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WTF! Isn't getting our gas money enough?

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Decrying Saudi Arabia for teaching intolerance and financing terrorism, lawmakers voted 312-97 to cut the $420,000 the oil-rich kingdom receives to participate in U.S.-backed military and counter-terrorism training.
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Congress has passed similar measures in the past, but Bush has used a waiver to clear the funds to Saudi Arabia.
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Further evidence that Bush has not only drifted away from the American people, but even from the Republican party.

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WTH. Seems they now do everything that does not make sense.
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Further evidence that Bush has not only drifted away from the American people, but even from the Republican party.

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Are you not into politics much? We have been giving Israel 2.2 billion a year for a long time. We gave Iraq money to fight Iran, we gave the Afgans (we kinda helped form the Taliban) money and weapons to fight the Russians. We have always given money and trained our enemies. So this is not something new Bush just dreamed up. Try again.

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Are you not into politics much? We have been giving Israel 2.2 billion a year for a long time. We gave Iraq money to fight Iran, we gave the Afgans (we kinda helped form the Taliban) money and weapons to fight the Russians. We have always given money and trained our enemies. So this is not something new Bush just dreamed up. Try again.
WE've financed Israel from the beginning, since 1948. Our foreign aid to all other countries of the world COMBINED don't match the amount of money we send to Israel. Selling weapons to your enemies is good business as long as the weapons are somewhat obsolete. But giving them cash to buy whatever is a bad idea.

Congress was clearly against this, just like the Dubai ports deal, but Bush overruled them on this one. IOf there had been a big public uproar, like Dubai, the results would have been similar.

But what does that have to do with the fact that Bush has alienated the american public, the Republican party, and even the Christian coalition folks?

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WE've financed Israel from the beginning, since 1948. Our foreign aid to all other countries of the world COMBINED don't match the amount of money we send to Israel. Selling weapons to your enemies is good business as long as the weapons are somewhat obsolete. But giving them cash to buy whatever is a bad idea.

Congress was clearly against this, just like the Dubai ports deal, but Bush overruled them on this one. IOf there had been a big public uproar, like Dubai, the results would have been similar.

But what does that have to do with the fact that Bush has alienated the american public, the Republican party, and even the Christian coalition folks?

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I guess I don't see how he has unless you only get your info from CNN. My only problem with him is border issues and a limited war doesn't work! But if he tried to send more troops the Left would cry foul.


BTW -- The royal family of Saudi isn't the problem. They too have an insergancy that would like to get them out since they are friendly to the west.

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WTF! Isn't getting our gas money enough?

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wtf do you expect the Bush family are in the oil business!!!!!!!!!! they had this business long before both of them were president.....

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Im ready for a retard liberal to get into office. Then this place can fall like Rome.

I got my guns and thousands of rounds of ammo and a nice hiding spot on a selfsustaining farm.

Im all for the queer lovin, softie to terrorist, ignorant to security, isolationism afraid, non God fearing, weed smokin, self centered, clam chowdar eatin loosers to win the house, senate and presidency so this bitch can burn down and the US get cleaned up by the terrorist of the world. Its about time the US got a big dose of reality. Too many stupid people are here to swing the vote towards the dumb side now. Darwinism and Reality need to step in and restore a balance to the nation.

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Im ready for a retard liberal to get into office. Then this place can fall like Rome.

I got my guns and thousands of rounds of ammo and a nice hiding spot on a selfsustaining farm.

Im all for the queer lovin, softie to terrorist, ignorant to security, isolationism afraid, non God fearing, weed smokin, self centered, clam chowdar eatin loosers to win the house, senate and presidency so this bitch can burn down and the US get cleaned up by the terrorist of the world. Its about time the US got a big dose of reality. Too many stupid people are here to swing the vote towards the dumb side now. Darwinism and Reality need to step in and restore a balance to the nation.

bring it on.
You gun toting fatalist crack me up. No industrialized country has EVER fallen to terrorist. It will require a FORMIDABLE Air Force & Army to even think of taking the USA. And no terrorist state has anything even close. And if a powerfull military force ever DID attack the US, your guns & thousands of rounds of ammo would be useless against cruise missles, tanks & supersonic aircraft.

Grow up, you've been watching too many Arnold Schwartzeneger & Sylvester Stallone movies. Oh, and during this country's 2 greatest crisis, WWII and the peak of the cold war, the Cuban Missle crisis, we were led by "liberals" (FDR & JFK), and we came out just fine.

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Im ready for a retard liberal to get into office. Then this place can fall like Rome.

I got my guns and thousands of rounds of ammo and a nice hiding spot on a selfsustaining farm.

