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the usa has been hijacked by corrupt politicians.yes 99% of our elected poloticians are corrupt and are running our country into the ground.at what point will the american people stand up,take notice,unite and do something about it?it will happen.hopefully sooner than later.


food $ up,fuel up,prices on everything up,
value of the dollar SINKIN FAST,
huge oil profts,huge
lazy,blind congress in power
dumbass president,lier,cheat,trezonist P.O.S
chaney...,i dont have to say shit.
the list goes on for days.

look what the people do after they get elceted,by us.
its a crime guys.

THIS IS AMERICA,NOT EUROPE. WHATS WITH ALL THE CAMERAS?major surveillance
is being put up everywhere.8 cameras at every intersection.AND WHERE ARE THE VIDEOS OF THE PLANE HITTING OUR PENIGON ON 911?you have to be an idiot to not see we are being fucked.for real.where is all the video footage of the penigon being hit?

you are being conned by a trezionis bunch of office holders.shirt and tie cockbites.








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I believe we need to do something as citizens but....as soon as you can spell out a plan, let me know
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I'm sure it'll get to that point, but desperation hasn't reached that depth yet.

I figure when wages are the same, milk is $10/gal, fuel is outrageous, unemployment is 20+ % and the government continues to whore us out, then people will say "Wait! What happened?"

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the usa has been hijacked by corrupt politicians.yes 99% of our elected poloticians are corrupt and are running our country into the ground.at what point will the american people stand up,take notice,unite and do something about it?it will happen.hopefully sooner than later.


food $ up,fuel up,prices on everything up,
value of the dollar SINKIN FAST,
huge oil profts,huge
lazy,blind congress in power
dumbass president,lier,cheat,trezonist P.O.S
chaney...,i dont have to say shit.
the list goes on for days.

look what the people do after they get elceted,by us.
its a crime guys.

THIS IS AMERICA,NOT EUROPE. WHATS WITH ALL THE CAMERAS?major surveillance
is being put up everywhere.8 cameras at every intersection.AND WHERE ARE THE VIDEOS OF THE PLANE HITTING OUR PENIGON ON 911?you have to be an idiot to not see we are being fucked.for real.where is all the video footage of the penigon being hit?

you are being conned by a trezionis bunch of office holders.shirt and tie cockbites.








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I'm going to try to translate:

The U.S.A. has been hijacked by our own politicians. Ninety nine percent of those in power are corrupt and this corruption has been running our country into the ground. At what point will we, as Americans, stand up and do something about it?

Food, fuel and other prices have risen while the American Dollar has plummeted.
The oil companies rake in huge profits while overfed politicans turn a blind eye.
The President is about as inteligent as most dropout C students and can be accused of treasonous activities. He is a liar and a cheat.
Chaney.....Yeah...too easy

This is America, not Nazi Germany. Why do we have so many cameras everywhere? Why do we have Big Brother peering into our lives so much when there isn't any pictures of the planes striking the Pentagon? It's absurd.

We all are being conned by liars and cheats.

I think that's what he meant.
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While you may have a point in some circles.
The way of expressing your self is not helping your cause.
Good luck and better luck next time.
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I'm going to try to translate:

The U.S.A. has been hijacked by our own politicians. Ninety nine percent of those in power are corrupt and this corruption has been running our country into the ground. At what point will we, as Americans, stand up and do something about it?

Food, fuel and other prices have risen while the American Dollar has plummeted.
The oil companies rake in huge profits while overfed politicans turn a blind eye.
The President is about as inteligent as most dropout C students and can be accused of treasonous activities. He is a liar and a cheat.
Chaney.....Yeah...too easy

This is America, not Nazi Germany. Why do we have so many cameras everywhere? Why do we have Big Brother peering into our lives so much when there isn't any pictures of the planes striking the Pentagon? It's absurd.

We all are being conned by liars and cheats.

I think that's what he meant.
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the usa has been hijacked by corrupt politicians.yes 99% of our elected poloticians are corrupt and are running our country into the ground.at what point will the american people stand up,take notice,unite and do something about it?it will happen.hopefully sooner than later.


food $ up,fuel up,prices on everything up,
value of the dollar SINKIN FAST,
huge oil profts,huge
lazy,blind congress in power
dumbass president,lier,cheat,trezonist P.O.S
chaney...,i dont have to say shit.
the list goes on for days.

look what the people do after they get elceted,by us.
its a crime guys.

