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"I'm going back to my cottage to rape my wife."-- Bill Clinton



XXXXX DRUDGE REPORT XXXXX SUN JUNE 12, 2005 2025 ET XXXXX

RAGE AT AUTHOR AFTER CLAIM: BILL RAPED HILLARY, CONCEIVED CHELSEA

**Exclusive**

Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton turned furious and considered legal action after learning bestselling author Ed Klein would allege in a new book: Bill Clinton raped her -- resulting in the conception of daughter Chelsea Clinton!

"[Author] Klein is going to rot in hell for this," a well-placed source close to Hillary said over the weekend.

The explosive charge comes in THE TRUTH ABOUT HILLARY: WHAT SHE KNEW, WHEN SHE KNEW IT, AND HOW FAR SHE'LL GO TO BECOME PRESIDENT -- set for release next week.

[The book ranked #198 on AMAZON.COM's hourly sale chart late Sunday.]

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"I'm going back to my cottage to rape my wife," Klein quotes Bill Clinton as saying during a Bermuda getaway in 1979.

In the morning, the Clintons' room "looked like World War III. There are pillows and busted-up furniture all over the place," an unnamed source tells Klein.

Klein source claims Bill later learned Hillary was pregnant reading about it in the ARKANSAS GAZETTE.

"The fact that his wife didn't tell him that she was pregnant before she told a reporter doesn't seem to phase him one bit, because he says, 'Do you know what night that happened?"

"'No,' I say. 'When?"

"'It was Bermuda,' he says, 'And you were there!'"

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The rape claim is just the beginning of Klein's alleged revelations, the DRUDGE REPORT can reveal.

TRUTH ABOUT HILLARY marks the most aggressive attempt yet to investigate Hillary.

The former first lady turned senator fumed as a close aide offered details of the book, an insider explains.

"Mrs. Clinton told me she would considering suing him for outright libel," the top Hillary source explains. "This is the right wing attack machine on crack!"

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But Hillary and her camp may have a hard time typecasting Ed Klein as a Clinton-crazed right-winger. Klein is the former foreign editor of NEWSWEEK and former editor in chief of the NEW YORK TIMES MAGAZINE. He is a frequent contributor to VANITY FAIR and PARADE.

He is also the author of THE KENNEDY CURSE; FAREWELL, JACKIE; and several other NEW YORK TIMES bestsellers.

VANITY FAIR has already commissioned an excerpt of the embargoed Hillary book, exploring Hillary's senate runs.

Developing...

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Why would it be funny? Then again, you're one of those clinton lovers, and we all know Slick's track record with forced sex.......

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Let's hope this book makes it impossible to even win the primary

I don't want that stupid bitch trying to run this country.
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Yes, yes it is.

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I don't know what the fuck you're asking.

*edit - found it*

Not vast, but definitely the lunatic fringe. C'mon dude, you can't REALLY believe that crock of shit... can you?
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Just by posting that it shows how you will go to any lengths to keep a democrat from running for President. It really doesn't matter if it is Hillary Clinton, John Edwards, Howard Dean or heck pick your own, they get trashed bythe right. I would bet that if Troy Aikman or Emmett Smith was running on the Democratic ticket rumors would go out in a fever. Everyone knows Clinton is a kinky old dude but rape is far fetched.
I read that the author claims this took place so let's look at some legitimate dirt on George:
1. DUI = yes records to prove it
2. Ducked Vietnam = yes passed the waiting list for Guard entry, records prove it
3. Current Job = you decide, high gas prices, dollar still weak on the world stage, still operating deep in the red, Iraq still no exit plan, heck I never saw a real entry plan, troops are still not properly equipped for mission so he doesn't mind sending others into harms way while not doing his job
4. Phonics = just listen to him speak, I can find some quotes if you really want to argue this one.
5. He is not a bad guy just a bad President, history will not speak highly of him. Even at his funeral.
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Hitlery Clinton, John Edwards, and Howard Dean are the strongest Demoncrap names you can throw out there? Wow......put down another W for the GOP next election. Rape and Clinton is not a far fetched theory, i.e. Juanita Broaddrick. If he'll rape another married woman, why not his own wife?
Ducked Vietanam? Silly rabbit....that would be Bill clinton...he was overseas bad mouthing the country and listening to rock and roll music, while W satisfied his military requirements in the Guard. History will remember W as the man who brought a stop to the onslaught of Muslim attacks on our people, the man who led us out of the shadow of 911. They'll remember Clinton as "that blow job dude. The one that got impeached." And to bitch about the troops nopt being properly equipped, and blame it on the current administration is pathetic. Who put the military into this state? Who cut defense spending over and over and over? Was it...maybe....SATAN? No, not quite.....but it was his right hand man, Bill Clinnochio.


