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Our war vs Israel's war.....

One thing I have notice between our war with Iraq and the one currently going on with Israel's war is we had to be very careful what targets we hit. Israel is bombing the shit out of every thing. (and vise vesa with their opponent) Isn't that the way a war is supposed to be? Callateral damage just happens. They so, so what............keep bombing the fuck out of them. I don't know why, but I like their style.

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We are too much political warriers.
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Because Israel can get away with it.
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Israel doesn't give a fuck about what happens to Lebanon when they're done so long as Hezbollah is gone. We are wanting to rebuild Iraq in to a democratic country ( ) and thus are trying not to blow the fuck out of everything.

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Hell, the media weenies are trying to portray the Israelis as heartless warmongers. See all the fake photos they've been printing lately?

Fuck it. You gotta be a heartless warmonger to fight other warmongers. All this warmongering is making me monger for war. I have a new favorite word.
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War is typically fought by making the enemy not want to fight anymore. Anything else causes the war to drag on for years and years.
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That is why Israel is in the wrong. We set the precedent; seal off a country and if they sponsor terrorism, go in and wipe out the government and start a new one. Then we did it again in Iraq. Israel built their wall, and when the terrorists struck they had no business targeting infrastructure without the intent to actually conquer. They are just playing their little pissant games like all the rugburners have in that region for millinea, and trying to make America think we have some kind of special interest in backing them regardless of their motivations. All they need to do is invade and conquer Lebanon, set up a new regime, and point to the US as a role model. Instead they act about as arrogant as they always have, playing the jew card when convenient. Hopefully Syria will play their trump card and we can show them how its done.
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That is why Israel is in the wrong. We set the precedent; seal off a country and if they sponsor terrorism, go in and wipe out the government and start a new one. Then we did it again in Iraq. Israel built their wall, and when the terrorists struck they had no business targeting infrastructure without the intent to actually conquer. They are just playing their little pissant games like all the rugburners have in that region for millinea, and trying to make America think we have some kind of special interest in backing them regardless of their motivations. All they need to do is invade and conquer Lebanon, set up a new regime, and point to the US as a role model. Instead they act about as arrogant as they always have, playing the jew card when convenient. Hopefully Syria will play their trump card and we can show them how its done.
I wouldn't say they are wrong. I'd just say that they don't care about the Arabs. Personally, I don't blame them. Israel gives the Arabs what they want and nothing changes. A while back it was "give us the West Bank." Israel gave them the West Bank and what happens? More attacks and an election with a Terrorist organization as a winner. The Arabs have had one opportunity after another to remedy this situation and they can't seem to keep their radicals in check. Until they do that, Israel has a blank check to do whatever they think they need to do.

And Syria isn't going to win a war with Israel, half of the clowns who would fight are in Iraq.
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Yeah, but if Syria let loose with the WMDs that "don't exist", it kind of brings it all back home to the man in the oval office, IMO.

As far as just randomly bombing to "punish" a people for their beliefs, that is pretty hipocritical. That is why they should use the Bush model. Their bullshit hurts us politically.
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Yeah, but if Syria let loose with the WMDs that "don't exist", it kind of brings it all back home to the man in the oval office, IMO.

As far as just randomly bombing to "punish" a people for their beliefs, that is pretty hipocritical. That is why they should use the Bush model. Their bullshit hurts us politically.
They would never do that though because Israel has nukes. They'd blow the piss out of them. Everyone already hates Israel and for the most part the only approval they seek is from the U.S. If Syria were to use anything like that, we'd give Israel the greenlight to destroy them. Personally I'm beginning to think that is what NEEDS to happen. The Arab world needs to be dealt a catastrophe so large that they can no longer embrace radicalism because of fear. It certainly stopped the Japanese in their tracks and those mother fuckers were fanatical.