THIS IS AMERICA,NOT EUROPE. WHATS WITH ALL THE CAMERAS?major surveillance
is being put up everywhere.8 cameras at every intersection.AND WHERE ARE THE VIDEOS OF THE PLANE HITTING OUR PENIGON ON 911?you have to be an idiot to not see we are being fucked.for real.where is all the video footage of the penigon being hit?

you are being conned by a trezionis bunch of office holders.shirt and tie cockbites.








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the usa has been hijacked by corrupt politicians.yes 99% of our elected poloticians are corrupt and are running our country into the ground.at what point will the american people stand up,take notice,unite and do something about it?it will happen.hopefully sooner than later.
do something, run for office, I'm sure you can save us.
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they are all important issues.why not bring them up?do you disagree with them?

hookem,that alex jones shit is old.how do you know somuch about alex jones anyway?have you seen anyother video/pics of the sureillance cams?

first thing i saw on the local news this morning was a report on how food prices are getting jacked up more.


im not the best at explaining shit i know.seems like more of you would want to hear things that are important.

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Dude do you know how many depressions and times of inflation this country has been through. We may be facing hardships, but it's still cake compared to the 30s or the recession of the 1890s
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Dude do you know how many depressions and times of inflation this country has been through. We may be facing hardships, but it's still cake compared to the 30s or the recession of the 1890s
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If I were you I would be more concerned about the fact that you are illiterate. For you I would suggest taking baby steps before graduating yourself into the subject of politics.

It's does not make for a very effective diatribe when you use broken sentences and can't spell the word treason.

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im not the best at explaining shit i know.
You got that right. Please, for the love of God, people... STOP BELIEVING EVEYTHING YOU READ ON THE INTERNET!!!

Prices of commodities are up because the dollar is so weak, not just because their value is increasing. Hell, I'd raise the price of something I had (like oil) if I knew you people would keep buying it like there was no tomorrow. Bitch at the wealthy businesses and lenders who fucked us over about our dollar. Bitch among yourselves, you greedy fucking 30K millionaires. Shame on ANYONE who buys a house and can't afford it.

Iraq was a threat. More clarification to come.

Planes hit the Twin Towers AND the Pentagon.

We have terrorists among us and immigration isn't helping that. Illegal immigration is also depleting our resouces and benefits. Let's just blame the current Adminstration for failed policies that haven't been effective SINCE DAY ONE!

Congress is more dangerous and less helpful than ever. How many of our Presidential candidates are Congressmen?

Yes, Bush is an idiot, but I don't think he did anything out of deception. I do, however, put full blame on the Cheney/Rumsfeldt combo. They did lie and manipulate Bush, Colin Powell, the CIA, the UN, Congress and the rest of us when the initial report about Iraq was released. The things that were found was not what was reported, but still definately a threat. For that, I am thankful we went in. The initial goals were accomplished, but the new goals have been missed (but not by too far). Sustainment in Iraq has been severely mismanaged. That, I do put blame on Bush. A quick exit IS NOT an option. We are responsible for the good that we have done over there and must responsibly leave. Even if everything was hunky-dory out there now, the best case scenario withdraw would take AT LEAST a year or two. Not to mention have somewhat of an occupation out there for years (like we did in Germany).

Now, onto new new kids on the block...
Obama had the same information that the rest of Congress had when Bush was pushing for an offensive against Iraq, yet he didn't give his approval. This, I have a BIG problem with. It shows just how bad things can be and have a "leader" who is willing to sit idle. Fuck that. He does not want the common American to be armed. He does not want America to have a nuclear program. In fact, he does not want America to be a superpower. He will evacuate Iraq at a dangerous rate, causing a regional (if not global) disaster. I won't get into the rest of the issues because you people would have nightmares.

Hillary is nothing but a puppet who will say anything and everything to get into office (moreso than any other politician in the history of politics). She will sell anyone, even her own country, down river to save herself. She is one of the biggest Socialists in our modern day governing body. Big government is what she's about. The American people need/deserve to be responsible for their own action and lives.

McCain is a person who deserves every bit of respect he can get as a war hero, but leave it as that. It has nothing to do with him being a politican (aside from getting him in the door). His lack of focus on immigration worries the shit out of me. He preaches national defense, yet misses the closest threat of all. Speaking as a Republican, I couldn't think of a weaker candidate for office. The best I can hope for out of him is that he chooses his running mate and support staff wisely.









This will mark one of America's darkest periods (at least the next few years). That "lock and load" comment you posted was about the only sound bit of information you spewwed.
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whatever,dont question authority.by all means.follow the leader.

you guys are quick to dis somebody.nevermind those issues are real and important.but hey,its easier to shoot someone down than to get educated and try to tell others.it really shows your ignorance.can you not tell that we are on a downword spiral?really man,wake up.

