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Republicans like McCain most, but Obama not too far behind

Keep in mind, this is the Washington Times, one of the most conservative major papers in the country.

My concern here is that Obama has enough popularity to siphon vote away from McCain in the General Election. Which goes back to my argument, a vote for Hillary today is a vote for McCain in November.

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Republicans like Sen. Barack Obama nearly as much as they like their own likely presidential nominee, Sen. John McCain, according to a new Fox 5/The Washington Times/Rasmussen Reports poll.

The survey determined that a quarter of self-identified Republicans rated Mr. McCain most likable, but nearly as many — 23 percent — chose Mr. Obama as most likable. And among all adults surveyed, Mr. Obama was rated likable by more people than Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton and Mr. McCain combined, underscoring the Illinois senator's appeal to voters across the political spectrum.

"There is something about Barack Obama that is hard to capture in polling and it's an enthusiasm, it's a freshness, it's an excitement he can generate that will certainly be a factor in the campaign," said pollster Scott Rasmussen.

Mr. Obama said his message and his brand of campaigning will help him compete in states traditionally hostile to Democrats, and the poll numbers suggest an opening for that approach.

By contrast, likability has never been Mr. McCain's strong suit — even long-shot Republican candidate Mike Huckabee was rated more likable in the poll, both among all adults and Republicans specifically. Mr. McCain instead is betting on his national-security credentials, and there the survey shows him topping both Democrats combined.

Mr. McCain led with 39 percent to Mr. Obama's 17 percent and Mrs. Clinton's 19 percent when those surveyed were asked who "will be the toughest on matters of national security." Even among self-identified Democrats, Mr. McCain fared decently with one in five rating him toughest.

Mr. McCain is well-aware of his advantage on that score, accusing Mr. Obama last week of misreading the terrorist threat in Iraq.

"I've been involved in every major national security challenge for the last 20 years," the Arizona senator said.

Mr. Obama responded last week that Mr. McCain's experience didn't help him make the right judgment on the war by supporting the invasion in the first place.

Mr. McCain will wrap up the Republican nomination if he sweeps primaries in Vermont, Rhode Island, Texas and Ohio today. Mrs. Clinton, meanwhile, trails Mr. Obama in delegates needed to win the Democratic nomination, and is looking for wins today to help her regain momentum.

Mr. Rasmussen said part of the New York senator's strategy has been to try to poke holes in Mr. Obama's veneer, and that has paid off in the past few days by removing some of the shine.

"That's the sort of challenge that Barack Obama is going to face — he's got to convert that intangible into something when the questions come," Mr. Rasmussen said.

But Mr. Obama brings more than just likability. Despite facing candidates with far more experience in government, he was rated smartest by 26 percent of those polled, more so than Mrs. Clinton, who won 22 percent, and Mr. McCain, who garnered 17 percent. Mr. Huckabee, a former Arkansas governor, was fourth with 10 percent.

Even among Democrats, Mr. Obama was rated smartest by nearly half — a full 10 percentage points more than Mrs. Clinton.

Mr. Obama also was wildly popular among independents and third-party members, 41 percent of whom rated him most likable.

The poll of 1,000 adults was taken Feb. 26 and 27, and found independent candidate Ralph Nader trailed on every measure, coming in below Rep. Ron Paul, Texas Republican, on likability, toughness on national security and on smarts.

A plurality of those polled said they thought Mr. Nader's new presidential bid will hurt Democrats most, with more than half of self-identified Democrats thinking he will hurt their chances this year.

In 2000, many Democrats blamed Mr. Nader's independent bid for siphoning off votes from their candidate, Al Gore, helping then-Gov. George W. Bush win the White House.


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post #2 of 32 (permalink) Old 03-04-2008, 08:19 AM
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The wife and I are voting and caucusing tonight... then try to sneak in a little cockusing as well
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I like Tom Cruise and Mel Gibson, doesn't mean they'd make a good president. Personally I can't stand Obama and I think McCain is a pompous ass but of the two I think McCain would do a better job running this country.
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There isn't a really good choice among the three...

Hitlary = vitriolic power hungry bitch

Obama = inexperienced and liberal

McCain = more of the same old white guy crap

What a shame it is that this is the best our political partys can come up with to lead our country.

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I think Obama is likable, but he won't get my vote.

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There isn't a really good choice among the three...

Hitlary = vitriolic power hungry bitch

Obama = inexperienced and liberal

McCain = more of the same old white guy crap

What a shame it is that this is the best our political partys can come up with to lead our country.

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Not quite true. The best our political party can come up with won't run.
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I think Obama is likable, but he won't get my vote.
Ya, I can see him being a likable guy, aside from the fact that he's the beginning of the end for this country.
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Ya, I can see him being a likable guy, aside from the fact that he's the beginning of the end for this country.
And that's why I don't like him.

That and he's the bastard child of Joel Olsteen and the Rock, two people I don't really care for either.

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And that's why I don't like him.

