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Ahmadinejad as controlled opposition??

This kind of raised a question to me. Tell me what you guys think...

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"Since Ahmadinejad has also repeatedly questioned the scale of the Holocaust, this gives debunkers a perfect opportunity to link 9/11 truth with Holocaust denial, a pathetic smear that they have always longed to anchor to some actual evidence, since none whatsoever exists.

Naturally, when a French actress says something about 9/11 or the fool Ahmadinejad opens his mouth, the establishment media afford it lavish attention for days on end, but when hundreds of scholars, professors, architects and scientists go public, the silence is deafening.

That's because the media chooses its targets - they only give attention to someone who they can easily debunk."


I don't necessarily agree with this, but its interesting to think about.

"People like BBC reporter Greg Palast have long suspected that Ahmadinejad is actually a stooge who is in bed with the Neo-Cons, and his latest buffoonery only lends credence to that summation."


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And compounding on that...


Japan:

Yukihisa Fujita of the Japan Democratic party, made a 20 minute long statement
at the House of Councillors, the upper house of the Diet (parliament) of Japan, ahead of the voting

He questioned the official version of 9/11 presented
to the japanese government and the public by the US administration in a session of the defence commission.” from story here.

Germany:

Eckehardt Werthebach,former president of Germany’s domestic intelligence service, Verfassungsschutz, told AFP that “the deathly precision” and “the magnitude of planning” behind the attacks of September 11 would have needed “years of planning.”

Such a sophisticated operation, Werthebach said, would require the “fixed frame” of a state intelligence organization, something not found in a “loose group” of terrorists like the one allegedly led by Mohammed Atta while he studied in Hamburg.” from story here.

the United Nations;

“A new U.N. Human Rights Council official assigned to monitor Israel is calling for an official commission to study the role neoconservatives may have played in the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks.

Mr. Falk said, “It is possibly true that especially the neoconservatives thought there was a situation in the country and in the world where something had to happen to wake up the American people. Whether they are innocent about the contention that they made that something happen or not, I don’t think we can answer definitively at this point. All we can say is there is a lot of grounds for suspicion, there should be an official investigation of the sort the 9/11 commission did not engage in and that the failure to do these things is cheating the American people and in some sense the people of the world of a greater confidence in what really happened than they presently possess.” full story here.

How about these guys? Do you think ABC and MSNBC will lump them in with

General Wesley Clark
, U.S. Army “We’ve never finished the investigation of 9/11 and whether the administration actually misused the intelligence information it had. The evidence seems pretty clear to me.”

Col. Ronald D. Ray, U.S. Marine Corps “‘I’m astounded that the conspiracy theory advanced by the administration could in fact be true and the evidence does not seem to suggest that’s accurate,’

Capt. Edgar Mitchell
, U.S. Navy ( Pilot and Astronaut. Sixth man to walk on the moon (Apollo 14 mission). Patrol bomber and attack plane pilot, U.S. Navy. Test Pilot, Air Test and Evaluation Squadron 5 (VX-5).) Endorser of and proposed Commissioner of a New Investigation into 9/11 as described in the New York City Ballot Initiative 11/08: “Petition to Create a NYC Independent Commission with Subpoena Power to Conduct a Comprehensive and Fact-Driven Investigation of All Relevant Aspects of the Tragic Events of September 11, 2001 and Issue a Report.

Lt. Col. Robert Bowman, PhD, U.S. Air Force Director of Advanced Space Programs Development under Presidents Ford and Carter. U.S. Air Force fighter pilot with over 100 combat missions. (PhD in Aeronautics and Nuclear Engineering, Cal Tech). “A lot of these pieces of information, taken together, prove that the official story, the official conspiracy theory of 9/11 is a bunch of hogwash. It’s impossible. … There’s a second group of facts having to do with the cover up. … Taken together these things prove that high levels of our government don’t want us to know what happened and who’s responsible.… “

Lt. Col. Shelton F. Lankford, U.S. Marine Corps “ Regarding 9/11 “Our government has been hijacked by means of a “new Pearl Harbor” and a lot of otherwise good and decent people who are gullible enough to think that the first three steel-framed buildings in history fall down because they have some fires that the fire fighter on the scene said could be knocked down with a couple of hoses and through which people walked before they were photographed looking out the holes where the plane hit . One of these - bldg 7, was never hit by a plane and even NIST is ashamed to advance a reason for its collapse. And, miracle of miracles, these three buildings just happened to be leased and insured by the same guy who is on tape saying they decided to “PULL” the last one to fall.”

The list goes on and on, and I haven’t the time to quote them all.

But that isn’t the point of this story. The point is, from one silly quote made by someone who needs to do a little more research on the matter, the MSM will pounce on this and be able to demonize not only the target of our next illegal preemptive strike, but also all the good intentioned people, right here in America, who simply want to know the truth about what happened on that day. Now we will be lumped in together with “the terrorists” even more.

And does the MSM point out all the credible critics of the official story? No. If you would like to do a little reading on the subject, check out Patriots Question 9/11.

Now, as for President Ahmadinejad:

Mr. President,

Please do us ALL a favor and contact Stephen Jones or David Ray Griffin or Jim Hoffman or any number of qualified researchers in the 9/11 Truth field before your next public forray into the subject. It’s great that world leaders are questioning the “official story” but there are a great many other topics that are far more curious, and a lot more credible than the one you mentioned. See “Prison Planet” or “Journal of 9/11 Studies” or “9/11 Truth . org” for more current information on the subject. There are many unanswered questions out there and any one of those sites can point you in the right direction if you are really searching for the truth about what happened on Sept. 11th 2001.

