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Who is responsible if...

1. Obama or Hillary get elected and they make the decision to pull out of Iraq and it goes to chaos?

2. Also, who is responsible if after the end of their first term there is no universal haelth care like the promise?

I really would like to hear from those who are going to vote for either of these candidates. I know who I would blame, but I want the people who support these candidates to give up some answers. BTW, they are numbered so you can put numbers up on your answers so I don't accuse you of not answering them specifically.

I had this discussion with my very liberal brother about Bush during the 2004 election and we agreed on several issues. The only ones Bush has failed on from our discussion is the border not being secured and not finding Bin Laden.

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Once there is a perfect Democrat triangle in charge we will dispense with this idea that there is anyone to "blame" for failures. The president will be on Jay Leno playing his saxophone and the sheeple will relax. All will be right with the world.
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Everything will get done. Remember- hope is making a comeback! Whatever they don't get done, will casually be forgotten about, or out and out lied about.

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LOL, I knew, sort of anyway, what you two would say. I really want to hear from all those who might vote for the Democratic candidate.

I hope they don't go hiding all of a sudden.

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Everything will get done. Remember- hope is making a comeback! Whatever they don't get done, will casually be forgotten about, or out and out lied about.
That's bullshit, everyone knows that Democrats don't lie like Republicans do.

Vote for Obama, he's the feel good candidate of the year!!!
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I'm gonna go with the Republican plan and say....

George W. Bush.

For the next 8 years, everything bad is his fault. Just like it was Bill Clinton's for the past 8 years!

What a lively debate you run.
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I'm gonna go with the Republican plan and say....

George W. Bush.

For the next 8 years, everything bad is his fault. Just like it was Bill Clinton's for the past 8 years!

What a lively debate you run.
I guess I should play the part of Gpamp and defend Bush with nonsensical posts that have no basis in reality since I was in junior high at the time.

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1. Obama or Hillary get elected and they make the decision to pull out of Iraq and it goes to chaos?

2. Also, who is responsible if after the end of their first term there is no universal haelth care like the promise?
1. bush

2. bush

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1. bush

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1. x2

1. x2

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1. bush

2. bush

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Seriously, wouldn't any "blame" lie squarely at the feet of AlQaeda, Saddam Hussein, Militant islam, France, Germany, Russia and that dickhead Powell?

And taking it back a step further wouldn't it Lie With Britain and the US, especially Woodrow Wilson?

Ibn fact you can shake the finger at anything you want. If you believe in a creator then it is sure God's fault.

So blame God.
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Seriously, wouldn't any "blame" lie squarely at the feet of AlQaeda, Saddam Hussein, Militant islam, France, Germany, Russia and that dickhead Powell?

And taking it back a step further wouldn't it Lie With Britain and the US, especially Woodrow Wilson?

Ibn fact you can shake the finger at anything you want. If you believe in a creator then it is sure God's fault.

So blame God.
You forgot the dinosaurs. I'm so sick of putting up with their bullshit....
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I'm gonna go with the Republican plan and say....

George W. Bush.

For the next 8 years, everything bad is his fault. Just like it was Bill Clinton's for the past 8 years!

What a lively debate you run.
See, this is what I am talking about. It was Bush's fault for everything that he inherited according to you, but now it is Bush's fault for what the next President inherited.

What a sick fuck you still are.

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Fucking Trex. Things were good until that big-headed bitch rolled around.
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1. bush

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Serious or joking? If serious, please explain.

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1. x2

1. x2

lol
Any chance you wanna explain?

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What's victory for you 90 notch? Are you military by any chance?
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Serious or joking? If serious, please explain.
Joking. Bush is always the root of the problem now, i'm sure they can milk him for at least another 8 years
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I guess I should play the part of Gpamp and defend Bush with nonsensical posts that have no basis in reality since I was in junior high at the time.
haha, I wish!

I voted for Clinton when he ran for his 2nd term.
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You forgot the dinosaurs. I'm so sick of putting up with their bullshit....
haha. T-rex is lame. Baby-armed bastard.
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See, this is what I am talking about. It was Bush's fault for everything that he inherited according to you, but now it is Bush's fault for what the next President inherited.

What a sick fuck you still are.
I didn't say I blamed Bush. I said if I were to take your reasoning... it's Bush's fault. In fact, you HAVE to blame Bush. Otherwise, you're a hypocrite, for blaming Clinton for Bush's economy, etc.
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Any chance you wanna explain?
Your other post kinda explains what I meant. The national media give the perspective that everyone blames bush for everything.

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See, this is what I am talking about. It was Bush's fault for everything that he inherited according to you, but now it is Bush's fault for what the next President inherited.

What a sick fuck you still are.

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haha, I wish!

I voted for Clinton when he ran for his 2nd term.
I didn't....I voted for Dole
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I didn't....I voted for Dole
I dig their bananas, but their candidate was boring. (until he did the Viagra commercials.)