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You got that right. Please, for the love of God, people... STOP BELIEVING EVEYTHING YOU READ ON THE INTERNET!!!

Prices of commodities are up because the dollar is so weak, not just because their value is increasing. Hell, I'd raise the price of something I had (like oil) if I knew you people would keep buying it like there was no tomorrow. Bitch at the wealthy businesses and lenders who fucked us over about our dollar. Bitch among yourselves, you greedy fucking 30K millionaires. Shame on ANYONE who buys a house and can't afford it.

Iraq was a threat. More clarification to come.

Planes hit the Twin Towers AND the Pentagon.

We have terrorists among us and immigration isn't helping that. Illegal immigration is also depleting our resouces and benefits. Let's just blame the current Adminstration for failed policies that haven't been effective SINCE DAY ONE!

Congress is more dangerous and less helpful than ever. How many of our Presidential candidates are Congressmen?

Yes, Bush is an idiot, but I don't think he did anything out of deception. I do, however, put full blame on the Cheney/Rumsfeldt combo. They did lie and manipulate Bush, Colin Powell, the CIA, the UN, Congress and the rest of us when the initial report about Iraq was released. The things that were found was not what was reported, but still definately a threat. For that, I am thankful we went in. The initial goals were accomplished, but the new goals have been missed (but not by too far). Sustainment in Iraq has been severely mismanaged. That, I do put blame on Bush. A quick exit IS NOT an option. We are responsible for the good that we have done over there and must responsibly leave. Even if everything was hunky-dory out there now, the best case scenario withdraw would take AT LEAST a year or two. Not to mention have somewhat of an occupation out there for years (like we did in Germany).

Now, onto new new kids on the block...
Obama had the same information that the rest of Congress had when Bush was pushing for an offensive against Iraq, yet he didn't give his approval. This, I have a BIG problem with. It shows just how bad things can be and have a "leader" who is willing to sit idle. Fuck that. He does not want the common American to be armed. He does not want America to have a nuclear program. In fact, he does not want America to be a superpower. He will evacuate Iraq at a dangerous rate, causing a regional (if not global) disaster. I won't get into the rest of the issues because you people would have nightmares.

Hillary is nothing but a puppet who will say anything and everything to get into office (moreso than any other politician in the history of politics). She will sell anyone, even her own country, down river to save herself. She is one of the biggest Socialists in our modern day governing body. Big government is what she's about. The American people need/deserve to be responsible for their own action and lives.

McCain is a person who deserves every bit of respect he can get as a war hero, but leave it as that. It has nothing to do with him being a politican (aside from getting him in the door). His lack of focus on immigration worries the shit out of me. He preaches national defense, yet misses the closest threat of all. Speaking as a Republican, I couldn't think of a weaker candidate for office. The best I can hope for out of him is that he chooses his running mate and support staff wisely.









This will mark one of America's darkest periods (at least the next few years). That "lock and load" comment you posted was about the only sound bit of information you spewwed.
Damn Denny that is one of the best post I have ever read on this board. What do you think about Mitt Romnie as his running mate?

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I'm not going to bother with disecting the rest of your post, as Denny has already done so. You don't bother to reply to evidence. For example, you run with this wild arse story about no plane hitting the Pentagon. The response is a picture of plane wreckage from said Pentagon, and your response is "yea, so? What does that prove?"


You're just stirring the pot, and have no way to defend your outlandish commentary.

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whatever,dont question authority.by all means.follow the leader.

you guys are quick to dis somebody.nevermind those issues are real and important.but hey,its easier to shoot someone down than to get educated and try to tell others.it really shows your ignorance.can you not tell that we are on a downword spiral?really man,wake up.

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Mitt as a VP woudl be a genius move. And a way to rally the conservative faction of the party. Will he do it? Who knows, but his choice of VP is crucial. He can't whiff on this one.

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Damn Denny that is one of the best post I have ever read on this board. What do you think about Mitt Romnie as his running mate?

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Damn Denny that is one of the best post I have ever read on this board. What do you think about Mitt Romnie as his running mate?
Like HookEr said, it would be one of the best moves he can make, but I doubt that it'll happen since their views on a lot of things clash. You have to remember that McCain is one of the most liberal Republicans out there.
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whatever,dont question authority.by all means.follow the leader.

you guys are quick to dis somebody.nevermind those issues are real and important.but hey,its easier to shoot someone down than to get educated and try to tell others.it really shows your ignorance.can you not tell that we are on a downword spiral?really man,wake up.
I hope you posted this BEFORE you read my post. If not, I'm sorry for you and any other offspring you produce.
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I'm sure it'll get to that point, but desperation hasn't reached that depth yet.