Im all for the queer lovin, softie to terrorist, ignorant to security, isolationism afraid, non God fearing, weed smokin, self centered, clam chowdar eatin loosers to win the house, senate and presidency so this bitch can burn down and the US get cleaned up by the terrorist of the world. Its about time the US got a big dose of reality. Too many stupid people are here to swing the vote towards the dumb side now. Darwinism and Reality need to step in and restore a balance to the nation.

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You gun toting fatalist crack me up. No industrialized country has EVER fallen to terrorist. It will require a FORMIDABLE Air Force & Army to even think of taking the USA. And no terrorist state has anything even close. And if a powerfull military force ever DID attack the US, your guns & thousands of rounds of ammo would be useless against cruise missles, tanks & supersonic aircraft.

Grow up, you've been watching too may Arnold Schwartzeneger & Sylvester Stallone movies. Oh, and during this country's 2 greatest crisis, WWII and the peak of the cold war, the Cuban Missle crisis, we were led by "liberals" (FDR & JFK), and we came out just fine.

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WE've financed Israel from the beginning, since 1948. Our foreign aid to all other countries of the world COMBINED don't match the amount of money we send to Israel. Selling weapons to your enemies is good business as long as the weapons are somewhat obsolete. But giving them cash to buy whatever is a bad idea.

Congress was clearly against this, just like the Dubai ports deal, but Bush overruled them on this one. IOf there had been a big public uproar, like Dubai, the results would have been similar.

But what does that have to do with the fact that Bush has alienated the american public, the Republican party, and even the Christian coalition folks?

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Check your facts. Egypt gets motre than Israel. And Israel continually sells our latest military technology to our rivals. They undermine us regularly in the intelligence gathering sector. Fuck israel and fuck any christian coalition commies. I only hope Iran nukes the piss out of them and makes the worlds deepest hole there. As far as SA and UAE, they don't sell our secrets, they participate fully in our interests and the port deal involved a country that is more democratic than that fucking israel. Bush should kill this dead, and tell congress to find a few billion in pork to cut instead of these pennies for photo ops. The repubs are reaping what they sowed, and it wasn't Bush at all.
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You gun toting fatalist crack me up. No industrialized country has EVER fallen to terrorist.
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Rusia fell to anarchists about 100 years ago. More inconvenient facts for your ignore list. As far as subversive movements bringing a country down the tubes from within, besides Russia there was China (industrialized), VietNam (Industralized), Iraq (Industrialized), and almost the US under FDR (read the Venona transcripts; FDR was a full fledged socialist elitist). In fact, it was under FDR that thousands of US citizens wwere rounded up just because of their heritage. And the Cuban "crisis"was a crock; the Soviets bluffed and our intelligence knew it.
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You gun toting fatalist crack me up. No industrialized country has EVER fallen to terrorist. It will require a FORMIDABLE Air Force & Army to even think of taking the USA. And no terrorist state has anything even close. And if a powerfull military force ever DID attack the US, your guns & thousands of rounds of ammo would be useless against cruise missles, tanks & supersonic aircraft.

Grow up, you've been watching too many Arnold Schwartzeneger & Sylvester Stallone movies. Oh, and during this country's 2 greatest crisis, WWII and the peak of the cold war, the Cuban Missle crisis, we were led by "liberals" (FDR & JFK), and we came out just fine.

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Do you realize how close our economy nearly came to failing and bringing total chaos after 9/11? It does not take an invasion to bring us down, it is the terror in terrorism that will harm us. Imagine if a few dirty bombs go off in major cities. These bombs do not have to kill alot of people, just have enough radioactive material to cause sickness. Try going to a disaster preparedness situation with about 100 or so sick and dying people and see how quickly local resources get overwhelmed. Imagine that in about 5-10 major cities all at once. Bush saved our country from possible ruin with his steadfast leadership and determination after 9/11. It could have been alot worse if a much weaker (Gore) person had been in office IMO.

Your naive assessment of what it would take to bring down our country is a major reason why the liberals have lost power for so long. You must switch to post 9/11 thinking. You just don't get it.

I know you don't claim to be a liberal, but you sure sound like one over and over and over.

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Im ready for a retard liberal to get into office. Then this place can fall like Rome.

I got my guns and thousands of rounds of ammo and a nice hiding spot on a selfsustaining farm.

Im all for the queer lovin, softie to terrorist, ignorant to security, isolationism afraid, non God fearing, weed smokin, self centered, clam chowdar eatin loosers to win the house, senate and presidency so this bitch can burn down and the US get cleaned up by the terrorist of the world. Its about time the US got a big dose of reality. Too many stupid people are here to swing the vote towards the dumb side now. Darwinism and Reality need to step in and restore a balance to the nation.

bring it on.
The only problem is that I can retire in about 7 years, so I don't want this to happen anytiome soon. LOL

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Do you realize how close our economy nearly came to failing and bringing total chaos after 9/11? It does not take an invasion to bring us down, it is the terror in terrorism that will harm us. Imagine if a few dirty bombs go off in major cities. These bombs do not have to kill alot of people, just have enough radioactive material to cause sickness. Try going to a disaster preparedness situation with about 100 or so sick and dying people and see how quickly local resources get overwhelmed. Imagine that in about 5-10 major cities all at once. Bush saved our country from possible ruin with his steadfast leadership and determination after 9/11. It could have been alot worse if a much weaker (Gore) person had been in office IMO.

