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Largest US military contract in history goes to a foreign company

Boeing loses out in $40B Air Force tanker deal
The U.S. Air Force today announced one of the largest military acquisition programs in U.S. history, saying it had chosen Northrop Grumman over Boeing to replace its aging air refueling tanker fleet. Many had expected Boeing to be favored over Northrop Grumman, which will use a European company's airframe, Airbus, for the tanker.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/02/29/air...ers/index.html

Although Airbus partered with Northrup Grumman to curry the favor of congress, this is still foreign aircraft. If we go to war in Europe, we're fucked for spares & technical assistance.
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being (edit)assembled in Mobile, Alabama buddy.

thusly, I assume that the Alabama plant may have some spare parts, not to mention it's not like the Air Force is buying the goddamned planes without any spare parts


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In WWII there were plenty of production plants popping out tanks and jeeps that their plant originally had nothing to do with. I'm sure it will be accounted for if America went to a major war again.
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If we go to war in Europe, we're fucked for spares & technical assistance.
Will Europe have a secret button to push and stop them from flying???
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being manufactured in Mobile, Alabama buddy.
Assembled in Mobil, Alabama from parts made in Europe, namely France & Britain.That is not the same as manufactured in Alabama.
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Assembled in Mobil, Alabama from parts made in Europe, namely France & Britain.That is not the same as manufactured in Alabama.
do you think that they're only going to have enough parts to make the planes and be dumb? hoenstly?

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Will Europe have a secret button to push and stop them from flying???
US Military contracting rules require items procured be "made in the USA". Thanks to legislation signed by Bush, any product whose final assembly, machining or plating is done in the USA is classified as "made in the USA". I work for a large defense contractor who setup a production line in W Virginia, to do final assembly of foreign military equipment for the US Army. These are helicopter engines, the semi-assembled engines arrive form the foriegn source, and thier buttoned up in W Virginia in a few hours, and thus can be stamped "made in the USA". Nothing is manufactured here, all spare parts come from the foreign supplier. All training is provided by the foreign supplier.

So what happens to these helicopters if we get into a war the foreign suppler doesn't approve of?

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do you think that they're only going to have enough parts to make the planes and be dumb? hoenstly?
Military procurements are done by fiscal year. The rules don't allow "stock piling parts", you can order only what is appropriated for that year ONLY. That's why when funding for the Iraq war was held up in Congress, they were in danger of running out of supplies in 6-8 weeks.
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Again do you honestly think the govt. won't reverse engineer it so that they can build it if they need to?
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Again do you honestly think the govt. won't reverse engineer it so that they can build it if they need to?
never!

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Again do you honestly think the govt. won't reverse engineer it so that they can build it if they need to?
Then we can have the parts made in Mexico and the aircraft made in China.

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So what happens to these helicopters if we get into a war the foreign suppler doesn't approve of?

Scott
When we left Iran with F14 jets, they did not have the basic skills to understand the workings of the fighters to keep them going and they fell in to disrepair.

Good thing we are not a back-water hick country, without educated people, that could never figure out how in reverse engineer something if needed.

As for the engines your company makes, you don't think you could find a manufacturer that could make those parts in a pinch? I bet you could.

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Boeing only has itself to blame. They had a $30billion contract for new tankers ready to go but they got busted for multiple ethical violations that had two of their execs thrown in prison...

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Seems like a major waste of money IMO, i'd figure the Air Force would go for a jet with a much larger capacity than the 135. What they should have done was purchase more KC-10's, or maybe an up version of the MD-11.
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I saw on some History channel show that some our educated people made some slight tweaks to the f-14s, and they would not fire a certain style missle! The Iran techs could not figure it out either! Not sure if true, but TV don't lie.

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I saw on some History channel show that some our educated people made some slight tweaks to the f-14s, and they would not fire a certain style missle! The Iran techs could not figure it out either! Not sure if true, but TV don't lie.
We had technical advisors on the ground in Iran. I heard that they did some sabotage when the revolution came and they had to book it out of the country.
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