IMO they don't randomly bomb anything. They destroy infrastructure as a punitive measure. Simple punishment. That is classical warfare. When you don't care about fighting a politically correct war (like the U.S. insists on trying to do) you attempt to break the back of the entire country. After a while the civilians stop supporting the military effort and you win. The allied bombing campaign of WWII was similar. Killed thousands of people too. It is sad but that is war.

Their bullshit hurts us politically because they are attempting to fight the hardest in the media. Hezbollah is a propaganda machine. How many pictures have we got to see of Hezbollah fighters in action? How many videos? None. The reason is that reporters are not allowed to photograph them. Why? Because they fight in civilian clothes, which violates the Geneva conventions. How many times has the Hezbollah or Lebanese leadership spoke out about civilian casualties while Hezbollah openly makes rocket attacks that ONLY target civilians? How can the Lebanese even count civilian casualties when Hezbollah fighters dress as civilians? Has everyone forgot that Hezbollah started this war? How long are people going to believe this hypocritical bullshit?

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That is why Israel is in the wrong. We set the precedent; seal off a country and if they sponsor terrorism, go in and wipe out the government and start a new one. Then we did it again in Iraq. Israel built their wall, and when the terrorists struck they had no business targeting infrastructure without the intent to actually conquer. They are just playing their little pissant games like all the rugburners have in that region for millinea, and trying to make America think we have some kind of special interest in backing them regardless of their motivations. All they need to do is invade and conquer Lebanon, set up a new regime, and point to the US as a role model. Instead they act about as arrogant as they always have, playing the jew card when convenient. Hopefully Syria will play their trump card and we can show them how its done.
I think Israel should bomb the crap out of them until they squeel uncle. That is how war solves the problem. It is better to have your enemy fear you than to think you are a nice guy.
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War is typically fought by making the enemy not want to fight anymore. Anything else causes the war to drag on for years and years.

The truth is spoken with your post...


Vietnam we tried a political "limited" war. We would bomb the shit out of them to show them we could and then stop. We saw it as they will see what we can do and be afraid. They saw it as look the idiots stopped again hurry up and rebuild and resupply!
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Vietnam we tried a political "limited" war. We would bomb the shit out of them to show them we could and then stop. We saw it as they will see what we can do and be afraid. They saw it as look the idiots stopped again hurry up and rebuild and resupply!
Not only that but Israel is not burdened by a conscience when it comes to warfare. And the arabs have years of suicide bombing attacks and other chickenshittery to thank for that. The Israeli public, besides the far left, for the most part could care less about human suffering of the Arabs because they conduct themselves like animals. What have they done with the West Bank since they got it back from Israel? Nothing! Unemployment is estimated at 55%. How the hell can you have 55% unemployment? That's insane. But who is going to start a business there? No sane person.
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Because Israel can get away with it.

And if we say 'to hell with it', what happens? Liberals bitch. Waah. :rolleyes


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Israel wrong?

Lets see what if we gave lets say Mexico part of south Texas and said it's yours
we are pulling back as a peace offer.

Then they use this land to launch attacks on US bases and kidnap troops
then fire missle's into Texas.

We would bomb and shoot them with out any petty.

I think had they waited another 6 months they would have there hands
full because this has Iran all over it.

Shit has no one else noticed the president of Iran right now is in many
photos of the us hostages in the 70's. I was alive then and I can tell you
they rubbed our noses in it big time. The man has said on the record
he would wipe Israel off the map given the chance.
I see this as a proxy war between Iran and Israel the ground its being fought
on is just because there army did not have the nads to stand up to Iran or
Hezbollah.

Too be honest I think they are just using this as a training ground testing
tactics to be used against us. Israel has already reported that they are
fighting a well trained enemy (better than the normal Arab troops).

So do I blame them for bombing anything that even looks like a target
hell no. These people park there mobil missle launchers by schools then
cry when there kids are killed. They are fighting two battles one with weapons
and one for world support.