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Just by posting that it shows how you will go to any lengths to keep a democrat from running for President. It really doesn't matter if it is Hillary Clinton, John Edwards, Howard Dean or heck pick your own, they get trashed bythe right. I would bet that if Troy Aikman or Emmett Smith was running on the Democratic ticket rumors would go out in a fever. Everyone knows Clinton is a kinky old dude but rape is far fetched.
I read that the author claims this took place so let's look at some legitimate dirt on George:
1. DUI = yes records to prove it
2. Ducked Vietnam = yes passed the waiting list for Guard entry, records prove it
3. Current Job = you decide, high gas prices, dollar still weak on the world stage, still operating deep in the red, Iraq still no exit plan, heck I never saw a real entry plan, troops are still not properly equipped for mission so he doesn't mind sending others into harms way while not doing his job
4. Phonics = just listen to him speak, I can find some quotes if you really want to argue this one.
5. He is not a bad guy just a bad President, history will not speak highly of him. Even at his funeral.

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Just by posting that it shows how you will go to any lengths to keep a democrat from running for President. It really doesn't matter if it is Hillary Clinton, John Edwards, Howard Dean or heck pick your own, they get trashed bythe right. I would bet that if Troy Aikman or Emmett Smith was running on the Democratic ticket rumors would go out in a fever. Everyone knows Clinton is a kinky old dude but rape is far fetched.
I read that the author claims this took place so let's look at some legitimate dirt on George:
1. DUI = yes records to prove it
2. Ducked Vietnam = yes passed the waiting list for Guard entry, records prove it
3. Current Job = you decide, high gas prices, dollar still weak on the world stage, still operating deep in the red, Iraq still no exit plan, heck I never saw a real entry plan, troops are still not properly equipped for mission so he doesn't mind sending others into harms way while not doing his job
4. Phonics = just listen to him speak, I can find some quotes if you really want to argue this one.
5. He is not a bad guy just a bad President, history will not speak highly of him. Even at his funeral.
I see protrash is still putting his head in the sand
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Hitlery Clinton, John Edwards, and Howard Dean are the strongest Demoncrap names you can throw out there? Wow......put down another W for the GOP next election. Rape and Clinton is not a far fetched theory, i.e. Juanita Broaddrick. If he'll rape another married woman, why not his own wife?
Ducked Vietanam? Silly rabbit....that would be Bill clinton...he was overseas bad mouthing the country and listening to rock and roll music, while W satisfied his military requirements in the Guard. History will remember W as the man who brought a stop to the onslaught of Muslim attacks on our people, the man who led us out of the shadow of 911. They'll remember Clinton as "that blow job dude. The one that got impeached." And to bitch about the troops nopt being properly equipped, and blame it on the current administration is pathetic. Who put the military into this state? Who cut defense spending over and over and over? Was it...maybe....SATAN? No, not quite.....but it was his right hand man, Bill Clinnochio.
So basically you agree that GW can't do his job. If after 5 years in office he has been unable to change the state of the military then yes I do blame him for the current state of our military. Please find a better excuse to relieve him of his responsibilities as President. Aside from being the blow job guy Clinton will always be held in high esteem by the the Irish you can read about it if you like it would be the Good Friday Agreement. He was not a great President overall I admit. I am just puzzled as to why you feel Bush is quickly leading us out of the 9-11 shadow when we are still fighting the Muslims on every front, still watching our ill-equipped soldiers die, still spending millions in Iraq with no end in site. Please put forth the effort to formulate an intellectual response that does not involve Democrat bashing. Bush has done a great job with our National Security i.e. Airports, border control, Air Marshalls and such, I give him credit. With that said how is it he hasn't changed the state of the military?
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So basically you agree that GW can't do his job. If after 5 years in office he has been unable to change the state of the military then yes I do blame him for the current state of our military. Please find a better excuse to relieve him of his responsibilities as President. Aside from being the blow job guy Clinton will always be held in high esteem by the the Irish you can read about it if you like it would be the Good Friday Agreement. He was not a great President overall I admit. I am just puzzled as to why you feel Bush is quickly leading us out of the 9-11 shadow when we are still fighting the Muslims on every front, still watching our ill-equipped soldiers die, still spending millions in Iraq with no end in site. Please put forth the effort to formulate an intellectual response that does not involve Democrat bashing. Bush has done a great job with our National Security i.e. Airports, border control, Air Marshalls and such, I give him credit. With that said how is it he hasn't changed the state of the military?
how exactly dose GWB (being one man) change the state of the army when you have all the other elected cockroaches that filibuster and prevent things from happening? plus we have to follow a budget...