Your naive assessment of what it would take to bring down our country is a major reason why the liberals have lost power for so long. You must switch to post 9/11 thinking. You just don't get it.

I know you don't claim to be a liberal, but you sure sound like one over and over and over.
I guess on 9/11,I missed the news reports of all the other attackes that Bush foiled. I also missed the reports about foiled nuclear attacks. 9/11 was tragic, but in no way endangered this country. Do you think the Vietnam war seriously endangered this country? 50,000 americans died in Vietnam. Do you think Hurricane Katrina seriously endangered this country? Katrina caused 10 times the property damage as 9/11.

I do not in any way dismiss out loses from 9/11, but 2400 Americans die in auto accidents every 6 weeks, is that a threat to the US? If you really believe that 9/11 was a serious threat to the USA, you reinforce claims of foreigners that claim the USA has no stomach for war. When your grandfather was around we lost 1,000,000 Americans during WWII, which even then, it would have been nearly impossible for the US to be successfully invaded by Germany or Japan.

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Rusia fell to anarchists about 100 years ago. More inconvenient facts for your ignore list. As far as subversive movements bringing a country down the tubes from within, besides Russia there was China (industrialized), VietNam (Industralized), Iraq (Industrialized), and almost the US under FDR (read the Venona transcripts; FDR was a full fledged socialist elitist). In fact, it was under FDR that thousands of US citizens wwere rounded up just because of their heritage. And the Cuban "crisis"was a crock; the Soviets bluffed and our intelligence knew it.
If you want to call a civil war "terrorsism", you might be right. The Russian Czar fell to Russian socialist ( a civil war) China also "fell" to a civil war assisted by Russia. And Iraq "fell" to an internal religious movement.Vietnam was overthrown by a coup of communist military generals. All of these changeovers were done by the citizens of thier own countries (althought there was assistence by outsiders in some cases). Not to mention that when Russia, Vietnam & China "fell", they were not industrialized nations, that happened AFTER they went to Communism.

By those standards, the Confederate States of America was a terrorist state.

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I see now where you are coming from in regard to "terrorists". Sorry, I equated your statement as "anarchists from within" in a general sense.

Much of the warfare of the US Civil War could be regarded as terrorism by today's standards. And certainly the struggles in Russia started by common terrorism, that is non-dicretionary bombings. That was where I was getting that.
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Since when was he with the American people?
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I guess on 9/11,I missed the news reports of all the other attackes that Bush foiled. I also missed the reports about foiled nuclear attacks. 9/11 was tragic, but in no way endangered this country. Do you think the Vietnam war seriously endangered this country? 50,000 americans died in Vietnam. Do you think Hurricane Katrina seriously endangered this country? Katrina caused 10 times the property damage as 9/11.

I do not in any way dismiss out loses from 9/11, but 2400 Americans die in auto accidents every 6 weeks, is that a threat to the US? If you really believe that 9/11 was a serious threat to the USA, you reinforce claims of foreigners that claim the USA has no stomach for war. When your grandfather was around we lost 1,000,000 Americans during WWII, which even then, it would have been nearly impossible for the US to be successfully invaded by Germany or Japan.

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Where the fuck do you come up with this shit? Yes jackass a terrorist attack to our major financial center is a threat. Also the damage it did to the airlines and other businesses. You are trying to compare terrorism with natural disasters and auto accidents. Guess what we try to prevent them also.

Not to give them any credit but with thousands of dollars and 15 lives they killed 2400 of us and did billions in damage. You should have your ass kicked just for trying to say it wasn't a threat.

I bet you aren't even old enough to remember back in 81' when Israel had to attack Iraq to blow up a Nuclear facility!

You just keep living in you dream world where no one wants to stop our way of life.
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Where the fuck do you come up with this shit? Yes jackass a terrorist attack to our major financial center is a threat. Also the damage it did to the airlines and other businesses. You are trying to compare terrorism with natural disasters and auto accidents. Guess what we try to prevent them also.

Not to give them any credit but with thousands of dollars and 15 lives they killed 2400 of us and did billions in damage. You should have your ass kicked just for trying to say it wasn't a threat.

I bet you aren't even old enough to remember back in 81' when Israel had to attack Iraq to blow up a Nuclear facility!

