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post #1 of 47 (permalink) Old 04-15-2008, 09:47 AM Thread Starter
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I am not one to usually repost things I get in an e-mail, but this one has some great points that I agree with:

Letter written by an angry housewife from New Jersey.

Are we fighting a war on terror or aren't we? Was it or was it not
started by Islamic people who brought it to our shores on September 11, 2001?
Were people from all over the world, mostly Americans, not brutally
murdered that day in downtown Manhattan, in a field in Pennsylvania and across the Potomac from our nation's capitol ?
Did nearly three thousand men, women and children die a horrible, burning or crushing death that day, or didn't they?
And I'm supposed to care that a copy of the Koran was desecrated when an overworked American soldier kicked it or got it wet? Well, I don't. I don't care at all.
I'll start caring when Osama bin Laden turns himself in and repents for incinerating all those innocent people on 9/11.
I'll care about the Koran when the fanatics in the Middle East start
caring about the Holy Bible, the mere possession of which is a crime in
Saudi Arabia .
I'll care when these thugs tell the world they are sorry for hacking off
Nick Berg's head while Berg screamed through his gurgling slashed throat.
I'll care when the cowardly so-called insurgents in Iraq come out and
fight like men instead of disrespecting their own religion by hiding in
mosques.
I'll care when the mindless zealots who blow themselves up in search of nirvana care about the innocent children within range of their suicide bombs.
I'll care when the American media stops pretending that their First
Amendment liberties are somehow derived from international law instead of the United States Constitution's Bill of Rights.
In the meantime, when I hear a story about a brave marine roughing up an Iraqi terrorist to obtain information, know this: I don't care.
When I see a fuzzy photo of a pile of naked Iraqi prisoners who have been humiliated in what amounts to a college-hazing incident, rest assured: I don't care.
When I see a wounded terrorist get shot in the head when he is told not to move because he might be booby-trapped, you can take it to the bank: I don't care.
When I hear that a prisoner, who was issued a Koran and a prayer mat, and fed special food that is paid for by my tax dollars, is complaining
that his holy book is being mishandled, you can absolutely believe in
your heart of hearts: I don't care.
And oh, by the way, I've noticed that sometimes it's spelled Koran and
other times Quran. Well, Jimmy Crack Corn and-you guessed it: I do not care.


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That's cool and all, and I'm pro american, but america is NOT innocent, and there are lots of reasons why those people hate us and are willing to die to hurt us. The housewife might want to look at the other side of the story.



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I don't think she is saying that America is "innocent". She is referring to the people who died on 9/11. Those people were innocent. I agree with you though about America not being entirely innocent, but those actions on 9/11 against people at work and on an airplane were uncalled for. I still agree with her points but I respect your viewpoint also.

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I know I am an old fart but they hated us in the 1970's with the hostages in
Iran and so on. Iran/Iraq who care's really they both boasted they would
make a blood bath if we invade I guess they where half right only it's there
blood.

This is not something new whats new is we are over there fing-up there stone
age world call it pay back. You know what they say pay back is a bitch!
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I don't think she is saying that America is "innocent". She is referring to the people who died on 9/11. Those people were innocent. I agree with you though about America not being entirely innocent, but those actions on 9/11 against people at work and on an airplane were uncalled for. I still agree with her points but I respect your viewpoint also.
I'm not saying that I think the 9/11 attacks were right, or even justified... just that I can see that other people have reasons to hate us and what we stand for. Some housewife in yuppieville, USA, might not have the insight to understand that. After all, all she sees is what a great place the US is, and damn, she has target, walmart, and starbucks as well as the mall. A place with such great things could hardly be guilty of pissing other people or countries off, could it?



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I still agree with a lot of the comments though....although yuppieville probably covers it.

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I'm not saying that I think the 9/11 attacks were right, or even justified... just that I can see that other people have reasons to hate us and what we stand for. Some housewife in yuppieville, USA, might not have the insight to understand that. After all, all she sees is what a great place the US is, and damn, she has target, walmart, and starbucks as well as the mall. A place with such great things could hardly be guilty of pissing other people or countries off, could it?
As long as America is the premier super-power in the world, other countries/people will hate us. I don't necessarily see Wal-Mart and Target as the reasons they do hate us. It probably has more to do with our oversees policies, our main religion (Christianity) and our holier-than-thou attitude. As far as the "yuppieville housewife", who knows. Maybe she is OR maybe she isn't. We may never know. Maybe she lost someone in the attacks and this is her way of venting. I bet if you typed a letter voicing your anger about something and labeled it "Pissed of Texan", there would be someone somewhere who will stereotype you and call you a Dumb Redneck. What I am getting at is you have read her comments and because you don't entirely agree with them, you have possibly jumped to conclusions about her demographics. OR maybe you are right.