I figure when wages are the same, milk is $10/gal, fuel is outrageous, unemployment is 20+ % and the government continues to whore us out, then people will say "Wait! What happened?"
A revoultion's chance will improve when the majority of americans are unable to provide for their families. So far I don't see that in our future. However, I do see plenty of change afoot and like 01whitecobra has said it is possible to make money in any economy if you are smart and well informed. I've always said that change brings opportunity.

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A revoultion's chance will improve when the majority of americans are unable to provide for their families. So far I don't see that in our future. However, I do see plenty of change afoot and like 01whitecobra has said it is possible to make money in any economy if you are smart and well informed. I've always said that change brings opportunity.

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As sick as this may sound, this country has never been so divided since the Civil War as it is now. The biggest problem of our people today is their own ignorance and lack of accepting responsibility for themselves. Those elements mixed with economical unstability makes anything possible.
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As sick as this may sound, this country has never been so divided since the Civil War as it is now. The biggest problem of our people today is their own ignorance and lack of accepting responsibility for themselves. Those elements mixed with economical unstability makes anything possible.
I agree, the character of the country and the makeup of people changed in the late 60's with the hippies, free love, and vietnam. The generation before that is called the "greatest generaton" for a reason, having endured WW2, the great depression, and all of the hardships that came with those events. The hardest thing the average person today has had to endure is not being able to find a wii. The lack of personal savings and the credit crunch that most people seem to be in is very telling about what this generation finds to be most important.
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We've moved from having three classes of people to two classes of people with the change from an industrial nation to a service nation.

Alot of people didn't make (didn't want) the change and we are slowly seeing the middle class evaporate.

The have's population will continue to shrink as more wealth is concentrated in fewer hands and the have not's population will continue to grow. Unfortunately the have not's wealth will continue to shrink as the have's continue to grab for it.

There will be a revolution, not with guns, but with socio-economic changes that will move us more into a socialistic society with no middle class. The have's won't care because they'll have enough wealth for generations.

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We've moved from having three classes of people to two classes of people with the change from an industrial nation to a service nation.

Alot of people didn't make (didn't want) the change and we are slowly seeing the middle class evaporate.

The have's population will continue to shrink as more wealth is concentrated in fewer hands and the have not's population will continue to grow. Unfortunately the have not's wealth will continue to shrink as the have's continue to grab for it.

There will be a revolution, not with guns, but with socio-economic changes that will move us more into a socialistic society with no middle class. The have's won't care because they'll have enough wealth for generations.
But those socio-economic changes, moving us toward a Communist, uh err, Socialistic society might bring about the revolution involving weapons. People don't want to be controlled and they don't want to be poor (if they're not already rich).
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But those socio-economic changes, moving us toward a Communist, uh err, Socialistic society might bring about the revolution involving weapons. People don't want to be controlled and they don't want to be poor (if they're not already rich).
We're already seeing the changes.

For example, I cannot believe that the Senate was actually looking to give up billions of our tax dollars to help people underwater on their homes.

The changes will be slight and like the frog in the boiling water experiment no one will know the changes will happen. Generations will grow up with the change and accept it as the way it is.

Look at the welfare families in America that have survived on welfare a couple of generations. These kids grow up thinking the government just hands out checks as a matter of fact.

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Kinda like they thought that the goverment was going to come rescue them from their porches in New Orleans. Instead they waited and could not or should i say would not help themselves.

People are so stupid they let the government take away our rights as natral born citizens of this country and give it away to illegals.

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Watching Bernanke give non-answers on CNBC does give a little creedence to the idea of a revolution.

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Kinda like they thought that the goverment was going to come rescue them from their porches in New Orleans. Instead they waited and could not or should i say would not help themselves.

People are so stupid they let the government take away our rights as natral born citizens of this country and give it away to illegals.
Actually, that's where the government SHOULD have been there to help. FEMA failed severely. Their state's government failed them severely. The municipality failed horribly. Proper notification should have been sent out. Proper planning for rescue and support efforts should have been quadupled. Preventative maintenance was crap for the water barrier. The storm was underestimated. People were too ignorant/stubborn to leave. Way too many fingers to point than I have time to post in this.
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whatever,dont question authority.by all means.follow the leader.

you guys are quick to dis somebody.nevermind those issues are real and important.but hey,its easier to shoot someone down than to get educated and try to tell others.it really shows your ignorance.can you not tell that we are on a downword spiral?really man,wake up.
Wait I see the problem it's in your sig. You're just ignorant and believe in the first line of bs that's spoon fed to you. Are you at least in hs? I'd hope you're not in the real world.
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We're already seeing the changes.