You just keep living in you dream world where no one wants to stop our way of life.
I'm, 43 dumbass.I remember 81 well(I graduated HS in 81). My intent was that 9/11 was not a serious threat to sovereignty of the USA. It takes more than a few airliners being used as missiles to "take over" the USA. Some on here seem to think the USA was about to "fall" on 9/11. To say that the USA nearly fell on 9/11 is an insult to our military, and the American people.

Wars are won by destroying the enemies ability to fight. My comparison to natural disasters and auto accidents was to emphasize that 9/11 was not a world ending event. You give the ragheads too much credit.

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I'm, 43 dumbass.I remember 81 well(I graduated HS in 81). My intent was that 9/11 was not a serious threat to sovereignty of the USA. It takes more than a few airliners being used as missiles to "take over" the USA. Some on here seem to think the USA was about to "fall" on 9/11. To say that the USA nearly fell on 9/11 is an insult to our military, and the American people.

Wars are won by destroying the enemies ability to fight. My comparison to natural disasters and auto accidents was to emphasize that 9/11 was not a world ending event. You give the ragheads too much credit.

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Then act like it because you are old enough to know what a problem these people have been for a long time! To say that it was not a threat is asinine. I understand what you are saying with the U.S. would not fall. But it is a serious threat and should be dealt with accordingly. You seem like a leftist and that all you want to do is bash Bush and will use anything to do so.

There are ways to deal with problem regions.

1. Give aid so maybe the people will see we are not the evil West. (point of this thread)
2. Sanctions to get them to comply (usually doesn't do a lot)
3. War -- something that shouldn't happen but does and should always be a last resort.

The funny part is these are nothing new. But if Bush does Any of them you little lefties jump up and down and cry! If he did nothing you would jump up and down and cry and say he did nothing.

If everyone wants the Republicans out of office then get off your lazy asses and vote. But this bashing no matter what just cause you are pissed your guy didn't win is getting old.
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Then act like it because you are old enough to know what a problem these people have been for a long time! To say that it was not a threat is asinine. I understand what you are saying with the U.S. would not fall. But it is a serious threat and should be dealt with accordingly. You seem like a leftist and that all you want to do is bash Bush and will use anything to do so.

There are ways to deal with problem regions.

1. Give aid so maybe the people will see we are not the evil West. (point of this thread)
2. Sanctions to get them to comply (usually doesn't do a lot)
3. War -- something that shouldn't happen but does and should always be a last resort.

The funny part is these are nothing new. But if Bush does Any of them you little lefties jump up and down and cry! If he did nothing you would jump up and down and cry and say he did nothing.

If everyone wants the Republicans out of office then get off your lazy asses and vote. But this bashing no matter what just cause you are pissed your guy didn't win is getting old.
I'm not a "leftist", I'm a moderate. But this site is so bent in the right wing direction, it does make appear left leaning. I'm not alone is disliking Bush, and I disliked him BEFORE 9/11.

Face it, the majority of Americans are unhappy with Bush, many Republicans are unhappy with Bush, and even many conservatives are unhappy with Bush.

I get tired of hearing all the Bushbots on this site swear allegiance to him, no matter how much he screws up. Although that seems to be dying down now.

9/11 for America was like you bumping into a beehive. Painfull, potentially dangerous, and you'll do anything to prevent it. But few (if any) nations have fallen to terrorism,and few people die from bee stings.

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I get tired of hearing all the Bushbots on this site swear allegiance to him, no matter how much he screws up. Although that seems to be dying down now.
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I think there are a lot more people admitting he isn't perfect than the Lefty (yes if you read your own post fall into this group) admit he has done good. Kinda like Clinton. I think he was a waste but I am not so jaded I can't see that he didn't do some good for the Country. Try it sometime then call yourself modertate.

I think Carter was one of the worst presidents we had but even with him there are things he did right. One of which is giving control of a out of date canal that is estimated to cost 2M a day to keep operational and it can't even let some of our carriers or supertankers and cargo ships pass.



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Political moderates usually seek conciliation between the views of various political parties, and often take positions partially derived from opposite views. For example, political moderates might not support the end of private property in the way advocated by Marxists, but they also might not support laissez-faire capitalism.

Some political moderates are "bi-polar" in the sense that they side with right-wingers on certain classes of issues, but with left-wingers on others, rather than consistently staking out intermediate positions across the board. In the United States, however, the term "libertarian" is often used to denote those who hold conservative views on economic issues such as taxes and welfare, but are liberal on social and moral issues like abortion and gay rights. A person holding views opposite to this on both counts—taking a liberal stand on economic issues while lining up with the conservatives socially and morally—is sometimes characterized as a "communitarian."