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how exactly dose GWB (being one man) change the state of the army when you have all the other elected cockroaches that filibuster and prevent things from happening? plus we have to follow a budget...

it's all good....the Irish liked it before W was PResident.............




(Where DOES Pro get his uncharacteristically illogical sense of logic from???)

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how exactly dose GWB (being one man) change the state of the army when you have all the other elected cockroaches that filibuster and prevent things from happening? plus we have to follow a budget...
SHHHH...don't ruin Pro Trashes soap box speeches with little things like the truth.
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how exactly dose GWB (being one man) change the state of the army when you have all the other elected cockroaches that filibuster and prevent things from happening? plus we have to follow a budget...
So basically anything in the executive and legislative branch that goes well let's give the credit to Bush. Anything that does not go well place the blame on the Legislative branch. Please
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(Where DOES Pro get his uncharacteristically illogical sense of logic from???)

I did expect something more in the way of logic versus denial. I do understand we work with what god gives us. By the way you sure proved your point about the military not being GWs responsibility to me .
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Please Al do bring about your wealth of knowledge of the current state of US military affairs. Also explain to me how 5 years is not enough time to fix this issue when we have been at war since the Fall of 2001. We have been in Iraq since the Spring of 2003 so what exactly is the problem with properly arming our troops. Maybe you remember when Rumsfeld was questioned by the troops? Here allow me : http://www.swingstateproject.com/200...ound_troo.html

" "Why don't we have those resources readily available to us?" Specialist Wilson asked Mr. Rumsfeld, drawing cheers and applause from many of the 2,300 troops assembled in a cavernous hangar here to meet the secretary. Mr. Rumsfeld responded that the military was producing extra armor for Humvees and trucks as fast as possible.
A few minutes later, a soldier from the Idaho National Guard's 116th Armor Cavalry Brigade asked Mr. Rumsfeld what he and the Army were doing "to address shortages and antiquated equipment" National Guard soldiers heading to Iraq were struggling with.

Mr. Rumsfeld seemed taken aback by the question and a murmur began spreading through the ranks before he silenced them. "Now settle down, settle down," he said. "Hell, I'm an old man, it's early in the morning and I'm gathering my thoughts here "
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So basically anything in the executive and legislative branch that goes well let's give the credit to Bush. Anything that does not go well place the blame on the Legislative branch. Please
all I've seen from the liberal media is credit is always given to democrats and to John McCain. And all the negitive media is given to Bush. Its been this way for 5 yrs now, have you not caught on?

I guess you cant comprehend that our military's prosperity not always depends on one man being our president? You were in the military, I tought out of anyone you would understand this!

I guess this is how your simplistic view works?
(general) President Bush, I need more armor
(bush) ok general, heres 40 billion, go get some

If the above were true? it would be bush's fault
Arent we missing something in there?
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So basically you agree that GW can't do his job. If after 5 years in office he has been unable to change the state of the military then yes I do blame him for the current state of our military. Please find a better excuse to relieve him of his responsibilities as President. Aside from being the blow job guy Clinton will always be held in high esteem by the the Irish you can read about it if you like it would be the Good Friday Agreement. He was not a great President overall I admit. I am just puzzled as to why you feel Bush is quickly leading us out of the 9-11 shadow when we are still fighting the Muslims on every front, still watching our ill-equipped soldiers die, still spending millions in Iraq with no end in site. Please put forth the effort to formulate an intellectual response that does not involve Democrat bashing. Bush has done a great job with our National Security i.e. Airports, border control, Air Marshalls and such, I give him credit. With that said how is it he hasn't changed the state of the military?
I'll agree with you on the airport security. But I vehemently disagree with you on border control. Read the statistics. The amount of illegals crossing the border has astonomically increased since GWB took office. How is that increasing border control? Sure, maybe he signed a bill to allow FUNDING of more border agents, but where are the agents? Where are the funds actually going?

