Originally Posted by Mr Majestyk
If Iraq does break up, a significant U.S. presence in the region should still be possible with at least one of factions (such as the Kurds for instance). Such a presence will also go a long way to keep Iranian ambitions to be "the" power in the region in check. Pulling out all troops carte blanc is a recipe for disaster, and would be tantamount to surrender. That probably is of no great concern to the likes of the Clintons; I don't know about Obama or really care to know.
I too think Iraq will break up, too many differing factions. I do not think the Kurds will side with the US over Iran, they are ethnically tied to Iran not to mention they helped one another during the Iraq-Iran war.
Shia Iraq will also side with Iran, and that just leaves the Sunnis to side with the US.
Originally Posted by mikeb
From a lot of stuff i've read the surge worked. The iraq army is getting stronger, attacks are down, and citizens have banded together to throw out al-quieda. Life in many areas is approaching "normal". Infrastructure is getting rebuilt. Kids are going to school. Citizens have jobs and income, and thus have far less incentive to join in with the radicals. In spite of what the liberal press would have you believe, it is getting better and in spite of what harry reid and his bunch would have you believe, we have not "lost" the war.
People forget that we were rebuilding Europe for years after WW2. Why should this be any different?
A stable, US friendly country in the middle east is sorely needed, and iraq has the potential to be that country and to be a stabilizing force for the area. Pulling out now just shows weakness and how divided our country really is to the world.
Can't believe everything you read. It's like the huge decrease of crimes in the mid 90s. Everyone took credit for it, but looking back a huge portion of that decrease was abortions going back to the 70s. There may be other factors contributing to this, such as religious leaders calling for cease-fire for whatever reason (I hear bribes), and I've even heard from some people IN SW Iran that they are biding their time just to get a little calm before they launch a huge offensive.
The US has strong allies in the middle east. You have Israel, Saudi, Egypt, Jordan though only one of them can really be relied on to stick with you. The same could be said about Iraq, you can prop them up all you want but they will choose their religious 'brothers' over their American 'allies' at the drop of a hat. In the end, it's just a pitbull you're training that will bite you in the ass no matter how nice you are to him.
I believe pulling out is better for you in the short and long run, this spreading democracy crap won't work. Save your money, save your lives, and better yourselves instead of helping people who don't want your help.