"Moderate" is by definition a relative term, since the position considered moderate depends on the nature of the two (or more) competing ideologies that the moderates are trying to conciliate. As such, the moderates in one country often do not share the views of moderates in other countries. Even within the same country or community, the position considered "moderate" changes over time. For example, in the Southern United States during the first half of the 19th century, supporting slavery was considered a sensible and moderate view to hold. Today, in the same geographical area, supporting slavery is considered dangerous and unacceptable extremism.
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Good to hear. I think people often overlook how important it is to vote. I guess it is easier to say "my vote won't make a difference" than it is to get off their lazy asses and go vote.
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I like Bush as my president. He's covered a lot of ground. Two supreme court seats, which were very good picks IMO. Several confirmations, including an AG who had the balls to bust a congressional crook, and made all the other crooks on both sides of the aisle scream.

Kept us out of a losing war by killing it. Probably the most significant thing he did for the country long-term and part of why we are experiencing good economic growth in spite of energy costs. Unfortunately Al Gore wants us to join in again and lose.

Managed to get snubbed and remain snubbed by the euroweenies, and now is rubbing their noses in it.

Ran on a tax cut platform and followed through. Score major points from me on that. Could have been better? Sure, but is that any reason to just give up? Just add some more.

Put Rumsfeld in place as secdev, which pissed off the Israelis. Anything to piss them off is cool with me.

Moved out of Austin and into washington (sucked as governor)

There are plenty of other things, and some of them piss me off, but damn, he will go down as a very meticulous and careful president who had immense vision when it is all looked back on in 40-60 years. Scratch that, people still credit Lincoln and FDR as great protectors of freedom. Well, anyhow...
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I guess on 9/11,I missed the news reports of all the other attackes that Bush foiled. I also missed the reports about foiled nuclear attacks. 9/11 was tragic, but in no way endangered this country. Do you think the Vietnam war seriously endangered this country? 50,000 americans died in Vietnam. Do you think Hurricane Katrina seriously endangered this country? Katrina caused 10 times the property damage as 9/11.

I do not in any way dismiss out loses from 9/11, but 2400 Americans die in auto accidents every 6 weeks, is that a threat to the US? If you really believe that 9/11 was a serious threat to the USA, you reinforce claims of foreigners that claim the USA has no stomach for war. When your grandfather was around we lost 1,000,000 Americans during WWII, which even then, it would have been nearly impossible for the US to be successfully invaded by Germany or Japan.

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Of course you missed the fact that we were getting attacked in some form or fashion on American soil or without retaliation about every year by Al Quaeda during the 90's and since 9/11 it has stopped. That is because there is nothing that Bush could do that would ever be seen as positive by you.

If you do not think the Airlines going bankrupt, which is what nearly happened, would be economic disaster for our country, you are ill informed. We cannot lose our Airlines, Auto Industry, or any other major industry without economic chaos. Sure, our country will not disappear, but imagine it with the major industries collapsing.

What reports about nuclear attacks? I know you are not stupid so don't act like you didn't know I was referring to a theoretical dirty bomb attack.

Hurrican Katrina was nothing compared to 9/11. Again, the "terror" inflicted by the terrorist attack is what is so frightening and destabilizing.

You are such a pre-9/11, head in the sand, oblivious to the real world liberal I can't beleive it. Take off the Bush hating goggles, the world is out there for you to see. It isn't all that bad actually.

If you don't understand the difference between people dying in car crashes and what happened on 9/11, then you are doomed to keep voting for Democrats who also don't understand it. I pray that your candidates never win.

I love you commenting that foreigners say we have no stomach for war when the last Democrat is the one who tucked his tail and ran after 19 or so Americans were killed in Somlia. Remember the images of their bodies being dragged through the streets by untrained third world thugs with automatic machine guns? I sure do. Watch the A&E show where the soldiers who were there talk about whgatr really happened. How Clinton let them go there but did not allow them to have armored vehicles and we had to ask for permission for the damn UN vehicles to rescue our soldiers. It is not me who is scared of war, it you and your Bush hating buddies.

Your views are on the wrong side of history, and it has made you bitter and spiteful, like all the other like minded liberal Democrats.

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Where the fuck do you come up with this shit? Yes jackass a terrorist attack to our major financial center is a threat. Also the damage it did to the airlines and other businesses.
I would have to guess that 9/11 caused trillions of dollar of damage and economic loss. I remember being at work that day. Productivity for that week was shot.
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My comparison to natural disasters and auto accidents was to emphasize that 9/11 was not a world ending event. You give the ragheads too much credit.

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You don't give them enough credit. As stated above, with a few thousand dollars and 19 men, they nearly banrupted our airlines.

Of course 9/11 was not a world ending event, GW saved us from that possibility.

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Your views are extreme left to me, and I voted for Clinton in '92. That tells me that the "moderate" Democrats like you are way left of what my opinion of moderate is.

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I like Bush as my president. He's covered a lot of ground. Two supreme court seats, which were very good picks IMO. Several confirmations, including an AG who had the balls to bust a congressional crook, and made all the other crooks on both sides of the aisle scream.