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The Israeli newspaper Ma’ariv on Wednesday reported that Likud leader Benjamin Netanyahu told an audience at Bar Ilan university that the September 11, 2001 terror attacks had been beneficial for Israel.

“We are benefiting from one thing, and that is the attack on the Twin Towers and Pentagon, and the American struggle in Iraq,” Ma’ariv quoted the former prime minister as saying. He reportedly added that these events “swung American public opinion in our favor.”

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I have no idea why you read that prison planet garbage.

Everything is a conspiracy!! How do we know that Bush isn't controlled opposition for Iran. Oh shit, that just blew my mind man, its so....like...freaky.
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The Israeli newspaper Ma’ariv on Wednesday reported that Likud leader Benjamin Netanyahu told an audience at Bar Ilan university that the September 11, 2001 terror attacks had been beneficial for Israel.

“We are benefiting from one thing, and that is the attack on the Twin Towers and Pentagon, and the American struggle in Iraq,” Ma’ariv quoted the former prime minister as saying. He reportedly added that these events “swung American public opinion in our favor.”
9/11 didn't change my opinion of Israel one iota. It changed my opinion on a lot of things, but Israel wasn't one of them.

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I have no idea why you read that prison planet garbage.

Everything is a conspiracy!! How do we know that Bush isn't controlled opposition for Iran. Oh shit, that just blew my mind man, its so....like...freaky.
Holy shit! What if you're right about Bush?!

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Everything is a conspiracy!! How do we know that Bush isn't controlled opposition for Iran. Oh shit, that just blew my mind man, its so....like...freaky.


I am just curious is there anyway you could see something like that being true.
Maybe not to that extreme but some sort of underhanded moves by people with power here in America?

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I have no idea why you read that prison planet garbage.

Everything is a conspiracy!! How do we know that Bush isn't controlled opposition for Iran. Oh shit, that just blew my mind man, its so....like...freaky.
Way to miss the point.

Most of it's pretty healthy, anyway, it's better than anything that comes from the conglomerate news networks.

You should indulge some time.

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I am just curious is there anyway you could see something like that being true.
Maybe not to that extreme but some sort of underhanded moves by people with power here in America?
That which is clear and evident on the surface is not always the truth. These days, we have to dig for the truth, and then dig some more. There are those that wish to satiate their appetites whatever the human cost. We must put a stop to this, tyranny is upon us.

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Well, YES.

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Wasn't that easier?

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Way to miss the point.

Most of it's pretty healthy, anyway, it's better than anything that comes from the conglomerate news networks.

You should indulge some time.

says who? - you?

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The Israeli newspaper Ma’ariv on Wednesday reported that Likud leader Benjamin Netanyahu told an audience at Bar Ilan university that the September 11, 2001 terror attacks had been beneficial for Israel.

“We are benefiting from one thing, and that is the attack on the Twin Towers and Pentagon, and the American struggle in Iraq,” Ma’ariv quoted the former prime minister as saying. He reportedly added that these events “swung American public opinion in our favor.”

And...? Point???

Israel has always found favor in the US. Too bad it won't continue like that forever...
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And...? Point???

Israel has always found favor in the US. Too bad it won't continue like that forever...
Explain...

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Japan:

Yukihisa Fujita of the Japan Democratic party, made a 20 minute long statement
at the House of Councillors, the upper house of the Diet (parliament) of Japan, ahead of the voting

He questioned the official version of 9/11 presented
to the japanese government and the public by the US administration in a session of the defence commission.” from story here.
I can't speak to other comments but I know a few things about Japan's politics...

It should be mentioned that the Democratic Party of Japan (the DPJ) is the opposition party to the Liberal Democratic Party of Japan (the LDP). Ironically the LDP is the conservative party, go figure ehh. Ever since the DPJ took control of the upper house in Japan's Diet (their version of Congress) they have been pushing to end Japan's involvement in the Iraq and Afghanistan wars. Japan has been conducting at sea refueling US Naval ships in support of these wars.

Fujita and the DPJ have been against this from the start and have fought to end the practice. I don't know whether or not Fujita actually believes the things he said about 9/11 but his speech on the subject (where these comments were made) was specifically given to cast doubt on Japan role in the war. He and the DPJ were almost successful in ending Japan's role but Prime Minister Yasuo Fukuda used some political maneuvering to prevent it.

Just a bit of context....

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Heavily appreciated, sir.

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Way to miss the point.

Most of it's pretty healthy, anyway, it's better than anything that comes from the conglomerate news networks.

You should indulge some time.
I can't get past the first paragraph without bursting out laughing.
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Still using that sick twisted supporter of child molesters (David Koresh & Co) as a reference?

Alex friggin Jones.....

Why not use The Onion?

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Because the Onion is the exact opposite from what Alex Jones is doing.

Kind of like you're the exact opposite of what Einstein was doing.

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.Man, I remember what it was like before I realized how much I didn't know about the world.

In my opinion the theories about behind the scene shadow controllers are true, but your blind faith in the conspirists is no different than someone else’s faith in the main stream. Having an "extreme" point of view doesn't make your sources correct. You are just choosing to believe different stories

Oh yeah,

you're an ignorant FUCKTARD
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