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WASHINGTON (AP) - President Bush said Wednesday that the United States has to "get off oil" to reduce dependence on foreign suppliers and declared "it should be obvious" that high demand is creating painful gasoline prices.
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I totally agree with his statement. I have said before that we should raise gasoline taxes to discourage use.
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Our society is built upon transportation, and as such I'm curious how we are to 'stop using it'.

And taxes go to the government. So the literal translation of this means 'give more of your money to the government, to the point that you can't afford it anymore'. Tell me again how this 'helps' society in general get off of oil?

Why can't we do things like encourage companies to utilize home based employees who use neato things like remote desktop? Why can't we offer incentives to ride the bus? Why can't we do things like offer incentives for car pooling? Why can't the city engineers do silly little things like synchronizing traffic lights? Why not get proactive on building roadways to handle the load, as opposed to being reactive, resulting in endless traffic jams? Hey, let's ramp up the smart electronics in cars, so that they 'auto drive'. If the cars monitor the distances between themselves you could eliminate traffic jams due to the removal of the idiot factor overnight. All of these 'off the cuff' ideas would reduce our usage, yet the easy answer is to give the government more of your money.

There are tons of things that can be done to lessen the usage of oil, yet the easy answer seems to be increasing profit margins to never before seen levels and raising taxes further, all on the backs of those who have no choice in the matter but to bear the burden. Highter taxes is nothing more than that.
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I totally agree with his statement.
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I have said before that we should raise gasoline taxes to discourage use.
That's about the worst idea I've ever heard in my life. Next to Larry the Cable Guy movies, of course.

"discourage use"? Most of America isn't like the small towns of Europe, where trains and buses can get you where you want to go. If I had to take a bus to work, for some reason, it would take over an hour, and I live and work in Dallas. Not to mention, if gas prices went up, the bus prices would go up.

No, all higher gas prices do, is prevent luxury spending. Hell, sometimes it prevents other necessity spending. Which along with the housing sector, is sending our economy to recession. Did you agree with Bush when he said we weren't heading for the recession that EVERY economist says we're heading for?
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Our society is built upon transportation, and as such I'm curious how we are to 'stop using it'.

And taxes go to the government. So the literal translation of this means 'give more of your money to the government, to the point that you can't afford it anymore'. Tell me again how this 'helps' society in general get off of oil?

Why can't we do things like encourage companies to utilize home based employees who use neato things like remote desktop? Why can't we offer incentives to ride the bus? Why can't we do things like offer incentives for car pooling? Why can't the city engineers do silly little things like synchronizing traffic lights? Why not get proactive on building roadways to handle the load, as opposed to being reactive, resulting in endless traffic jams? Hey, let's ramp up the smart electronics in cars, so that they 'auto drive'. If the cars monitor the distances between themselves you could eliminate traffic jams due to the removal of the idiot factor overnight. All of these 'off the cuff' ideas would reduce our usage, yet the easy answer is to give the government more of your money.

There are tons of things that can be done to lessen the usage of oil, yet the easy answer seems to be increasing profit margins to never before seen levels and raising taxes further, all on the backs of those who have no choice in the matter but to bear the burden. Highter taxes is nothing more than that.

I think the United States should OUTLAW Fossil Fuel Burning Power Plants. I hate to say it, but France has the right outlook on their power plants. They are all Nuclear Powered. Our power plants drain a lot of oil and refinery capcity, why not just use Nuke power to fuel our homes.

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Raising taxes to discourage use will do nothing but make the people wanna kick you in the ass. Convincing them that their dependance is ridiculous and that their priorities are skewed is a better, yet more difficult route. Once achieved, though, it'll be more efficient. This process should be repeated with every other imported product/commodity. Fuck foreign dependance!!!

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Oil is the life blood of the economic engine that drives our country... we've got to have it for now.

Immediate steps should be taken by our government to kick start a nuclear energy initiative to provide power for our batteries, our homes, our businesses and our cities.

Also we should be investing in nuclear & alternative energy sources to power our vehicles...

The sooner I can have a Flux Capacitor to power the electric drive motors on my new vehicle, the better I'll like it.

It's coming one of these days, why not sooner than later?

Oh and btw... we'll be selling that technology to China and India, the rag heads can discount their oil to uneard of prices, it'll cost more to get it outta' the ground and refine it, than it'll ever be worth again.

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I totally agree with his statement. I have said before that we should raise gasoline taxes to discourage use.
It didn't work for Nixon, it didn't work for Carter, and removing and deregulating boosted the Reagan economy. Why would it work now? Artificially limiting resources inflates their value, especially when those limitations are localized.

Its not an issue of use it now or save it for later, its an issue of use it now or lose it later. Look at the difference in agricultural production in West Texas vs Eastern New Mexico. They share an aquifer. New Mexico conserves it. Texas is using it. Apply the same to petroleum, the US could conserve, but China and India would not stop.
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A nuclear powered car sounds fun?
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A nuclear powered car sounds fun?