That and he's the bastard child of Joel Olsteen and the Rock, two people I don't really care for either.
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Ya, I can see him being a likable guy, aside from the fact that he's the beginning of the end for this country.
Really? It's that apocalyptic for you? I'm sorry, but if George Bush and all of his experience (he had none, compared to the 3 frontrunners, today) couldn't bring this country to non-existance, I'm pretty sure Barack Obama won't, either.
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I like Tom Cruise and Mel Gibson, doesn't mean they'd make a good president. Personally I can't stand Obama and I think McCain is a pompous ass but of the two I think McCain would do a better job running this country.
Tom Cruise, the interplanetary religious leader, and Mel Gibson, the anti-semite, aren't exactly good names to drop as actors you like, when, in the same sentence, promoting McCain.
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Really? It's that apocalyptic for you? I'm sorry, but if George Bush and all of his experience (he had none, compared to the 3 frontrunners, today) couldn't bring this country to non-existance, I'm pretty sure Barack Obama won't, either.
Bush had no experience compared to who?!?! The ONLY one with any executive experience as of now is Huckleberry and he's going nowhere. Bush was a governor. We've just got a few over-glorified senators running now. Big whoop

Obama has too much that he thinks he'd need to prove once he could get into Office. Starting with moving the troops out of the Middle East at an irresponsible rate. Apocalyptic for me?!?! Shit, bro... apocalyptic for ALL OF US!
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Tom Cruise, the interplanetary religious leader, and Mel Gibson, the anti-semite, aren't exactly good names to drop as actors you like, when, in the same sentence, promoting McCain.
I said he was a pompous ass, how is that promoting? I also like the pope and that doesn't make me a catholic.
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The wife and I are voting and caucusing tonight... then try to sneak in a little cockusing as well
Good luck with that. You can only caucus if you've early voted.
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Good luck with that. You can only caucus if you've early voted.
Better read up on that. Anyone who votes in the primaries can caucus, which begins 15 minutes after the 7pm voting deadline.
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Better read up on that. Anyone who votes in the primaries can caucus, which begins 15 minutes after the 7pm voting deadline.
Denny is right. You can caucus right after the voting ends. Early voting doesn't have anything to do with it...

I'm debating whether or not to head to the Democratic caucus tonight. Billary needs all the help she can get

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Denny is right. You can caucus right after the voting ends. Early voting doesn't have anything to do with it...

I'm debating whether or not to head to the Democratic caucus tonight. Billary needs all the help she can get
She's getting it from both the wife and your's truely
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LOL. Just sayin'. I think he has much more of chance today then I gave him credit for 3 months ago. I really thought Hillary would wipe him out but I miscalculated the distrust for the Clintons in the democratic party.

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LOL. Just sayin'. I think he has much more of chance today then I gave him credit for 3 months ago. I really thought Hillary would wipe him out but I miscalculated the distrust for the Clintons in the democratic party.
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Really? It's that apocalyptic for you? I'm sorry, but if George Bush and all of his experience (he had none, compared to the 3 frontrunners, today) couldn't bring this country to non-existance, I'm pretty sure Barack Obama won't, either.
You keep showing your lack of basic understanding of the topic at hand and you still keep posting. (see post 13 for more than just me saying it)

How sad it is for you sick fuck.

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Good luck with that. You can only caucus if you've early voted.
//shakes head// Ignorant post #2 in this thread alone// shakes head//

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She's getting it from both the wife and your's truely
LOL, I hope she doesn't put too much stock in how many votes she gets in this primary. LOL

<-- 2 more over here from my wife and I.

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LOL. Just sayin'. I think he has much more of chance today then I gave him credit for 3 months ago. I really thought Hillary would wipe him out but I miscalculated the distrust for the Clintons in the democratic party.
I really think Hillary aligned her Senate votes to win the general election by going moderate and forgot to take into account how powerful the extreme left was in her party. It probably cost her the nomination.

Hillary voted #15 most liberal and lost to the #1 most liberal voter.

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Ya, I can see him being a likable guy, aside from the fact that he's the beginning of the end for this country.
You would be surprised at how many people feel the same way, 3/4 of the folks I have personally spoken to in the last month or so have mentioned the same. I honestly feel we (as a country) are circling the bowl, and this guy will have his hand on the flush handle. Personally, I wouldn't mind seeing the end come as our country has needed a reboot for a while, but I hate that my wife and kids will have to endure it.

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Sorry. Thought I heard you couldn't caucus unless you voted in early voting. I haven't read up on caucus, because I can't make it out to do it.
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You would be surprised at how many people feel the same way, 3/4 of the folks I have personally spoken to in the last month or so have mentioned the same. I honestly feel we (as a country) are circling the bowl, and this guy will have his hand on the flush handle. Personally, I wouldn't mind seeing the end come as our country has needed a reboot for a while, but I hate that my wife and kids will have to endure it.

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I am actualy in a pretty good place right now for the reboot. I have ample savings, 2 brand new paid off cars that get good mileage, and solid employment that should be reboot-proof. I hate for those who are not in such a solid place, but the reboot may be necessary for the long term future of the country.

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Personally, I wouldn't mind seeing the end come as our country has needed a reboot for a while, but I hate that my wife and kids will have to endure it.

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That's actually a statement I almost align with. Unfortunately, that would mean that most of my adult life will be a pointless period in which I try my best to get by, and quite frankly I don't want that.

I'm happy enough leaving the mess for another generation.

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You would be surprised at how many people feel the same way, 3/4 of the folks I have personally spoken to in the last month or so have mentioned the same.
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Sorry. Thought I heard you couldn't caucus unless you voted in early voting. I haven't read up on caucus, because I can't make it out to do it.
No biggie. I was nominated to go to the county's convention last night after the caucus. LOL!
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