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Said it before, I'll say it again: I-35 runs North and South if it sucks so bad to be here.




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I'm not saying that I think the 9/11 attacks were right, or even justified...
But you arent saying they were wrong.....
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just that I can see that other people have reasons to hate us and what we stand for.
rationalizing and justifying the murder of 3000 of our countrymen. Nice.

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Said it before, I'll say it again: I-35 runs North and South if it sucks so bad to be here.





But you arent saying they were wrong.....

rationalizing and justifying the murder of 3000 of our countrymen. Nice.



You're every bit as ignorant as Zara. True god damn story!
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Said it before, I'll say it again: I-35 runs North and South if it sucks so bad to be here.

But you arent saying they were wrong.....

rationalizing and justifying the murder of 3000 of our countrymen. Nice.
Look man, take what I said however you want. I think 9/11 was a great tradgedy, and it's a shame that all of the innocent people had to die. I don't think that anything can justify the death of innocent civilians. However, If you want to keep your blinders on and soldier ahead thinking that the terrorists that committed these acts had no reason to do so other than jealousy you are wrong. I think America is a great place to live, and I enjoy living here.... but our hands are NOT clean.



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We just need to do what they would do to us if they could....nuke them.
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You're every bit as ignorant as Zara. True god damn story!

And you're defending an Al Queda apologist.

True story.

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We just need to do what they would do to us if they could....nuke them.
There is certainly a dual standard with wartime treatment in place.



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And you're defending an Al Queda apologist.

True story.
Have you been hitting the sauce?

You've got that Rush Limbaugh "can't give an inch or I have lost face" mentality. Open your eyes and your mind and try to see the bigger picture. There IS a bigger picture here, lots of history, not just "they attacked us for no reason, those assholes".



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You're saying there is a valid reason for attacking civilian/non-military interests?

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Have you been hitting the sauce?

You've got that Rush Limbaugh "can't give an inch or I have lost face" mentality. Open your eyes and your mind and try to see the bigger picture. There IS a bigger picture here, lots of history, not just "they attacked us for no reason, those assholes".

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You're saying there is a valid reason for attacking civilian/non-military interests?
Are you implying that the attack on the USS Cole was in some way different?

The Barracks in Beirut?
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The attacks on the Cole are attacks on a military target. 911 was an attack on a civilian target. So yea, I do see a difference tweenst the two.



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Are you implying that the attack on the USS Cole was in some way different?

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You're saying there is a valid reason for attacking civilian/non-military interests?
Talk about selective reading! You're just as bad as Limbaugh!



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Talk about selective reading! You're just as bad as Limbaugh!


You seem to have some kind of obsession with Limbaugh. Nice straw man and all, but he has nothing to do with this thread.

This thread is about you defending people that live to hate Jews and Gentiles alike: It isnt because of anything we did or didnt do, it's because the Koran tells them to hate.

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Life was better when he was drunk/high. Even better when he was going through legal troubles with his neighbors.

Again, nice strawman, but does little to detract from the fact that you come off as an apologist for Al Queda.


And, cute as you may think it is, at least TRY to be factual. Yup, I'm an alcoholic addict. Doesnt bother me a bit. ME and God are cool, and that's all that matters. HOWEVER, if a single visit by one policeman to ask me to delete a post that was causing said neighbor's phone to ring off the hook is legal trouble, by your definition a speeding ticket must be legal woes?

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I'm not 100% sure I disagree with Hookem.

Andrew, your right we are not 100% in the right all the time. However, I'll never be convinced that we should shrug off and event like 9/11 which IS how you come off. I'll never be convinced that any attack in the US is okay.

Also, there is a clear difference attacking military targets vs targets like the WTC towers. Both are bad, but it is a risk military personnel take when they enlist. I'm prior military and it was clear to me from day one. Again though, neither should be ignored. However, if I walk in your house (not invited) and you punch me in the nose that is different then you punching me at the mall or something.

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That's the funny thing about countries, none of them have clean hands. Find one that does then come and address the subject. Maybe post war Japan? Not only that but I think the U.S. does a pretty good job with showing restraint. Imagine how China or the Soviet Union would have handled this situation. Hell you don't even have to imagine when it comes to the Soviets in Afghanistan, go read some of the things they did, some of the tactics they employed and then come back and talk about how the United States is some evil empire bent on domination. That's nothing but a bunch of bullshit. Our hands certainly aren't clean in the realm of foreign policy or warfare but we do look out for our interests with at an eye towards humanitarianism.