Article from the BBC:

Last Updated: Monday, 7 August 2006, 16:00 GMT 17:00 UK



Mid-East conflict: Who stands where

An Israeli tank moves off to go into battle in Lebanon
The fighting between Israel and Hezbollah is part of a wider conflict in the Middle East. The BBC News website's World Affairs correspondent Paul Reynolds examines who stands where and what is at stake for the main parties involved.
Israel
Lebanon
Hezbollah
Iran Syria
Palestinians
United States
France and the UK



ISRAEL
Israel sees this war as another part of its long effort to establish itself in the region. It has treaties with Egypt and Jordan and would like one with Lebanon.

However this war has put that prospect off, possibly for many years given the level of casualties in Lebanon. In the meantime, Israel wants Hezbollah removed as a threat since Hezbollah is hostile to Israel's existence.

Israel says the Lebanese government should do this but it is prepared to enforce what it identifies as its own interests anyway.

Israel sees the hand of mainly Iran but also Syria behind Hezbollah, especially in the supply of the thousands of rockets Hezbollah has acquired. One strategic Israeli aim in the war and one shared by the United States is to weaken those links and so weaken the influence of Iran and Syria in Lebanon and the region.

On the other hand, Israel itself will suffer a loss of power and prestige if it cannot show a clear victory.


LEBANON
The government fears that the Israeli onslaught will put all the progress Lebanon has made in recent years at risk and that there could be a return to civil war and strife and a return of Syrian influence.

Lebanon therefore wants an immediate end to the fighting and says that a political agreement should come afterwards, based on Security Council resolution 1559. Passed in September 2004, this called on all militias in Lebanon to be disbanded and the authority of the government extended to the border. Easier said than done, has proved to be the experience.

The Lebanese coalition government was formed after the Cedar Revolution of 2004 which led to the removal of Syrian forces from the country. Hezbollah has two seats in the cabinet even though it opposed the Cedar Revolution. However, Hezbollah feels it can act unilaterally, hence its cross-border raid to capture two Israeli solders. The conflict will help determine its future status in Lebanon.


HEZBOLLAH
Hezbollah, the Shia 'Party of God' in Lebanon, is determined to come out of the conflict in a stronger position. It also seeks wider support in Lebanon, which will make it harder for the Lebanese government to bring it under closer control afterwards.

Hezbollah sees itself as in the vanguard of the opposition to the state of Israel, which it regards as a Zionist intrusion into Muslim lands. It was instrumental in making Israel withdraw from southern Lebanon in 2000 and sees in this war a chance for it to diminish Israeli power.

Hezbollah's fate will affect the future influence of Iran and Syria in Lebanon and the region. It is closely supported by Iran, which holds similar views about Israel and which has supplied missiles to its Shia brethren. Syria's interests are more to do with trying to maintain an influence in Lebanon and in supporting an opponent of Israel.


IRAN
Iran's President Ahmadinejad has said that the "elimination" of Israel is the solution to the Middle East's problems so clearly Iran would like to see Israel (and through Israel, the United States) diminished by the conflict and Hezbollah strengthened.

In that way, its own influence would grow not just in Lebanon but also in the region and among the Middle East's Shia population. Some think that Iran sees in the conflict a welcome distraction from its own nuclear programme. However that issue will return.

Equally, if Hezbollah's power is eventually reduced, so too will Iran's, since Iran is Hezbollah's principal backer.

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Israel wrong?

Lets see what if we gave lets say Mexico part of south Texas and said it's yours
we are pulling back as a peace offer.

Then they use this land to launch attacks on US bases and kidnap troops
then fire missle's into Texas.

We would bomb and shoot them with out any petty.
Most people fail to understand what the "other" side thinks about the Israeli-Palestinian problem.

In Islam the world is uncompromisingly divided between dar al-Islam, the House of Islam, and dar al-harb, the House of War, where Infidels have not yet been subjugated to Islam. Once part of the world is won over to dar al-Islam, it should never fall in to the hands of infidels. As long a Israel controls one square inch, they have too much land.
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