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It's sad to see in a way, but the Dem's are DONE. The inmates are running the asylum.

If Hillary does run, all that needs to be done is to mention her wonderful healthcare plan, that completely bombed. We'll go through all that Vince Foster stuff, the McDougal's, Rose law firm, and on and on... Run her fat ass out there! It'll be Reagan/Carter all over again.

Was Pro Trash born this way, or was he brainwashed at that state funded cult down in College Station?

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Please Al do bring about your wealth of knowledge of the current state of US military affairs. Also explain to me how 5 years is not enough time to fix this issue when we have been at war since the Fall of 2001. We have been in Iraq since the Spring of 2003 so what exactly is the problem with properly arming our troops.
I guess you never learned from WW2? How long it lasted? how well equiped we were? but we still won! War is never easy as history has shown. Im surpised Im having to preach and teach you on this matter...
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all I've seen from the liberal media is credit is always given to democrats and to John McCain. And all the negitive media is given to Bush. Its been this way for 5 yrs now, have you not caught on?

I guess you cant comprehend that our military's prosperity not always depends on one man being our president? You were in the military, I tought out of anyone you would understand this!

I guess this is how your simplistic view works?
(general) President Bush, I need more armor
(bush) ok general, heres 40 billion, go get some

If the above were true? it would be bush's fault
Arent we missing something in there?
Have you ever been under fire? It is a simple yes or no question and if you have then you would look to the lead. The lead of our military in this country is the President also known as the Commander in Chief, he is the one held accountable for both good and bad. We all have our obstacles when in leadership roles, a leader is suppose to multi task with efficiency. I understand it is a budget issue but I also was taught as a young soldier to never over estimate your force and always plan for contingencies. Bush has shown poor leadership skills in the Iraq issue from the start when ignored both. I feel his office underestimated the time hacks, personnel requirements and budget for this operation and never accounted for the insurgents.
Had this administration simply been students of history and learned from the past they would have had a road map. The last time a super power tried to take over a Muslim Country in the Middle East was the 1980s. Afghanistan went very poorly for the USSR due to insurgents. So yes the Bush administration is to blame for not factoring the long terms threats that were clearly present
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It's sad to see in a way, but the Dem's are DONE. The inmates are running the asylum.

If Hillary does run, all that needs to be done is to mention her wonderful healthcare plan, that completely bombed. We'll go through all that Vince Foster stuff, the McDougal's, Rose law firm, and on and on... Run her fat ass out there! It'll be Reagan/Carter all over again.

Was Pro Trash born this way, or was he brainwashed at that state funded cult down in College Station?
I don't contend that any of the Democrats are viable candidates, the only person I currently would like to see run and win in 2008 is McCain. I am not a steadfast Dem but with that said I am not willing to set by and watch as you so elegantly put "brainwashed' right wingers act as though Bush is the best thing since Drag Slicks. I am interested to see what happens to the Democratic Party, if you look back in history we have had many political parties rise and fall. This may be the end of the Democrats and the beginning of a new party. The problem is we will still suffer from the affects of a 2 party system. We will be led by professional politicians who have no clue as to what it is like to be regular citizens, subject to their illogical ideals as to what is or is not good for us.
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Just by posting that it shows how you will go to any lengths to keep a democrat from running for President. It really doesn't matter if it is Hillary Clinton, John Edwards, Howard Dean or heck pick your own, they get trashed bythe right. I would bet that if Troy Aikman or Emmett Smith was running on the Democratic ticket rumors would go out in a fever. Everyone knows Clinton is a kinky old dude but rape is far fetched.
I read that the author claims this took place so let's look at some legitimate dirt on George:
1. DUI = yes records to prove it
2. Ducked Vietnam = yes passed the waiting list for Guard entry, records prove it
3. Current Job = you decide, high gas prices, dollar still weak on the world stage, still operating deep in the red, Iraq still no exit plan, heck I never saw a real entry plan, troops are still not properly equipped for mission so he doesn't mind sending others into harms way while not doing his job
4. Phonics = just listen to him speak, I can find some quotes if you really want to argue this one.
5. He is not a bad guy just a bad President, history will not speak highly of him. Even at his funeral.
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It's about freaking time we had someone type this up here. It seems as if all the rights on this board seem to forget that ol' Georgie Boy was pretty much a failure at everything until he was 40. Not to mention, his fake Texas accent is horrible.
Even though the only other viable option for president would have been Kerry, at least Kerry is a soldier who had an average life like us. I'd much prefer someone who knows what war is really like while running this country in a time of war, rather than someone who ran from a war, did lots of c*ke, bankrupted himself on more than one occasion, and not to mention- that annoying snicker he throws in every once in awhile.