No doubt. That would be the fuckin' bomb!
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IMO electric cars are going to actually become practical in the next 10 to 15 years.

Start building a big ole butt load of Nuke plants now and we can start to ween ourself off oil...

Oh, and the gas tax idea is bullshit. The only way I'm ok with Gas taxes is if they are going to build more roads.

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Since when does a power plant use any kind of petroleum product to produce energy? Don't they use coal? The use of fuel in the U.S. is like the eating habits. They use way more than needed. "Need" being the key. How many people actually need a big ass truck or suv to commute?
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Since when does a power plant use any kind of petroleum product to produce energy? Don't they use coal? The use of fuel in the U.S. is like the eating habits. They use way more than needed. "Need" being the key. How many people actually need a big ass truck or suv to commute?

How many people 'need' a house to live in? A tent would suffice quite well!
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More guns in the hands of more people would fix the oil issue. CHL FTW!

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Since when does a power plant use any kind of petroleum product to produce energy? Don't they use coal?
A lot of plants use natural gas.

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No doubt. That would be the fuckin' bomb!
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I almost had soup in my nose after that.
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IMO electric cars are going to actually become practical in the next 10 to 15 years.

Start building a big ole butt load of Nuke plants now and we can start to ween ourself off oil...

Oh, and the gas tax idea is bullshit. The only way I'm ok with Gas taxes is if they are going to build more roads.

what runs the electrical grid which those electric cars plug into? coal and oil.
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what runs the electrical grid which those electric cars plug into? coal and oil.
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I might be mistaken, but it seems like you sure have it out for guns, gun owners, and/or concealed handgun/concealed handgun license-holders. What do you have against them?


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I might be mistaken, but it seems like you sure have it out for guns, gun owners, and/or concealed handgun/concealed handgun license-holders. What do you have against them?
Gun envy. He has a little bitty gun so naturally he hates everyone who has a big gun.
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If all the alternative fuels were great and profittable, then why do they have to be subsidised by the gov't? Because the true cost isn't known and they are already losing money.

ANY Tax = Bad idea.

What is the cost of fuel in the middle east?

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what runs the electrical grid which those electric cars plug into? coal and oil.
Uh no..

Coal, Natural Gas, and Nuclear.

There are VERY few oil burning power plants left in this country. Coal and NG are too cheap (even at todays prices) Nuclear power is likely to take a solid foot hold in the next decade. Several are in the planning stages now. Even the environmentalist are getting the fuck out of the way of new Nuke plants.

Electricity (even at our rates today) cost a TON less to fuel your car than gas does. Electric motors are vastly more efficient and even more powerful than gas engines. The only downside has always been the battery. That downside is finally being worked out. If technologies like Silicone nanotubes pan out, we'll have electric cars with 400mile ranges that can be charged at home. Just toss in a small gas engine with a generator for backup power. (as Chevy is doing with the Volt)

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ANY Tax = Bad idea.
Well, I won't go THAT far. IMO Gasoline taxes that are used to build roads, bridges, and transportation infrastructure are a good thing for several reasons...

1. Gasoline taxes are the ultimate fair tax. We all pay the same. An SUV that puts more wear and tear on the road pays more tax than a 40mpg Chevy Aveo.
2. Gasoline taxes are not income redistribution. They are investments that provide a tangible return to everyone. Good roads mean easier and cheaper transportation of goods and services. It means jobs. It means we get to enjoy our Mustangs.
3. Toll Roads cost more and are not equal. A heavy SUV pays the same toll rate as that Aveo, even though the Aveo puts less wear on the road. Tolls can be (and in this area) are more expensive. For instance, in my old job I used to drive from Lake Dallas to Perot Systems in Plano. I have to drive through three toll gates at 75 cents each for a total of 3 bucks a day. If the GWB parkway had instead been built off a 5 cent increase in gas taxes I would be paying roughly 10 cents a day in extra taxes instead of tolls. That assumes I'm getting about 20mpg on a 20 mile commute.

Let me emphasis this. I have absolutely NO support for a gas tax that is basically a punitive tax used to change driving habits. For one, they don't work because everyone HAS to drive. They are just an excuse to tax the shit out of all of us. Secondly they are extremely painful to those in lower income brackets and affect them unfairly. To even suggest such a tax is either stupidity or an ignorance of reality.

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I just got back from visiting my wife's family in New Zealand. You want to hear BS? They are paying 2 bucks a liter. 8 bucks a gallon! And their inspection stickers are good for 6 months and cost a couple hundred bucks at a time and diesel cars are taxed several hundred bucks per 10k driving.
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I just got back from visiting my wife's family in New Zealand. You want to hear BS? They are paying 2 bucks a liter. 8 bucks a gallon! And their inspection stickers are good for 6 months and cost a couple hundred bucks at a time and diesel cars are taxed several hundred bucks per 10k driving.
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