I do remember, listening to Howard Stern at that time, and he said he'd vote for Bob Dole, if he'd put a pinwheel in his bad hand, instead of a pen or pencil.
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1. Obama or Hillary get elected and they make the decision to pull out of Iraq and it goes to chaos?

2. Also, who is responsible if after the end of their first term there is no universal haelth care like the promise?
1. The voters.

2. The voters.

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I had this discussion with my very liberal brother about Bush during the 2004 election and we agreed on several issues. The only ones Bush has failed on from our discussion is the border not being secured and not finding Bin Laden.
You have a very selective view of the Bush Administration. You only see those two things as failures under this Administration?

How about stuff like caving to environmental radicals and anti-capitalist Democrats by signing H.R. 6 Energy Independence and Security Act of 2007. A bill that effectively throws the auto industry and car enthusiasts (people like us) under the bus by increasing fuel economy standards by an absurd 40% in little over a decade. Most analyst agreeing this is the first nail in the coffin for the performance car segment. And much to the chagrin of corporations everywhere, cutting C02 by billions of metric tons.

Your list conveniently omits these little political failures, such as a conservative platform President that has since being elected acknowledged human influenced global warming and sold out on his own corporate base with subsequent legislation. This is not where he stood on the issue prior to getting elected.

His amnesty programs, not securing the border, and his failure to find Osama is part of a long and distinguished list of equivocations by this President.

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1. The voters.

2. The voters..
Excellent answer.


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You have a very selective view of the Bush Administration. You only see those two things as failures under this Administration?

How about stuff like caving to environmental radicals and anti-capitalist Democrats by signing H.R. 6 Energy Independence and Security Act of 2007. A bill that effectively throws the auto industry and car enthusiasts (people like us) under the bus by increasing fuel economy standards by an absurd 40% in little over a decade. Most analyst agreeing this is the first nail in the coffin for the performance car segment. And much to the chagrin of corporations everywhere, cutting C02 by billions of metric tons.

Your list conveniently omits these little political failures, such as a conservative platform President that has since being elected acknowledged human influenced global warming and sold out on his own corporate base with subsequent legislation. This is not where he stood on the issue prior to getting elected.

His amnesty programs, not securing the border, and his failure to find Osama is part of a long and distinguished list of equivocations by this President.
I thought I made it clear it was a discussion between my brother and I and we chose a few topics to evaluate Bush by, it was not all encompassing.

I see the border and not having Bin laden as two big ones, and there are a few others although I don't see as many failures as you do, because I don't hate him. I see him as an honorable and decent man.

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Your other post kinda explains what I meant. The national media give the perspective that everyone blames bush for everything.
Okay, thanks. I just didn't want to jump to conclusions in this thread.

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I didn't say I blamed Bush. I said if I were to take your reasoning... it's Bush's fault. In fact, you HAVE to blame Bush. Otherwise, you're a hypocrite, for blaming Clinton for Bush's economy, etc.
LOL, you are such a blind idiot. I blame Clinton for giving Bush a terrible economy and Bush gets all responsibility for the economy he gives McCain. You are the one who blames Bush for the economy he inherited and the economy he leaves, which is the hypocritical position you liberals take. You are once again a hypocrite just like on the Clinton and Craig scandals, but we have that documented, don't we sick fuck? LOL

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I dig their bananas, but their candidate was boring. (until he did the Viagra commercials.)

I do remember, listening to Howard Stern at that time, and he said he'd vote for Bob Dole, if he'd put a pinwheel in his bad hand, instead of a pen or pencil.
I have to admit Clinton in his second term wasn't boring, in the same sense as a clown at a birthday party isn't boring to the pre-teens in attendance.

Howard Stern, as well as his disclosure regarding who he would or would not vote for, would not have meant any more to me then than he does now, which is zero.
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1. Obama or Hillary get elected and they make the decision to pull out of Iraq and it goes to chaos?

2. Also, who is responsible if after the end of their first term there is no universal haelth care like the promise?
1. Sadaam is to blame. President Bush has tired to hold this country together, but I think all his efforts only prolong the conclusion that has always been out there..... this country can not stay together without military dictatorship. Freedom to Iraq = Yugoslavia = 3 new countries. When Obama removes the guns and dollars, Iraq will split. Al Qaeda will benefit. Iran will benefit. The USA will have more problems. It's unavoidable at this point. The sooner the better.

2. Obama will be to blame.

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1. Sadaam is to blame. President Bush has tired to hold this country together, but I think all his efforts only prolong the conclusion that has always been out there..... this country can not stay together without military dictatorship. Freedom to Iraq = Yugoslavia = 3 new countries. When Obama removes the guns and dollars, Iraq will split. Al Qaeda will benefit. Iran will benefit. The USA will have more problems. It's unavoidable at this point. The sooner the better.

2. Obama will be to blame.
LOL, I love the confidence you Obama supporters have! I like the answer to #1, but #2 worries me.

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