Kept us out of a losing war by killing it. Probably the most significant thing he did for the country long-term and part of why we are experiencing good economic growth in spite of energy costs. Unfortunately Al Gore wants us to join in again and lose.

Managed to get snubbed and remain snubbed by the euroweenies, and now is rubbing their noses in it.

Ran on a tax cut platform and followed through. Score major points from me on that. Could have been better? Sure, but is that any reason to just give up? Just add some more.

Put Rumsfeld in place as secdev, which pissed off the Israelis. Anything to piss them off is cool with me.

Moved out of Austin and into washington (sucked as governor)

There are plenty of other things, and some of them piss me off, but damn, he will go down as a very meticulous and careful president who had immense vision when it is all looked back on in 40-60 years. Scratch that, people still credit Lincoln and FDR as great protectors of freedom. Well, anyhow...
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[QUOTE=90 Notch] How Clinton let them go there but did not allow them to have armored vehicles and we had to ask for permission for the damn UN vehicles to rescue our soldiers. /QUOTE]

Don't blame that on Clinton(who I never voted for) Bush sent troops to Iraq in unarmored Humvees, hell local weld shops made the floor armor & shipped to Iraq, because our Congress (republican led) would not pay for the armor.

90 Notch:If you do not think the Airlines going bankrupt, which is what nearly happened, would be economic disaster for our country, you are ill informed. We cannot lose our Airlines, Auto Industry, or any other major industry without economic chaos. Sure, our country will not disappear, but imagine it with the major industries collapsing.


Check your history, I don't think any airlines went bankrupt solely due to 9/11. However, when the airlines were deregulated, that eventually put 75% of them out of business, remember Braniff, Pan Am, TWA, Eastern, all killed by deregulation. Fuel prices are the biggest problems for airlines now. I don't hear you crying about that.

90 Notch:Hurrican Katrina was nothing compared to 9/11. Again, the "terror" inflicted by the terrorist attack is what is so frightening and destabilizing.

You are such a pre-9/11, head in the sand, oblivious to the real world liberal I can't beleive it. Take off the Bush hating goggles, the world is out there for you to see. It isn't all that bad actually.

If you don't understand the difference between people dying in car crashes and what happened on 9/11, then you are doomed to keep voting for Democrats who also don't understand it. I pray that your candidates never win.



Your problem is you put strong emotions into nearly all your political views.
It colors your judgement. You ignore the 50,000 Americans who die every year in auto accidents, you ignore the hundreds of billions of dollars lost in Katrina....why? because there's no "bad guy" to blame? But the hurricane victims are just as dead, the business's that went under because of Katrina, are just as bankrupt.....as 9/11 victims. But you and the rest of the lynch mob have no one to string up for those tragedies, so you forget them. Oh, and I've never voted for a Democratic presidental candidate. And my current choice is John McCain.

In military strategy, as in business, the victor will usually the one who can formulate a plan without emotion involved. Stick to the cold hard numbers and you usually will win, fly off the handle like a hothead, and you usually lose. It may seem cold, but it's a fact.

If you've read your history, you'll realize that 9/11 was a small wound, not a severed limb. WWII, The Korean War, Vietnam, and certainly the Civil War were far more destructive to the USA. It just seems so dire to you because you've lived through it.....much more exiting than reading about an old war in a book.

Your biggest problem is you view the world in black & white only. Don't like Bush= Liberal. Don't believe the Iraq war is a fight for our lives= Liberal. Want to nuke 1/6 of the planet= conservative, back Bush no matter what= conservative.

People are complicated, and you can't put them in one of two categories based on 2-3 poliltcal questions.


Oh, and once again, since most of the 9/11 bombers came from Saudi Arabia, since most of the training was done in Afghanistan, since most of the money to finance 9/11 went through UAE banks.....why did we attack Iraq?

WE should have gone after Saudi Arabia. And one final question, after 9/11 when all civilian airlines were grounded, why did Bush authorize a plane to fly Osama Bin Ladens relatives (who lived in NY) out of the USA?

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[QUOTE=90 Notch] How Clinton let them go there but did not allow them to have armored vehicles and we had to ask for permission for the damn UN vehicles to rescue our soldiers. /QUOTE]

Don't blame that on Clinton(who I never voted for) Bush sent troops to Iraq in unarmored Humvees, hell local weld shops made the floor armor & shipped to Iraq, because our Congress (republican led) would not pay for the armor.

90 Notch:If you do not think the Airlines going bankrupt, which is what nearly happened, would be economic disaster for our country, you are ill informed. We cannot lose our Airlines, Auto Industry, or any other major industry without economic chaos. Sure, our country will not disappear, but imagine it with the major industries collapsing.


