Originally Posted by kc50lx
Edit: I strayed off topic, my mistake.
I agree with you on this one, so you aren't alone. I understand the comparison that is being made, but it is no where near the same thing as Nazi Germany. Bottom line is, if this guy hadn't been breaking the law to begin with, then he would have nothing to worry about.
This case leads me to another topic. When police shut down an entire road for a "DWI checkpoint." Is this legal? Probably not. They are stopping 10s to 100s of people a night with absolutely no probable cause. The do the initial investigation to see what they can find. They write tickets for everything at these, not just DWI's. Am I ok with this? Sure, I have nothing to hide. Only the people that are "busted" have an issue, but again they were breaking the law. I feel in no way that this is a step towards socialism. Don't break the law and you have nothing to worry about. The only thing that I have issue with is them stopping people without necessarily having probable cause. Now if there is an issue with drunk drivers commonly traveling this certain road, then that to me is probable cause to stop anybody and everybody when they feel its necessary.
Yes , like Zara said my comparision is NOT about the EXTERMINATION of Jews. OF course not the police didn't kill Moore!
The tactics they used though are getting much closer to what the was done during this era.
I'm glad to see anyone is even reading this and thinking, so please do not take offense to my comparison. I am only talking about the tactics used to assumably find and exterminate Jews.
However these DWI checkpoints are typically totally illegal tactics , and let me explain why :
CITIZEN Show me your papers! (again try not to be offended)
basically this is what they are doing on the side of the road , unprovoked in these cases late at night...
The point is , you commited no crime by driving on that road. There is no reason to be detained and be forced to submit identification. Again this is the cart before the horse. Here in America we are free to travel FREELY and not be accused of a crime by simply driving down a road in an overzealous enforcement community.
You are innocent but being tested to see if there is anything they can find illegal about you, stickers , breath smells like dwi, eyes hazy whatever , IT's BS.
It's the same BS they try to use at fry's electronics to stop theft , those guys have no right to detain you at the exit just to check your receipt. People don't seem to get this , they just want what is for the better good of everyone.
And i can see that . For instance if there are loose perpetrators that have highjacked a car down the freeway, this polling of cars would seem like a great tactic to catch these Aholes.
However that is never the case , is it?
I really have no problem with check points, since most of the time they are just going to look at your ID and tell you drive on.
But think of how far they could take them?
According to Moores case , you could simply have an out of date drivers license, or forgot your insurance card or just be really mouthy with the LEO on scene .
Then guess what? They feel like arresting you for a misdemeanor, then they search your car and find an 'unknown pill' (say one your cousin accidently dropped in between a seat in your car) ( could even be an over-the-counter type)
Now your charged with possesion of an illicit substance, even though it was obtained illegally by the officers - STill admissable in court according to this case with Moore.
Now you get to prove you are innocent, you know once..... you get out of jail, get a new job and get on with you life with out pummeling your cousin or the arresting officer.
Believe me , this shit is already happening. I can't think of how many people I know that have been harrassed or arrested about a 'unidentified pill'.
Welcome to the drug war. On war on your last rights to privacy.
Again , now does any one see the dangers of putting this 'cart before the horse' ?
This is very bad, but I do see how it helps law enforcement handle these fringe cases.
Basically a COMPLETE DISMISSAL OF YOUR RIGHTS against unnessecary search and seizure.