BTW: ALL POLITICIANS LIE, IT'S PART OF THE GAME.

Also, I had read and heard that his Grandfather did business with the Nazi's:
http://www.nhgazette.com/cgi-bin/NHG...NN_Bush_Nazi_2

And on a side note: This book is ridiculous. I may not want her as my president, but this book is the equvialent of throwing your own sh*t on someone. Like a chimp.

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I guess you never learned from WW2? How long it lasted? how well equiped we were? but we still won! War is never easy as history has shown. Im surpised Im having to preach and teach you on this matter...
You actually have not taught me anything, the comparison you are utilizing lacks a logical end. We were attacked by Japan in 1941 we had no choice about entering into a war they attacked our Naval Fleet. We were attacked in 2001 by an enemy with essentially no home, we went to the logical place, Afghanistan and fought. This was a good decision we had the assets and the right of way. There is no real comparison between Hitler and Sadam. If you feel there is go to the Hollacaust Center in Dallas and ask those know first hand. Also we didn't win WWII all by our lonesome. Credit needs to go to the French Resistance, the Brits, the Russians and so forth. Don't pretend this is a World War or was ever capable of being one. Keep reading history books you'll get there.
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Have you ever been under fire? It is a simple yes or no question and if you have then you would look to the lead. The lead of our military in this country is the President also known as the Commander in Chief, he is the one held accountable for both good and bad. We all have our obstacles when in leadership roles, a leader is suppose to multi task with efficiency. I understand it is a budget issue but I also was taught as a young soldier to never over estimate your force and always plan for contingencies. Bush has shown poor leadership skills in the Iraq issue from the start when ignored both. I feel his office underestimated the time hacks, personnel requirements and budget for this operation and never accounted for the insurgents.
Had this administration simply been students of history and learned from the past they would have had a road map. The last time a super power tried to take over a Muslim Country in the Middle East was the 1980s. Afghanistan went very poorly for the USSR due to insurgents. So yes the Bush administration is to blame for not factoring the long terms threats that were clearly present
Why dose it matter if I've been under fire? If I havent? dose that give you the bigger pants on the message board? Dose it help your ego? Please, Pro Trash we've been though your Mr. Tuff man attitude before, and you have gotten owned everytime in this forum. So if our president is reponsibile for our military and takes all the credit, if our prez is doing bad? our military is doing bad? if our prez is incompetent in Iraq then our military is incompetent in Iraq? really? I though you would hold the military in higer reguards?

So do to past history? we should just do nothing about insergants? Just wait around till they attack again? or try to negoiate more with MAD men at the UN's door step?
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Why dose it matter if I've been under fire? If I havent? dose that give you the bigger pants on the message board? Dose it help your ego? Please, Pro Trash we've been though your Mr. Tuff man attitude before, and you have gotten owned everytime in this forum. So if our president is reponsibile for our military and takes all the credit, if our prez is doing bad? our military is doing bad? if our prez is incompetent in Iraq then our military is incompetent in Iraq? really? I though you would hold the military in higer reguards?