For example, I cannot believe that the Senate was actually looking to give up billions of our tax dollars to help people underwater on their homes.

The changes will be slight and like the frog in the boiling water experiment no one will know the changes will happen. Generations will grow up with the change and accept it as the way it is.

Look at the welfare families in America that have survived on welfare a couple of generations. These kids grow up thinking the government just hands out checks as a matter of fact.
True, the changes have been coming, slowly but surely. I think that there will be a straw that breaks the camel's back, but I don't know what it is yet.

I am not like most Americans, though. I hold myself responsible for my own actions. My financial state is because of decisions I've made, not my government. Only I can put myself in a better place. I don't look to the government to bail me out of mistakes. What I do look for in a government is the upkeep of our nation (roadways, schools, border, etc), the management of our spending, the leadership of our military, the enforcement of our laws, and the legislation of new laws/bills/amendments. I don't need them to dictate how much I get for retirement, what health care I need, how much I make to be placed in "the upper tax bracket," what the lesson plan for today is in my child's class, etc. Government should be limited, as it was when it was created.
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This is exactly what is wrong with America. We have uneducated people caming they are being screwed over by have no clue.
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ron paul brings real issues to the table.he seems a little cooky on the surface i agree but he still brings the tough issues.

you guys that just want to dis me are fools.
the stuff im talking about needs to be talked about.ie:"important issues"

im not saying we need a blood revolution,but a revolution indeed.you seem so closed minded to just get on here and start with the shitty comments.

try discussing one of the topics i spoke about.dispute the issues.

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ron paul brings real issues to the table.he seems a little cooky on the surface i agree but he still brings the tough issues.

you guys that just want to dis me are fools.
the stuff im talking about needs to be talked about.ie:"important issues"

im not saying we need a blood revolution,but a revolution indeed.you seem so closed minded to just get on here and start with the shitty comments.

try discussing one of the topics i spoke about.dispute the issues.
Dude, imagine you want to buy a car and the salesperson cannot give clear or accurate answers about your vehicle choice, except to say, "It be great"! You would probably not be really interested in his opinion because he came across so poorly.

You are that salesman, only you are a RP supporter. LOL

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lol explain it to us smart guy.what is wrong with ron paul?

let us hear it.

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lol explain it to us smart guy.what is wrong with ron paul?

let us hear it.
This is old territory. I have posted about it before he was even a bigger joke of a candidate than he is now.

BTW, you are a typical RP supporter in my opinion. How's that? LOL

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your an idiot.TELL US WHATS WRONG WITH RON PAUL.

the 10 term us senator
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the address's real issues when other avoid them.



TELL US THE FACTS ABOUT R.PAUL.

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In Congress, Ron Paul has been a major roadblock to securing our borders from Illegal Immigrants.

2005: Ron Paul voted against the Duncan Hunter (R-CA) Amendment to H.R. 4437 to increase border controls

Rep. Paul voted against the Hunter Amendment to H.R. 4437. The Hunter Amendment would shore up security by building fences and other physical infrastructure to keep out illegal aliens. The Hunter Amendment passed by a vote of 260-159.

2005: Ron Paul voted against H.R. 418 to increase border controls

Rep. Paul voted against H.R. 418 to strengthen border control by requiring completion of the last 3.5 miles of the San Diego border fence. As well, H.R. 418 would broaden the terrorism-related grounds for inadmissibility and deportability of aliens. H.R. 418 passed by a vote of 261-161.

2004: Ron Paul voted against the Virgil Goode (R-VA) Amendment to H.R. 4200 authorize the U.S. military on the border

Rep. Paul voted against authorizing the Secretary of Defense to assign members of the military, under certain conditions, to assist in the performance of border control functions. The Goode Amendment passed the House by a vote of 231-191.

2001: Voted against the Traficant Amendment to H.R. 2586 to authorize the use of troops on the border

Rep. Paul voted against authorizing the Attorney General and the Secretary of the Treasury to request that members of the Armed Forces assist the INS with border control efforts. The Traficant Amendment passed by a vote of 242-173.


General

“Ron Paul’s record contains some very laudable components,” said Club for Growth President Pat Toomey. “On taxes, regulation, and political speech, his record is superb. His spending record is impressive, though Paul has recently embraced pork-barrel projects in direct contradiction to his vociferous opposition to unconstitutional appropriations by the federal government.”