Check your history, I don't think any airlines went bankrupt solely due to 9/11. However, when the airlines were deregulated, that eventually put 75% of them out of business, remember Braniff, Pan Am, TWA, Eastern, all killed by deregulation. Fuel prices are the biggest problems for airlines now. I don't hear you crying about that.

90 Notch:Hurrican Katrina was nothing compared to 9/11. Again, the "terror" inflicted by the terrorist attack is what is so frightening and destabilizing.

You are such a pre-9/11, head in the sand, oblivious to the real world liberal I can't beleive it. Take off the Bush hating goggles, the world is out there for you to see. It isn't all that bad actually.

If you don't understand the difference between people dying in car crashes and what happened on 9/11, then you are doomed to keep voting for Democrats who also don't understand it. I pray that your candidates never win.



Your problem is you put strong emotions into nearly all your political views.
It colors your judgement. You ignore the 50,000 Americans who die every year in auto accidents, you ignore the hundreds of billions of dollars lost in Katrina....why? because there's no "bad guy" to blame? But the hurricane victims are just as dead, the business's that went under because of Katrina, are just as bankrupt.....as 9/11 victims. But you and the rest of the lynch mob have no one to string up for those tragedies, so you forget them. Oh, and I've never voted for a Democratic presidental candidate. And my current choice is John McCain.

In military strategy, as in business, the victor will usually the one who can formulate a plan without emotion involved. Stick to the cold hard numbers and you usually will win, fly off the handle like a hothead, and you usually lose. It may seem cold, but it's a fact.

If you've read your history, you'll realize that 9/11 was a small wound, not a severed limb. WWII, The Korean War, Vietnam, and certainly the Civil War were far more destructive to the USA. It just seems so dire to you because you've lived through it.....much more exiting than reading about an old war in a book.

Your biggest problem is you view the world in black & white only. Don't like Bush= Liberal. Don't believe the Iraq war is a fight for our lives= Liberal. Want to nuke 1/6 of the planet= conservative, back Bush no matter what= conservative.

People are complicated, and you can't put them in one of two categories based on 2-3 poliltcal questions.


Oh, and once again, since most of the 9/11 bombers came from Saudi Arabia, since most of the training was done in Afghanistan, since most of the money to finance 9/11 went through UAE banks.....why did we attack Iraq?

WE should have gone after Saudi Arabia. And one final question, after 9/11 when all civilian airlines were grounded, why did Bush authorize a plane to fly Osama Bin Ladens relatives (who lived in NY) out of the USA?

Scott
You have lost it. You didn't repond to a damn thing I said with anything of consequence. I say we almost went into airline bankruptcy, and you say you didn't see any airline go bankrupt. I say Clinton sent troops into harms way and left after 19 soldiersd died, you repond by saying Bush sent troops in unarmored humvees. Take off those Bush hating goggles, you aren't reading very well.

Your thought that 9/11 was a "small wound" is an insult to every person who died. That kind of shortsightedness is what we had to suffer through while Clinton got us into the mess Bush had to get us out of. Thank God for Bush. I can only speculate what Gore would have done, and it is not pleasant.

Your question about the flight of Osamas family is putting you in looney tune territory. Again, if you takle off the Bush hating glasses, the world is much clearer. LOL

I may put some emotion in my views, but if you put some intelligence in yours, we would see eye to eye.

BTW, John McCain is a Dmocratic candidate in my mind. He is a RINO by all definitions. He will not get the Rpublican nomination unless he goes to the right IMO.

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90 Notch: Your question about the flight of Osamas family is putting you in looney tune territory. Again, if you takle off the Bush hating glasses, the world is much clearer. LOL

By Dana Milbank
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Thursday, July 22, 2004; Page A07


At least 13 relatives of Osama bin Laden, accompanied by bodyguards and associates, were allowed to leave the United States on a chartered flight eight days after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, according to a passenger manifest released yesterday.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...2004Jul21.html

Many presidents have the unfortunate task of sending troops into harm's way. Clinton did not inspect the unarmored vehicles that went to Somalia, true. But Bush obviously did not ispect the unarmored humvees going to Iraq. The difference was Clinton's oversight was for a few days, whereas it took our republican led govt 3 years to correct the unarmored humvees in Iraq.

You've never answered this one: Oh, and once again, since most of the 9/11 bombers came from Saudi Arabia, since most of the training was done in Afghanistan, since most of the money to finance 9/11 went through UAE banks.....why did we attack Iraq?

Since you voted for Clinton, were you as mindlessly devoted to him back in the day?

If any one has any goggles on....I'd say your Bush loving goggles nearly blind you.

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You don't give them enough credit. As stated above, with a few thousand dollars and 19 men, they nearly banrupted our airlines.