So do to past history? we should just do nothing about insergants? Just wait around till they attack again? or try to negoiate more with MAD men at the UN's door step?
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It has nothing to do with being tough or not, it has to do with understanding. Our men and women are being shot at every day, they lack the essential armor to fight properly. If you in anyway excuse this then you have no idea and my experiences lend a much different perspective on this for me. So please don't turn this on me and start the bash Trash show, I served that is all that matters on that subject. Remember this is about the Bush administrations inability to prepare our troops for war. They have little or no voice while he and his people are extending their enlistments, back door extensions, adding months to the deployments, sending the NTC troops to Iraq. When you send the 11th CAV from Fort Irwin, CA to Iraq and shut down the Desert Training center you are hurting on manpower you really screweed up somewhere. I guess this all okay with you or you really just don't undertand.
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You actually have not taught me anything, the comparison you are utilizing lacks a logical end. We were attacked by Japan in 1941 we had no choice about entering into a war they attacked our Naval Fleet. We were attacked in 2001 by an enemy with essentially no home, we went to the logical place, Afghanistan and fought. This was a good decision we had the assets and the right of way. There is no real comparison between Hitler and Sadam. If you feel there is go to the Hollacaust Center in Dallas and ask those know first hand. Also we didn't win WWII all by our lonesome. Credit needs to go to the French Resistance, the Brits, the Russians and so forth. Don't pretend this is a World War or was ever capable of being one. Keep reading history books you'll get there.
How long in WWII did we stay out of the war before we joined in? could WWII been prevented? possibly yes, but we were not proactive enough at first to find out!
And look here in Iraq, we are being proactive and taking out a dictator who massicured his own people and had plans for WMDs. You seem kinda naive to to think you know the future to know if terrorism will lead to a WW.
Are you not forgetting something? we are not fighting this war alone. We have many countries that have sent troops and the most important ally we have is the Iraq troops. But I guess you would forget them and say we're fight this alone.. Figures for a lib...
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It has nothing to do with being tough or not, it has to do with understanding. Our men and women are being shot at every day, they lack the essential armor to fight properly. If you in anyway excuse this then you have no idea and my experiences lend a much different perspective on this for me. So please don't turn this on me and start the bash Trash show, I served that is all that matters on that subject. Remember this is about the Bush administrations inability to prepare our troops for war. They have little or no voice while he and his people are extending their enlistments, back door extensions, adding months to the deployments, sending the NTC troops to Iraq. When you send the 11th CAV from Fort Irwin, CA to Iraq and shut down the Desert Training center you are hurting on manpower you really screweed up somewhere. I guess this all okay with you or you really just don't undertand.
All I can say is that all though our history of war, we have never been 100% prepared. Even when we stormed the beaches of normandy we were not prepared right. But will still have won the war and came out vitorous b/c we are americans. You know why were not always prepared right? is b/c I like to say b/c were all humans and make mistakes. Besides war should always be a need and not a want. A peacefull Iraq now is a need, and I hope you are behind our troops and encourage them unlike your political party leaders! Pulling out of Iraq now early would be a big mistake and show the terrorist just how week we are.
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Even though the only other viable option for president would have been Kerry, at least Kerry is a soldier who had an average life like us.
Sadly, you lost ALL credibility with this statement here. I did read the rest of your post, but it all sounded like regurgitated liberal commie crap.
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Also we didn't win WWII all by our lonesome. Credit needs to go to the French Resistance, the Brits, the Russians and so forth. Don't pretend this is a World War or was ever capable of being one. Keep reading history books you'll get there.
No, we didn't defeat Germany alone. Really, the Russians and their unbelievable casualty count did. The American air offensive was really important strategically, but you can't discount what everyone else did as well. But we defeated Japan just about single-handedly.

Oh, and this IS the beginnings of a world war, one of Islam versus western civilization. If you like televisions and your wife's right to drive, I suggest you straighten up and fly right. This is going to be a long and drawn out war, with many deaths and historical consequences. LOL that Gitmo has become the Democrats' (liberals') talking point, those detainees are living better there than they ever did in the middle eastern desert.
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they lack the essential armor to fight properly. If you in anyway excuse this then you have no idea
That article is from six months ago; the problem was at it's peak and armor production was stepped up because of it. That additional production has made it's way to the battlefield; that's why we haven't heard anything else in six months.
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It's about freaking time we had someone type this up here. It seems as if all the rights on this board seem to forget that ol' Georgie Boy was pretty much a failure at everything until he was 40. Not to mention, his fake Texas accent is horrible.
He graduated from Yale and Harvard. Where Ivy League schools are you undergraduate and MBA from?
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WHAT THE FUCK??????? Uhm, W is a dirt farmer when contrasted to the money Hanoi John grew up with. Get a fuckin clue. BTW, KErry is a soldier who has admitted to war crimes, and should have been tried for them. Piss on him.
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And look here in Iraq, we are being proactive and taking out a dictator who massicured his own people and had plans for WMDs.
The whole reason we declared war on Iraq was because he "Had" WMDs. Not that he "had plans for" them -- but I guess that's what they want us to believe now, huh? Typical conservative.