Unfortunately, his stubborn idealism often takes Ron Paul further away from achieving the limited-government, pro-growth philosophy he advocates. This is certainly the case with school choice, free trade, tort reform, and entitlement reform, in which he votes against vital free trade agreements, competitive school choice initiatives, and tort reform proposals.

Taxes

The Club for Growth is committed to lower taxes-especially lower tax rates- across the board. Lower taxes on work, savings, and investments lead to greater levels of these activities, thus encouraging greater economic growth.

Ron Paul’s record on taxes is excellent, epitomized by his rallying cry for phasing out the IRS. Over his career, he has backed up his speeches and articles with many pro-growth votes.

Spending

The Club for Growth is committed to reducing government spending. Less spending enhances economic growth by enabling lower taxes and diminishing the economically inefficient political allocation of resources.

Ron Paul’s history contains some curious indiscretions, including a vote for $232 million for federally mandated election reform (only 1 of 21 Republicans to vote for it) and a vote against the line-item veto-even after it was modified to pass constitutional muster. Paul’s record on pork was outstanding in 2006, voting for all 19 of Jeff Flake’s anti-pork amendments in 2006, but his record took a stark turn for the worse in 2007, in which Paul received an embarrassing 29% on the Club for Growth’s RePORK Card, voting for only 12 of the 50 anti-pork amendments. Some of the outrageous pork projects Paul voted to keep include $231,000 for the San Francisco Planning and Urban Research Association’s Urban Center; $129,000 for the “perfect Christmas tree project;” $300,000 for the On Location Entertainment Industry Craft Technician Training Project in California; $150,000 for the South Carolina Aquarium; and $500,000 for the National Mule and Packers Museum in California. This year, Ron Paul requested more than sixty earmarks “worth tens of millions of dollars for causes as diverse as rebuilding a Texas theater, funding a local trolley, and helping his state’s shrimp industry.”

Free Trade

Free trade is a vital policy for maximizing economic growth. In recent decades, America’s commitment to expanding trade has resulted in lower costs for consumers, job growth, and higher levels of productivity and innovation.

Ron Paul has opposed many free trade agreements during his time in Congress:
  • Voted against Fast Track Authority
  • Voted against a free trade agreement between the U.S. and Chile
  • Voted against free trade with Singapore
  • Voted against free trade with Australia
  • Voted against CAFTA
  • Voted against the U.S.-Bahrain trade agreement
  • Voted against the Oman trade agreement
  • Voted against normal trade relations with Vietnam
While Paul’s rhetoric is soundly pro-free trade, his voting record mirrors those of Congress’s worst protectionists.

Entitlement Reform

America’s major middle-class entitlement programs are already insolvent. The Club for Growth supports entitlement reforms that enable personal ownership of retirement and healthcare programs, benefit from market returns, and diminish dependency on government.

Rep. Paul’s limited-government philosophy found a particularly useful victim in the country’s entitlement programs.
But the recurring theme of Paul’s career is his frequent willingness to let unattainable ideals obstruct attainable progress towards those ideals. Just as in trade, this tendency leaves Paul opposing pro-growth reforms of Social Security. He opposes allowing workers to divert some Social Security payroll taxes into private retirement accounts, arguing instead for cutting payroll taxes and leaving it up to workers to do what they will with the savings. While the ideal is admirable, it is not a sufficient reason to oppose the pro-growth, expansion of freedom that personally-owned retirement accounts represent.

The Congressman was also 1 of only 4 Republicans to join the Democrats in voting against the extension of welfare reform in 2002.

Regulation

Excessive government regulation stymies individual and business innovation necessary for strong economic expansion. The Club for Growth supports less and more sensible government regulation as a critical step toward increasing freedom and growth in the marketplace.

Nicknamed “Dr. No,” Rep. Paul has spent his career voting against a slew of big-government, regulatory bills. This impressive record contains a couple of odd votes, such as his vote for an amendment delaying oil and gas production in the Gulf of Mexico. More curious is Paul’s support for legislation requiring the Department of Health and Human Services to negotiate Medicare drug prices with drug companies, which is likely to lead to de facto price controls. These votes aside, Paul’s record on regulation demonstrates a consistent aversion to government intervention in the private sector and an appreciation for the role limited government plays in furthering economic growth.

School Choice

The Club for Growth supports broad school choice, including charter schools, voucher programs, and tax credits that create a competitive education market including public, private, religious, and non-religious schools. More competition in education can only lead to higher quality and lower costs.

