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US military rape slyaings.. I'M TELLIN!

repost im sure but WTF were they thinking... WHY THE FUCK ARE THEY THERE?

GEORGE BUSH IS A NUTCASE

BAGHDAD, Iraq — U.S. soldiers accused of raping and murdering a 14-year-old Iraqi girl drank alcohol and hit golf balls before the attack, an investigator said today at a U.S. military hearing to determine whether they should stand trial.


Criminal investigator Benjamin Bierce said he interviewed one of the accused, Spc. James P. Barker, on June 30, and recorded graphic and brutal details of the alleged assault on March 12.


Bierce was testifying on the second day of the hearing to determine whether five U.S. soldiers must stand trial in the rape-slaying of Abeer Qassim al-Janabi and the killing of her father, Qassim Hamza; her mother, Fikhriya Taha; and her 5-year-old sister, Hadeel Qassim Hamza, in the town of Mahmoudiya, one of the most violent areas in Iraq.


The rape and murders are among the worst in a series of cases of alleged misconduct by U.S. service members that have tarnished the American military.


Barker's sworn and signed statement was submitted as evidence during the hearing and Bierce revealed portions during his testimony.


Barker is accused along with Sgt. Paul E. Cortez, Pfc. Jesse V. Spielman, Pfc. Bryan L. Howard of rape and murder. Another soldier, Sgt. Anthony W. Yribe, is accused of failing to report the attack but is not alleged to have been a direct participant.


Former Pfc. Steven D. Green was discharged from the Army for a "personality disorder'' after the incident and was arrested in North Carolina in June on rape and murder charges. He has pleaded not guilty in federal court and is being held without bond.


At Monday's hearing, Pfc. Justin Watt testified that Howard told him before the incident that Green, Cortez and Barker had planned to rape a girl, and Howard was to be the lookout.


"There's nothing I've read that says what to do if your buddies have raped and murdered a family,'' Watt said.


According to Barker's sworn statement cited by Bierce, Green not only raped the girl but also shot her and her family members after telling his comrades repeatedly that he wanted to kill some Iraqis.


Bierce testified that on the day of the attack, Barker, Cortez, Spielman and Green had been playing cards and drinking Iraqi whiskey mixed with an energy drink. Afterward, they practiced hitting golf balls, Bierce quoted Barker as saying in his statement.


Bierce said Barker's statement made it clear that Green was very persistent about killing some Iraqis and kept bringing up the idea. At some point, they decided to go to the house of Abeer, whom they had seen passing by their checkpoint earlier.


According to Bierce, Barker told him that when they arrived at the house, Abeer and her father were outside. Spielman grabbed Abeer while Green seized her father and took them into the house, Bierce said, quoting Barker. Cortez and Barker also went in.


Green took the father, mother and the younger sister into the bedroom and closed the door, while Abeer remained in the living room with the others.


Barker wrote that Cortez pushed Abeer to the floor, lifted her dress and tore off her underwear while she struggled, Bierce said. Cortez appeared to rape her, according to Barker's statement, Bierce said.


Barker then tried to rape the girl, Bierce said. Suddenly, the group heard gunshots. According to Barker's statement, which was read by Bierce, Green came out of the bedroom, holding an AK-47 rifle, and declared: "They're all dead. I just killed them.''


Green put the gun down, then raped Abeer while Cortez held her down; Barker claims Green picked up the AK-47 and shot her once, paused, then shot her several more times, Bierce said.


Barker confirmed he got a kerosene lamp and poured the fuel on the girl's body, Bierce said. The body was set on fire, but Barker does not say who did it. Barker's statement also does not say if Howard or Spielman participated in the rape.


Barker's statement says he grilled chicken wings when they got back to their checkpoint, Bierce testified. A few hours later, Barker wrote, Iraqi soldiers came to report they had found a family murdered.


Since the case became public last month, U.S. officials have said they were concerned it could strain relations with Iraq's new government if Iraqis perceive that the soldiers receive lenient treatment.


The Americans have offered assurances that the case will be pursued vigorously and that the soldiers will be punished if convicted.


The case has already increased demands for changes in an agreement that exempts U.S. soldiers from prosecution in Iraqi courts. And Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki has demanded an independent investigation into the case.
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strong hatred makes people do crazy shit.
That sucks ass.
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strong hatred makes people do crazy shit.
That sucks ass.
im sure the 14 year old girl wasnt a sadaam supporter, or throwin rocks at tanks.. i mean i'da hit it but isnt putting a bullet through her head taking it over the line?!?!
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There are "very few" fucked up soldiers/marines/sailors/airmen over there. But those minute fucktards are making it really fucking hard for the good guys to do their job without dying.

I'm really getting pissed about it because everything I've learned in the military says that this is due to a lack of leadership. Good leadership can keep borderline soldiers in line 100% of the time. It doesn't even take that much fucking effort. You see a soldier mistreat a prisoner or stealing, you send his ass to jail. The rest get the message really fucking quick. Good soldiers don't need leadership as much. They simply need direction for those times when they get into a grey area.

IMO, you start with Generals that tolorated that shit and start working your way down. Every fucking incident like this is a victory for the fuckin' terrorists. That's it PERIOD.

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That is horrible, but I do somewhat understand how they could be so cruel. They are living under less than ideal conditions with lots of stress.

I can't imagine having those thoughts and believing they are rational. Those guys are seriously fucked up.

I hope that family rests in peace.
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I think if it is true then they should be punished to the full extent of the law. What would happen to someone who did this here in Texas to a 14 yr old girl and her family?
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Hell, I'm just surprised more allegations like this haven't come out yet... just sayin.
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Find me a statistic for the % of people in the USA that are mentally unstable.
Apply that % to the total number of troops in Iraq.

Why do people find stuff like this out of the ordinary? How many rapes are there in Los Angeles daily? New York?

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[QUOTE=NayNay]repost im sure but WTF were they thinking... WHY THE FUCK ARE THEY THERE?

GEORGE BUSH IS A NUTCASE



I'm not sure I understand how solders raping a girl makes George Bush a nut case. Did George rape the girl?


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All politics and BS aside guys this is really jacked up and it just breeds hate
and supports there hate and justifys in there mind killing our guys.


Put your self as a family member of this family just imagine what went thru
the father and mothers minds as they hear there daughers sceams for help.

As a father I can tell you they would have had too shoot me too.

If we don't nip this shit in the bud where only digging more of our honest
hard working average guy on the grounds grave.

If the rest of the family where not supporters of the anti-american movement
they are now.

It's just sad.

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I'm not sure I understand how solders raping a girl makes George Bush a nut case. Did George rape the girl?
I was wondering the same thing, but you didn't need to quote the whole article.

I'll tell you one thing...if you were to sit and have a conversation with, say, me, and then have a conversation with an Army or Marines infantry troop, you would notice the difference. No offense to them, but the Army and Marines (some, not all) over here get brainwashed. Extreme hatred makes people do extreme things...doesn't make it right or excuseable. These people need to take responsibility for their actions. I see no problem with smacking some golf balls, but raping and killing innocents cannot go unpunished.

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I'm not sure I understand how solders raping a girl makes George Bush a nut case. Did George rape the girl?
Good question, I wonder if anyone who thinks that will answer it. I doubt it.

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Good question, I wonder if anyone who thinks that will answer it. I doubt it.
They will not because they do not have a solid answer. We did not become the strongest nation in the world by backing down. George has done a great job. People seem to forget real quick what happened sept 11 2001 on our soil and back in the early 90's.

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