Now it's time for you to get your history right.

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And in the 90s version, we could have questions like the following: I railed on from the Senate floor about how important it was to attack Iraq due to to the presence of WMD. Who am I?
A. Bill Clinnochio
b. Teddy "Chappaquidick" Kennedy
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Answer: E, for every fucking one of them. Now shut your pie hole, and try again, junior.
We legally invaded Iraq, thanks to the heinous violations of UN sanction after UN sanction. Why dont you ask a Kurd if theyre better off now? Or did you like it when Saddam gassed his own peeps, by the 1000s?

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The whole reason we declared war on Iraq was because he "Had" WMDs. Not that he "had plans for" them -- but I guess that's what they want us to believe now, huh? Typical conservative.

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How long in WWII did we stay out of the war before we joined in? could WWII been prevented? possibly yes, but we were not proactive enough at first to find out!
And look here in Iraq, we are being proactive and taking out a dictator who massicured his own people and had plans for WMDs. You seem kinda naive to to think you know the future to know if terrorism will lead to a WW.
Are you not forgetting something? we are not fighting this war alone. We have many countries that have sent troops and the most important ally we have is the Iraq troops. But I guess you would forget them and say we're fight this alone.. Figures for a lib...
Not sure where you went with that or how you got there. I don't recall finding any WMD recently not to mention if they are as you all contend in other countries hidden why are we not looking for those with a fever. I didn't contend terrorism was leading to a World War but it is not out of the question. A man once told me what ever you can imagine can happen. I never said we were fighting in Iraq alone you assumed I made this point. I only pointed out my concern for the welfare of our soldiers, all other points added are yours to contend with in your own struggle to keep pace.
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Even though the only other viable option for president would have been Kerry, at least Kerry is a soldier who had an average life like us.
Sadly, you lost ALL credibility with this statement here. I did read the rest of your post, but it all sounded like regurgitated liberal commie crap.

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Kerry has a background more similar to you than Bush could ever have. Yea, Kerry entered politics and became a politician, instantly making himself a completely different type of citizen. But above all, He was a solider, fought in Vietnam (another senseless political "war", aimed at fighting "commies" as you put it, instead of fighting them here), and at least he had the guts to speak out on the issue back then and help bring an end to the "war" (which was never congressionally declared a war).

On the other hand, maybe Bush is more like you:
Born in New Haven, Connecticut. Grandfather (Prescott Bush) had banking and business aggrements with the Nazi's. Went AWOL from the Texas Nat'l Guard for 6 months in the late 1960s. Flew an obsolete fighting craft simply to avoid going to Vietnam. DUI offender. C*ke head during much of this time. Alcoholic afterwards. C average student in college. (Granted, I'm no Deans' List/Valedictorian, but for the leader of the country I am a proud citizen of and of which I love, I simply demand better for myself and my country.) The list is pretty condemming.

Maybe you just don't like anything but your own patterns of thought. How about reading more, and opening up your obvious closed-headed thinking and considering that the guy you voted for wasn't the "chosen" one. Remember: religion is not only a holy institution, it is also a tool one could use to gain control.

Please excuse me for actually knowing what I'm talking about. Since when is the form of government called Communism synonymous with "Liberal"?
And BTW: the French resistance was a huge factor in winning the war AGAINST the Nazis.