Ron Paul’s opposition to school choice stems from his opposition to the government’s role in education, arguing that federal voucher programs are “little more than another tax-funded welfare program establishing an entitlement to a private school education.” He consistently voted against voucher programs, including a 1998 school voucher program for D.C. public school students, and a 2003 bill for a DC voucher program.

While Paul’s sentiment is understandable, it doesn’t change the fact that his votes are a direct impediment to achieving high-quality school choice. By voting against school choice programs, Paul is aligning himself with Democrats and the National Education Association in opposing progress towards achieving a truly competitive, market-based education system.

Political Free Speech

Maximizing prosperity requires sound government policies. When the government strays from these policies, citizens must be free to exercise their constitutional rights to petition and criticize those policies and the politicians responsible for them.Ron Paul has a stellar record of protecting political free speech. There is no question about Rep. Paul’s steadfast respect for the First Amendment.

Tort Reform

The American economy suffers from excessive litigation which increases the cost of doing business and slows economic growth. The Club for Growth supports major reforms to our tort system to restore a more just and less costly balance in tort litigation.

Representative Paul opposes federal tort reform for the same reason he opposes most federal solutions-he believes the federal approach “damages the Constitution by denying states the right to decide their own local medical standards and legal rules.”

While Paul’s idealism is laudable, he has not offered a viable alternative for dealing with a problem that is hurting American consumers and businesses, while diminishing our international competitiveness.

Summation

When it comes to limited government, there are few champions as steadfast and principled as Representative Ron Paul. In the House of Representatives, he plays a very useful role constantly challenging the status quo and reminding his colleagues, despite their frequent indifference, that our Constitution was meant to limit the power of government. On taxes, regulation, and political free speech his record is outstanding. While his recent pork votes are troubling, the vast majority of his anti-spending votes reflect a longstanding desire to cut government down to size.

But Ron Paul is a purist, too often at the cost of real accomplishments on free trade, school choice, entitlement reform, and tort reform.


Ron Paul supporters are easy to recognize, their signature headgear, when properly applied also keeps fat from dripping on your grill and flaring up. Also his name is Barry.
Ron Paul supporters not only appear when his name is invoked 3 times, it drives them crazy, an admittedly short trip.

The Federal Reserve killed most of Ron Paul's supporters puppies.

If you're bitten by a Ron Paul supporter if you don't become one, you do become a carrier.

Where do Ron Paul supporters have their meetups? A house of mirrors.

Ron Paul supporters never get sick and can only be killed by decapitating them. There can be/is only one.

When Ron Paul returns to the Earth, his followers believe he will restore the constitution so well that the ink will smell wet and also miraculously restore the moat around America to its pre-civil war glory.

To a Ron Paul supporter the first 10 amendments to the U.S. Constitution are collectively known as the Bill of WRONGS!

Every time a bell rings a Ron Paul supporter get his mouth very salivated.

Ron Paul supporters think everyone who doesn't support him fears him like they fear getting abducted by aliens, again.

When the feces found in the U.S. Capital was determined to be Ron Paul's, his supporters were quick to hail it the best idea, anywhere, ever and also delicious.

If Ron Paul falls in a forest, his supporter(s) will claim it's because gravity is inherently unconstitutional.

Some claim Ron Paul supporters spam online polls, the truth is they just all have the same I.P. address because... Hey! LOOK kittens!

The most ardent of Ron Paul's followers think the US government is too big when it has more people than the secret number Ron Paul has written on his magic anti-alien hemp underpants.



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your an idiot.TELL US WHATS WRONG WITH RON PAUL.

the 10 term us senator
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TELL US THE FACTS ABOUT R.PAUL.

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I agree, the character of the country and the makeup of people changed in the late 60's with the hippies, free love, and vietnam. The generation before that is called the "greatest generaton" for a reason, having endured WW2, the great depression, and all of the hardships that came with those events. The hardest thing the average person today has had to endure is not being able to find a wii. The lack of personal savings and the credit crunch that most people seem to be in is very telling about what this generation finds to be most important.
That's exactly why I think fast83 has a damned good point. I don't give a shit if he can spell or not. Unless I'm paying attention to the wrong reality we need to get some defending started while there's still something to defend. What do we gain by learning to accept the shit burgers at twice the price we're offered? I'm watching the truckers currently. They've had enough. And American Airlines employees are about to tell their "very important" overpaid and overbonused execs to go fuck themselves.

HookEm, you're full of shit and wouldn't know a decent leader if he gave you a crystal ball.

