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Iran, Syria Relieved That Democrats Won

By Julie Stahl
CNSNews.com Jerusalem Bureau Chief
November 10, 2006

Jerusalem (CNSNews.com) - Iran and Syria say that a Democrat-controlled Congress and the resignation of Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld could relieve the pressure on them, officials from those countries said.

Both Iran and Syria have been under pressure from the U.S. -- Iran, for its refusal to abandon its nuclear program; and Syria for its alleged involvement in the murder of former Lebanese Prime Minister Rafik Hariri.

The U.S. also has criticized Damascus for hosting the headquarters of Palestinian terrorist organizations and for supporting the insurgency in Iraq.

Washington has accused both countries, which back the Hizballah terrorist organization in Lebanon, of trying to topple the government in Beirut.
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Anyone living in israel should begin to prepare for a fresh influx of terrorism to begin soon.

It will be interesting to see if the current administration's policies in this war are upheld or shot down by the new folks in charge. If they are shot down then I think we can expect the terrorists to rebuild their organizations and we'll get to fight them again in the future with them back at full strength.
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Anyone living in israel should begin to prepare for a fresh influx of terrorism to begin soon.

It will be interesting to see if the current administration's policies in this war are upheld or shot down by the new folks in charge. If they are shot down then I think we can expect the terrorists to rebuild their organizations and we'll get to fight them again in the future with them back at full strength.
Considering that Hezbollah just called an end to any type of ceasefire, that thought wasn't exactly a stretch, lol.
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Considering that Hezbollah just called an end to any type of ceasefire, that thought wasn't exactly a stretch, lol.
Hezbollah hasn't done shit since the UN came in. Not only that but they came out and openly said that they will not disarm. Some old fucking bullshit.

Right now, Hamas and Fatah are moving to shape a government that will allow for foreign aid to come to them again.

IMO Israel will be at war again with Hezbollah very soon and we will be supplying the terrorists with more aid.
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Maybe these and other headlines will remind the republicans that didn't vote why they should show up at the polls and not rely on others.
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Al Masri(the new leader of Al Qaeda in Iraq) posted a message basically saying that he was glad that the Democrats won.

Has anybody noticed that before the elections we saw casualities from Iraq everyday,and now that elections are over,you don't hear very much about casualties?? Is it because the media is glorifying them,or is it because the high casualty rate was simply an attempt at swaying the elections,by the insurgents? Hmmm.....
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Considering that Hezbollah just called an end to any type of ceasefire, that thought wasn't exactly a stretch, lol.
That too, but it is clear from their statements that the terrorists don't see the dems as being near as hawkish as the republicans have been. They probably figure that the US will soon pull the troops out (after all, that's what the dems have been calling for over and over) and then they can go full steam ahead with their killing.
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Check some international news websites. England, France, Germany, Russia,Venezuela,Brazil,Spain,Greece, Italy virtually all countries are pleased with the results of our elections. China was not happy, though, they fear Democrats will restrict trade because of China's violations of human rights of it's own citizens.
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I've been telling a close friend of mine that is a former Marine that I will see a war on US soil in my lifetime, and my hope is that it happens when I am young enough to still fight.
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I've been telling a close friend of mine that is a former Marine that I will see a war on US soil in my lifetime, and my hope is that it happens when I am young enough to still fight.

You fatalist crack me up. What army is going to invade the US? Iraq? Iran? Egypt? Pakistan? Get real

Where do you guys get the idea that terrorist can mount an invasion of the USA?

Terrorism was rampant in Ireland for 30 straight years, they were never in danger of their country being taken over. If you you know anything about military history, it takes an army, navy & air force to invade & conquer an industrialized nation. No industrialized nation has ever fallen to terrorists.

If there is ever war on US soil, it will be after a nuclear exchange with China , Russia, Pakistan, India, Ukraine or some other nuclear power.

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[ If you you know anything about military history, it takes an army, navy & air force to invade & conquer an industrialized nation.


