Moskowitz (Jewish), Mary White Ovington (white), Oswald Garrison Villard (German-born white), and William English Walling (white, and son of a former slaveholding family),[2][3] to work on behalf of the rights of African Americans. Its name, retained in accord with tradition, is one of the last surviving uses of the term "colored people."


In 1905, a group of 32 prominent, outspoken African Americans met to discuss the challenges facing "people of color" (a term that was used to describe those who were not white people) in the U.S. and possible strategies and solutions.


The organization held its second conference in May of 1910, where members chose the name the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People. [5] The name was formally adopted May 30, and the NAACP incorporated a year later in 1911. The association's charter delineated its mission:

To promote equality of rights and to eradicate caste or race prejudice among the citizens of the United States; to advance the interest of colored citizens; to secure for them impartial suffrage; and to increase their opportunities for securing justice in the courts, education for the children, employment according to their ability and complete equality before law.

The conference resulted in a more influential and diverse organization, where the leadership was predominantly white and heavily Jewish American. In fact, at its founding, the NAACP had only one African American on its executive board, Du Bois himself.

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