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Mitt as a VP woudl be a genius move. And a way to rally the conservative faction of the party. Will he do it? Who knows, but his choice of VP is crucial. He can't whiff on this one.
LOL at the conservative faction of the party rallying around any ticket with McCain on it.

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That's exactly why I think fast83 has a damned good point. I don't give a shit if he can spell or not. Unless I'm paying attention to the wrong reality we need to get some defending started while there's still something to defend. What do we gain by learning to accept the shit burgers at twice the price we're offered? I'm watching the truckers currently. They've had enough. And American Airlines employees are about to tell their "very important" overpaid and overbonused execs to go fuck themselves.

HookEm, you're full of shit and wouldn't know a decent leader if he gave you a crystal ball.
How do you "defend" against a character change that many people in the country have experienced? I have an answer but many on this site will reject it.
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The have's population will continue to shrink as more wealth is concentrated in fewer hands and the have not's population will continue to grow. Unfortunately the have not's wealth will continue to shrink as the have's continue to grab for it.

There will be a revolution, not with guns, but with socio-economic changes that will move us more into a socialistic society with no middle class. The have's won't care because they'll have enough wealth for generations.
That's the plan surrounding the middle class from all sides as I see it.

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Ron Paul is in bed with Alex Jones and the rest of the 9/11 inside job nuts. He's an idiot.

Ron Paul: Conspiracy Theorist

Posted Jul 13th 2007 12:41PM by Scott
Filed under: President 2008, Republicans, Ron Paul

We've known for quite some time that Ron Paul is a "9/11 Truther" (or at least supported by those who are)--one who believes that 9/11 was done with the knowledge or complicity of the Bush administration. Now he's agreeing that conspiracies that have not yet happened will in fact come to pass:
Speaking to The Alex Jones Show, the Texas Congressman was asked his opinion on Cindy Sheehan's recent comments that the U.S. is in danger of a staged terror attack or a Gulf of Tonkin style provocation that will validate the Neo-Con agenda and lead to the implementation of the infrastructure of martial law that Bush recently signed into law via executive order, as well as public pronouncements from prominent officials that the West needs terrorism to save a doomed foreign policy.

"I think we're in great danger of it," responded the Congressman, "We're in danger in many ways, the attack on our civil liberties here at home, the foreign policy that's in shambles and our obligations overseas and commitment which endangers our troops and our national defense."

He believes that a terror attack will be staged to allow the evil Neo-cons of the Bush administration unimpeded access to attack Iran.

OK, I've had serious issues with Ron Paul's campaign. Besides his hypocrisy on earmarks and other issues, he's pretty much been...well, sane. Now, I'm not quite sure.

Here we have a presidential candidate (sure, one who is polling at 0%) who is saying on the record that he believes the current administration is capable of faking a terror attack, which will kill people, simply to advance their ideology. That's not campaigning, that's in the realm of JFK conspiracy theorists and Heavens Gate.

I was a huge critic of Bill Clinton and his policies -- including his non-action when the embassies and the USS Cole were attacked. I would never, ever, suggest that Clinton was capable of staging an attack to push his policies through. Maybe I'm naive in that assumption about any government official, but for Ron Paul to even consider this -- let alone say it out loud and on the air--is inconceivable to the average American.

Ron Paul's campaign has attracted a large Internet following, one that is boisterous and vocal (watch the comments to this post), but to think that they could defend this is preposterous and downright scary. The thought of the Ron Paul Brigades in tin hats is, of course, amusing though.




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That's exactly why I think fast83 has a damned good point. I don't give a shit if he can spell or not. Unless I'm paying attention to the wrong reality we need to get some defending started while there's still something to defend. What do we gain by learning to accept the shit burgers at twice the price we're offered? I'm watching the truckers currently. They've had enough. And American Airlines employees are about to tell their "very important" overpaid and overbonused execs to go fuck themselves.

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wait...

didn't Chevrolet already start the American Revolution?

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How do you "defend" against a character change that many people in the country have experienced? I have an answer but many on this site will reject it.
If by character change you mean more lazy, entitled, greedy, and power grabbing types, that does not describe most of the American population. If we continue to ask "..how do we..?" for much longer we might as well go ahead and get in that long line and learn to do what we're told.

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Ron Paul is in bed with Alex Jones and the rest of the 9/11 inside job nuts. He's an idiot.

Ron Paul: Conspiracy Theorist

Posted Jul 13th 2007 12:41PM by Scott
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We've known for quite some time that Ron Paul is a "9/11 Truther" (or at least supported by those who are).
Yep. Full O Shit. Think for yourself asshole.

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