I think Mexco is invading and taking over this country without any army, navy, or air force...

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[ If you you know anything about military history, it takes an army, navy & air force to invade & conquer an industrialized nation.


I think Mexco is invading and taking over this country without any army, navy, or air force...

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[ If you you know anything about military history, it takes an army, navy & air force to invade & conquer an industrialized nation.


I think Mexco is invading and taking over this country without any army, navy, or air force...

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Yeh, millions of Italians & Irish poured in the US about 100 years go. Look how they took over. But back to Mexicans, can you call it an invasion when they are practically welcomed with open arms? At least thier welcomed by business, and all the lazy/cheap asses who want thier lawn mowed for $20, or a house built for less than $100K.

Stop the reason for illegal immigration (employment) and the Mexicans will stop coming over, with no fence, no troops. But it will cost you $$$,having white guys mow your grass & build your houses.

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1. Where ya finding guys to mow your lawn for 20 bux? They ALWAYS want 35-50 for my little stamp of land.

2. I see ya'lls point. To me, flying planes into buildings and such is an invasion. What? They have to occupy our land for it to be an invasion? I give a damn about a definition in a book or by some historian - they already invaded as far as I am concerned.

3. I find it sad that terrorists and/or terrorist sympathizers are happy. Especially when it comes to our elections.

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Yeh, millions of Italians & Irish poured in the US about 100 years go. Look how they took over. But back to Mexicans, can you call it an invasion when they are practically welcomed with open arms? At least thier welcomed by business, and all the lazy/cheap asses who want thier lawn mowed for $20, or a house built for less than $100K.

Stop the reason for illegal immigration (employment) and the Mexicans will stop coming over, with no fence, no troops. But it will cost you $$$,having white guys mow your grass & build your houses.

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I don't want to get too far off the original intent of this thread, but I'll be the first to admit that the cheap Mexican labor has been good for this part of the country... housing is reasonable, I didn't have to cut my own grass unless I wanted to, Restaurants for the most part are clean, and well staffed, jobs that are normally shunned by the more affluent are readily filled by the Mexican population... and I think that's fine, they wanna work, we've got the work and are willing to employ them to do it, seems like an ideal situation...

The problem is when they (the immigrants) start overwhelming our social services, our emergency rooms and health care systems, or the legal system and so forth...
To become a legit part of the American dream and be accepted by those already here, they've got to properly assimilate into our society, learn the language, pay their share of the taxes, learn and obey our laws, and generally become a functioning member of the club... and not become a parasite sucking the life out of a host country.

The long and short is that there is plenty of room for everybody, but the influx of immigrants has got to be properly managed by someone, our government is responsible, but has done a piss poor job over the last 25 years or so, and that's why we're talking about it today. If we don't get a good handle on it soon, we'll all be speaking spanish and eating tortillas in the future. btw.. I had tortillias and eggs for breakfast this morning... Ummmm,, good.

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I don't want to get too far off the original intent of this thread, but I'll be the first to admit that the cheap Mexican labor has been good for this part of the country... housing is reasonable, I didn't have to cut my own grass unless I wanted to, Restaurants for the most part are clean, and well staffed, jobs that are normally shunned by the more affluent are readily filled by the Mexican population... and I think that's fine, they wanna work, we've got the work and are willing to employ them to do it, seems like an ideal situation...

The problem is when they (the immigrants) start overwhelming our social services, our emergency rooms and health care systems, or the legal system and so forth...
To become a legit part of the American dream and be accepted by those already here, they've got to properly assimilate into our society, learn the language, pay their share of the taxes, learn and obey our laws, and generally become a functioning member of the club... and not become a parasite sucking the life out of a host country.

The long and short is that there is plenty of room for everybody, but the influx of immigrants has got to be properly managed by someone, our government is responsible, but has done a piss poor job over the last 25 years or so, and that's why we're talking about it today. If we don't get a good handle on it soon, we'll all be speaking spanish and eating tortillas in the future. btw.. I had tortillias and eggs for breakfast this morning... Ummmm,, good.