Of course 9/11 was not a world ending event, GW saved us from that possibility.
The airline industry was dying a slow death anyhow, and 9/11 probably did more to keep them afloat than anything. Only a socialist would advocate subsidizing a losing industry for the gain of a few. The free market was actually working, and people were finding ways to use technology in place of travel. On that front, I find your views quite to the left of mine.
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90 Notch: Your question about the flight of Osamas family is putting you in looney tune territory. Again, if you takle off the Bush hating glasses, the world is much clearer. LOL

By Dana Milbank
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Thursday, July 22, 2004; Page A07


At least 13 relatives of Osama bin Laden, accompanied by bodyguards and associates, were allowed to leave the United States on a chartered flight eight days after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, according to a passenger manifest released yesterday.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...2004Jul21.html

Many presidents have the unfortunate task of sending troops into harm's way. Clinton did not inspect the unarmored vehicles that went to Somalia, true. But Bush obviously did not ispect the unarmored humvees going to Iraq. The difference was Clinton's oversight was for a few days, whereas it took our republican led govt 3 years to correct the unarmored humvees in Iraq.

You've never answered this one: Oh, and once again, since most of the 9/11 bombers came from Saudi Arabia, since most of the training was done in Afghanistan, since most of the money to finance 9/11 went through UAE banks.....why did we attack Iraq?

Since you voted for Clinton, were you as mindlessly devoted to him back in the day?

If any one has any goggles on....I'd say your Bush loving goggles nearly blind you.

Scott

I didn't understand that one either until I found out his family hates him and kinda disowned him. He is not welcome back to Saudi and his own brother has said he will kill him for hurting the family name if he is found.

"Binladin, who received Swiss citizenship in 2001, has condemned his half brother "for his acts and his convictions." He intentionally spells his name differently from his half brother."
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90 Notch: Your question about the flight of Osamas family is putting you in looney tune territory. Again, if you takle off the Bush hating glasses, the world is much clearer. LOL

By Dana Milbank
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Thursday, July 22, 2004; Page A07


At least 13 relatives of Osama bin Laden, accompanied by bodyguards and associates, were allowed to leave the United States on a chartered flight eight days after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, according to a passenger manifest released yesterday.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...2004Jul21.html

Many presidents have the unfortunate task of sending troops into harm's way. Clinton did not inspect the unarmored vehicles that went to Somalia, true. But Bush obviously did not ispect the unarmored humvees going to Iraq. The difference was Clinton's oversight was for a few days, whereas it took our republican led govt 3 years to correct the unarmored humvees in Iraq.

You've never answered this one: Oh, and once again, since most of the 9/11 bombers came from Saudi Arabia, since most of the training was done in Afghanistan, since most of the money to finance 9/11 went through UAE banks.....why did we attack Iraq?

Since you voted for Clinton, were you as mindlessly devoted to him back in the day?

If any one has any goggles on....I'd say your Bush loving goggles nearly blind you.

Scott
We have gone over this territory many times. Iraq was more of a threat to us than Saudia Arabia was. Do you advocate attacking Saudia Arabia? I don't. If not, then what coutries would you go into? You can't have it both ways, if Iraq was so bad just because WMD's weren't found, then what if we go into a country you want attacked and I find no justification for the attack? Does that make you wrong because it was justified before you went in, but I arm chair QB'd you after? I still say a country that had one of the worlds worst murderous dictators and had WMD's in the past was a great choice for attack. You know, if 9/11 had not happened we would not have to make these very rough choices. Unfortunately, we are post 9/11 and I have stopped thinking like I did pre-9/11. I hope you catch up to that way of thinking.

I thought Clinotn had the chance to be the next JFK. I was very hopeful and I will never be as disappointed in Bush as I was with Clinton. Bush has exceeded my expectations with his leadership and character far beyond what I had hoped for. Clinton was just an egomaniac who had more interest in short skirts and young gilrs than he did for doing the right thing. He will go down as one of the worst Presidents in our history IMO.

You forgot that when Clinton made his mistake, he pulled out and sent a message to Al Quaeda that when the going got tough, we just got our tail between our legs and ran. Clinton let a well funded but poorly trained group of thugs run the most powerful country in the world away like a scared and abused girl scout. What a great message to send to them, kill a few troops, and we will just l;eave. We saw how that strategy worked on 9/11 didn't we? That will be a major part of his legacy.

Bush has stopped attacks on our soil and is fighting the terrorists on their soil, not ours.

For the last time, Bush is not perfect. I have several issues with what he has done. I do think he is by far the best choice we had in the last 2 elections.

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The airline industry was dying a slow death anyhow, and 9/11 probably did more to keep them afloat than anything. Only a socialist would advocate subsidizing a losing industry for the gain of a few. The free market was actually working, and people were finding ways to use technology in place of travel. On that front, I find your views quite to the left of mine.
You are talking about subsidizing the airline industry and say that is my philosophy? Please quote me where I said that. I can't wait.

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