As for the bombing of the Cole or the attack on the marine base in Beirut being "military" operations that's baloney. If it isn't, which country's military performed the attacks? I think the more appropriate word is militant.
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Our hands certainly aren't clean in the realm of foreign policy or warfare but we do look out for our interests with at an eye towards humanitarianism.
Countries that do not do this don't last very long. I've never understood why people are upset when they find out the US has been involved in some unsavory undercover activities in shithole countries to try to stabilize them, or that we have a detention center in cuba where we can take care of business out of the public eye, or that the US has an interest in self preservation and acts in that interest most of the time. It is good (or, rather, was good) to be king.
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You know, I try to stay out of the political part of this, but this one touched a nerve. I know that the US gov't and its agencies aren't innocent of any wrongdoing, but at the same time, these radical motherfuckers came to our country, took advantage of our resources, and flew 4 planes either into buildings, and the ground. They killed people's children, and would take every opportunity to kill your's if they could, just because they see us as evil. I don't know about you, but I am not evil, my daughter's are not evil and these fucking animals that pull shit like that should be sought out and slaughtered, just like Nick Berg. The good and humane thing about the US, is our gov't won't hind behind a shroud and cut someone's head off on a public tv show.
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these fucking animals that pull shit like that should be sought out and slaughtered, just like Nick Berg.
That's where we have missed the boat. Here's what caught my eye the most from Pissed off Housewife's letter:
I'll start caring when Osama bin Laden turns himself in and repents for incinerating all those innocent people on 9/11.

Fuck Iraq and Hussein. After 9-11 we could have taken MOABs and leveled Tora Bora with the sympathy and blessings of the entire world except for the muslims. But they would definately have taken notice. Too late for the toothless tiger now tho... We had one shot to make our point regarding 9-11.

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You know, I try to stay out of the political part of this, but this one touched a nerve. I know that the US gov't and its agencies aren't innocent of any wrongdoing, but at the same time, these radical motherfuckers came to our country, took advantage of our resources, and flew 4 planes either into buildings, and the ground. They killed people's children, and would take every opportunity to kill your's if they could, just because they see us as evil. I don't know about you, but I am not evil, my daughter's are not evil and these fucking animals that pull shit like that should be sought out and slaughtered, just like Nick Berg. The good and humane thing about the US, is our gov't won't hind behind a shroud and cut someone's head off on a public tv show.
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That's where we have missed the boat. Here's what caught my eye the most from Pissed off Housewife's letter:
I'll start caring when Osama bin Laden turns himself in and repents for incinerating all those innocent people on 9/11.

Fuck Iraq and Hussein. After 9-11 we could have taken MOABs and leveled Tora Bora with the sympathy and blessings of the entire world except for the muslims. But they would definately have taken notice. Too late for the toothless tiger now tho... We had one shot to make our point regarding 9-11.
Wrong IMO. We should have used a small nuke on a city with heavy pro-Taliban leanings when the Taliban refused to give Bin Laden up. It sure would have put some teeth in Bush's remark about being "with us or against us".

But then again I am mean like that. I want to start an American terrorist group that doesn't attempt to kill people but destroys Muslim religious sites. The Al Aqsa Apple Pie Brigade or some shit like that....
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I want to start an American terrorist group that doesn't attempt to kill people but destroys Muslim religious sites. The Al Aqsa Apple Pie Brigade or some shit like that....
Count me in. I can still swing a baseball bat.

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Al, you're not serious, are you?

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Wrong IMO. We should have used a small nuke on a city with heavy pro-Taliban leanings when the Taliban refused to give Bin Laden up. It sure would have put some teeth in Bush's remark about being "with us or against us".

But then again I am mean like that. I want to start an American terrorist group that doesn't attempt to kill people but destroys Muslim religious sites. The Al Aqsa Apple Pie Brigade or some shit like that....
So instead of molotov cocktails, you can throw flaming baseballs, apple pies, and Chevy's?

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So instead of molotov cocktails, you can throw flaming baseballs, apple pies, and Chevy's?

Don't forget the bacon and pig's blood!

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Don't forget the bacon and pig's blood!
Hey, pigs are the devil but god created them. I am not sure why god would create them.
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I am not sure why god would create them.
I ask myself that many times while in this forum.
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About the nuke? Absolutely.

About the Apple Pie Brigade? It amuses me but probably wouldn't accomplish much.
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it was not a problem to bring money to his house at 10pm.so why is it a problem to call and bitch.it wasnt a problem when we were all sitting around smoking pot together.yes i said it we all were smoking pot together.what now stupid.
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How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live. A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property - either as a child, a wife, or a concubine - must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men.

Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities. Thousands become the brave and loyal soldiers of the Queen: all know how to die. But the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytising faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science - the science against which it had vainly struggled - the civilisation of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilisation of ancient Rome.
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