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I agree with all of that, especially:our government is responsible, but has done a piss poor job over the last 25 years or so, and that's why we're talking about it today.

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Yeah..we better get out the bayonets and cannons.
We've already been invaded on our soil! What did we do in retalliation? Not a god damned thing.
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An odd thought occured to me as I was reading this thread...If 911 had happened in the '40's, and FDR had nuclear capabilities at the time, I'll bet he would have nuked the entire Middle East. Israel wasn't there yet (1946), so there was no reason NOT to. I guess my point is, we have gone soft...and he was a DEMOCRAT!

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I guess my point is, we have gone soft...
After 9/11 we were hard as nails...and united as a nation. We got manipulated away from that to appease wall street and other large money. Nothing...NOTHING matters to this current "leadership" but self serving greed. Is that still so hard to understand?
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An odd thought occured to me as I was reading this thread...If 911 had happened in the '40's, and FDR had nuclear capabilities at the time, I'll bet he would have nuked the entire Middle East. Israel wasn't there yet (1946), so there was no reason NOT to. I guess my point is, we have gone soft...and he was a DEMOCRAT!


I honestly though there would be a nuclear confligration before it was all said and done. Of course, it isn't exactly all said and done yet., but I doubt we'd be the first strikers any more. We really should have vaporized Afganistan.
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"Leadership" covers a lot of ground. I should have said our "leadership" since Reagan, has gone soft. Ronnie would have nuked the entire African continent, if he thought he would get the person/people responsible for the 9/11 attack.
Remember the 1983 truck bombing in Beirut that killed 241 Marines? The French were attacked at the same time, they at least launched a missile attack in responce. Reagan (via Bush I) vaguely stated we would "respond", but 4 months later Reagan withdrew all troops from Lebanon with scarcely a shot being fired. Is that the Ronnie Reagan who would nuke the entire African Continent?

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An odd thought occured to me as I was reading this thread...If 911 had happened in the '40's, and FDR had nuclear capabilities at the time, I'll bet he would have nuked the entire Middle East. Israel wasn't there yet (1946), so there was no reason NOT to. I guess my point is, we have gone soft...and he was a DEMOCRAT!
I know you right wingers hate to admit it, buy this country was led by Democrats through most of our wars, Woodrow Wilson (WWI), FDR (WWII), Harry Truman ( end of WWII, and Korea), and LBJ (Vietnam). And 3 of those did a pretty good job. And the ONLY time we ever used a nuclear weapon, was ordered by a Democrat, and the closest we've ever been to total world destruction, The Cuban Missile Crisis, was defused by a Democrat (JFK) without a shot fired.

No, I'm not a Democrat, I'm a Libertarian. I'm just pointing out that Republicans are not always the badass heroes you right wingers imply.

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I'm just pointing out that Republicans are not always the badass heroes you right wingers imply.

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Yet they've never had a better opportunity than after 9/11! Couldn't have fucked that one up any more...
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I know you right wingers hate to admit it, buy this country was led by Democrats through most of our wars, Woodrow Wilson (WWI), FDR (WWII), Harry Truman ( end of WWII, and Korea), and LBJ (Vietnam). And 3 of those did a pretty good job. And the ONLY time we ever used a nuclear weapon, was ordered by a Democrat, and the closest we've ever been to total world destruction, The Cuban Missile Crisis, was defused by a Democrat (JFK) without a shot fired.

No, I'm not a Democrat, I'm a Libertarian. I'm just pointing out that Republicans are not always the badass heroes you right wingers imply.

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Au contraire. My exact point was that the Dems HAD led us into war."HAD". JFK(what a fuckin' disaster, continued by none other than LBJ), and that peanut-lovin' War Hawk Carter! Reagan still had a huge Carter admin. left over, too. Please don't equate 241 troops with 3000+ civilians. You mean the same Ronnie that busted Quadafi's (sp) ass? Sent missiles right into his living room, if memory serves me right...didn't hear from that dickhead for YEARS. Viet Nam and Korea didn't work out too well for the Dems...

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Au contraire. My exact point was that the Dems HAD led us into war."HAD". JFK(what a fuckin' disaster, continued by none other than LBJ), and that peanut-lovin' War Hawk Carter! Reagan still had a huge Carter admin. left over, too. Please don't equate 241 troops with 3000+ civilians. You mean the same Ronnie that busted Quadafi's (sp) ass? Sent missiles right into his living room, if memory serves me right...didn't hear from that dickhead for YEARS. Viet Nam and Korea didn't work out too well for the Dems...
Both Wilson, and FDR kept us out of war for as long as possible, especially Wilson. And both ended these wars greatly in our favor. Korea ended badly? . After the 38th parallel was declared as the North/South border, the North attacked (in the form of China & USSR), our goal was defend & hold South Korea. South Korea remains free to this day. And a Republican (Nixon) was the one who "cut & run" out of Vietnam.

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Both Wilson, and FDR kept us out of war for as long as possible, especially Wilson. And both ended these wars greatly in our favor. Korea ended badly? . After the 38th parallel was declared as the North/South border, the North attacked (in the form of China & USSR), our goal was defend & hold South Korea. South Korea remains free to this day. And a Republican (Nixon) was the one who "cut & run" out of Vietnam.

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Cut and run? It was time, and he had the balls to do it. After 12 years and 60,000 American lives, I think it was time. (He also made in-roads into China that no one else ever came close to doing.) I guess Korea ended well if you consider 33,000 Americans killed over 3 years, and we're still dealing with the Koreans over 50 years later. We've lost 3000 troops in the last 3 years...can you even imagine if it was 30,000? Ten-fold. Not what I would consider a success. I mean, considering Korea (or a faction thereof) didn't attack us at home.

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Cut and run? It was time, and he had the balls to do it. After 12 years and 60,000 American lives, I think it was time. (He also made in-roads into China that no one else ever came close to doing.) I guess Korea ended well if you consider 33,000 Americans killed over 3 years, and we're still dealing with the Koreans over 50 years later. We've lost 3000 troops in the last 3 years...can you even imagine if it was 30,000? Ten-fold. Not what I would consider a success. I mean, considering Korea (or a faction thereof) didn't attack us at home.
Ah, I see, so when Democrats talk of a time table for withdrawel from Iraq, a war WE started when we attacked a country that by G Bush's own admission, had nothing to do with 9/11 and had no WMD's, those Democrats are "cut & run". But when Nixon pulled out of Vietnam (which fell to Communist forces as soon as we left) he had "balls". Interesting.........

The driving reasons behind Korea & Vietnam, is we didn't want Communist nations so close to Japan. In retrospect both were likely a waste of time, but we'll never really know.

But your right about casualties, people die in real wars. I wonder what your feelings about Bush would be if 30,000 Americans had died in Iraq?

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Ah, I see, so when Democrats talk of a time table for withdrawel from Iraq, a war WE started when we attacked a country that by G Bush's own admission, had nothing to do with 9/11 and had no WMD's, those Democrats are "cut & run". But when Nixon pulled out of Vietnam (which fell to Communist forces as soon as we left) he had "balls". Interesting.........

The driving reasons behind Korea & Vietnam, is we didn't want Communist nations so close to Japan. In retrospect both were likely a waste of time, but we'll never really know.

But your right about casualties, people die in real wars. I wonder what your feelings about Bush would be if 30,000 Americans had died in Iraq?

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I love how you label yourself an "independent"...you, my left-wing Liberal friend, are a cop out. I am not against a "reasonable" timetable for withdrawal from Iraq. What we can not do, is have a definite deadline for withdrawal. Then it becomes wait-and-see for the bad guys. Your rhetoric and "spin" on this topic is very telling. Send your check to: Hillary Clinton for President...

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I love how you label yourself an "independent"...you, my left-wing Liberal friend, are a cop out. I am not against a "reasonable" timetable for withdrawal from Iraq. What we can not do, is have a definite deadline for withdrawal. Then it becomes wait-and-see for the bad guys. Your rhetoric and "spin" on this topic is very telling. Send your check to: Hillary Clinton for President...
Like most other ring wing Bushbots, you automatically label anyone who's opinion isn't 100% pro-Bush, a liberal. Hillary is unelectable, and I'd never support her.

The funny thing amongst Bush supporters, is Bush isn't even a real conservative anymore. Bush is a Neocon. See Pat Buchannan's (a true conservative) book "How the Right went Wrong"

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Invaded and under attack are two seperate issues. If it doesn't happen, Great, but feel good legislation isn't going to prevent it.
So you prefer feel bad legislation? We can feel bad and still not be safe...I think we've had enough of that! And your hero picked a real bad time to shitcan the experienced CIA so he could have his "players".
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post #43 of 46 (permalink) Old 11-15-2006, 11:58 PM
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Both Wilson, and FDR kept us out of war for as long as possible, especially Wilson. And both ended these wars greatly in our favor. Korea ended badly? . After the 38th parallel was declared as the North/South border, the North attacked (in the form of China & USSR), our goal was defend & hold South Korea. South Korea remains free to this day. And a Republican (Nixon) was the one who "cut & run" out of Vietnam.

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I got to call bullshit here on some strange assumptions, being the historian in me . FDR didnt "keep us out of war for as long as possible". He wanted the US stuck in the fight to help out since the beginning, but he was afraid the american public couldnt stomach it. He was absolutely right, if you read about some of the student orginizations who vowed to never be involved in any kind of armed conflict in as late as 1941. He kept the US in the dark and manipulated events to get our country ready to fight.

Wilson i have a different opinion of....i think Wilson had genuine interests of keeping the US outside of europes affairs , but i think he was completely blind to the idea that the US could keep its hands clean while shipping arms to Britain. Germany really had little choice but to engage the shipping lanes with its U-boats to preserve its blockade of the british isles.

Not that thats a dock on FDR. I thought it was brilliant, and FDR is a shining example of a good, solid and heroic democrat. There is a lot of debate on the style of FDR and JFK, with close analysis of their leadership styles they are almost in line with Teddy Roosevelt's Progressive Party, a hybrid of the two parties. I salute JFK's dynamic and assertive stance against communist aggression from friggin Kruzcheiv with his speaches saying the USSR would support all revolutions (spelling), but yet i shake my head at looking at the current democractic party since the early seventies.
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post #44 of 46 (permalink) Old 11-16-2006, 12:23 AM
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You fatalist crack me up. What army is going to invade the US? Iraq? Iran? Egypt? Pakistan? Get real

Where do you guys get the idea that terrorist can mount an invasion of the USA?

Terrorism was rampant in Ireland for 30 straight years, they were never in danger of their country being taken over. If you you know anything about military history, it takes an army, navy & air force to invade & conquer an industrialized nation. No industrialized nation has ever fallen to terrorists.

If there is ever war on US soil, it will be after a nuclear exchange with China , Russia, Pakistan, India, Ukraine or some other nuclear power.

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They don't want to invade and take over our country. They just want to kill all of us....





...with the exception of Congress because when it happens it will have been congress that let it.

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post #45 of 46 (permalink) Old 11-16-2006, 01:12 AM Thread Starter
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Not that thats a dock on FDR. I thought it was brilliant, and FDR is a shining example of a good, solid and heroic democrat.
imo, we can thank FDR for establishing the roots of the nanny state we now deal with. I also think he didn't finish the European theater enough, had he gone more foward, we may not have had the kinds of problems we have today in certain regions of the world i.e. communist influence

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post #46 of 46 (permalink) Old 11-16-2006, 05:45 AM
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Yet they've never had a better opportunity than after 9/11! Couldn't have fucked that one up any more...
I know!!! Man, if we had someone like Gore or Kerry in office, the world would have no terrorism, huh?
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