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And in the 90s version, we could have questions like the following: I railed on from the Senate floor about how important it was to attack Iraq due to to the presence of WMD. Who am I?
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Answer: E, for every fucking one of them. Now shut your pie hole, and try again, junior.
We legally invaded Iraq, thanks to the heinous violations of UN sanction after UN sanction. Why dont you ask a Kurd if theyre better off now? Or did you like it when Saddam gassed his own peeps, by the 1000s?
You know we all believed he had WMD based off the intelligence given to us. This ulitimately goes back to those who have the final say. That would be GW who asked for the go ahead to invade based off the intelligence offered. Just because it was wrong does not make him magically not responsible for the decision that was made to go to war. How do you account for the poor showing following the intial invasion, experts told him he needed a larger force for the long term mission. I guessed he decided to shoot from the hip but shot himseld in the foot. Once again you are seemingly incapable of mentioning a Dem without some juvenile nickname which only serves to impede any credit you could attain for your biased knowledge base.
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Even though the only other viable option for president would have been Kerry, at least Kerry is a soldier who had an average life like us.
Sadly, you lost ALL credibility with this statement here. I did read the rest of your post, but it all sounded like regurgitated liberal commie crap.

Allow me to make myself a little more understood:
Kerry has a background more similar to you than Bush could ever have. Yea, Kerry entered politics and became a politician, instantly making himself a completely different type of citizen. But above all, He was a solider, fought in Vietnam (another senseless political "war", aimed at fighting "commies" as you put it, instead of fighting them here), and at least he had the guts to speak out on the issue back then and help bring an end to the "war" (which was never congressionally declared a war).

On the other hand, maybe Bush is more like you:
Born in New Haven, Connecticut. Grandfather (Prescott Bush) had banking and business aggrements with the Nazi's. Went AWOL from the Texas Nat'l Guard for 6 months in the late 1960s. Flew an obsolete fighting craft simply to avoid going to Vietnam. DUI offender. C*ke head during much of this time. Alcoholic afterwards. C average student in college. (Granted, I'm no Deans' List/Valedictorian, but for the leader of the country I am a proud citizen of and of which I love, I simply demand better for myself and my country.) The list is pretty condemming.

Maybe you just don't like anything but your own patterns of thought. How about reading more, and opening up your obvious closed-headed thinking and considering that the guy you voted for wasn't the "chosen" one. Remember: religion is not only a holy institution, it is also a tool one could use to gain control.

Please excuse me for actually knowing what I'm talking about. Since when is the form of government called Communism synonymous with "Liberal"?
And BTW: the French resistance was a huge factor in winning the war AGAINST the Nazis.

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Allow me to make myself a little more understood:
Kerry has a background more similar to you than Bush could ever have. Yea, Kerry entered politics and became a politician, instantly making himself a completely different type of citizen. But above all, He was a solider, fought in Vietnam (another senseless political "war", aimed at fighting "commies" as you put it, instead of fighting them here), and at least he had the guts to speak out on the issue back then and help bring an end to the "war" (which was never congressionally declared a war).
Let's see....he tried to get out of going, while there he committed war crimes, and he got out by getting 3 scratches and finding a loophole. Yea, let me bow at his feet......
He then committed at the least sedition, and possibly treason, by doing the same crap Fonda did.

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The list is crapola, and one of your claims was so bunk, it forced Dan Rather to quit. Do you have a source for the cokehead claim? Do you realize he gratuated from not 1, but 2, Ivy League schools. Where is your MBA from? Oh, and you do know he had better grades than Hanoi John, don't you?
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Well there goes the fuckin SKUNK calling the DOG STINKY!!!

And like it or not, W did something Clinnochio NEVER did: Won with a mandate.
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You really do believe that....Someone lied to you, in a HUGE way.

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Please Al do bring about your wealth of knowledge of the current state of US military affairs. Also explain to me how 5 years is not enough time to fix this issue when we have been at war since the Fall of 2001. We have been in Iraq since the Spring of 2003 so what exactly is the problem with properly arming our troops. Maybe you remember when Rumsfeld was questioned by the troops? Here allow me : http://www.swingstateproject.com/200...ound_troo.html

" "Why don't we have those resources readily available to us?" Specialist Wilson asked Mr. Rumsfeld, drawing cheers and applause from many of the 2,300 troops assembled in a cavernous hangar here to meet the secretary. Mr. Rumsfeld responded that the military was producing extra armor for Humvees and trucks as fast as possible.
A few minutes later, a soldier from the Idaho National Guard's 116th Armor Cavalry Brigade asked Mr. Rumsfeld what he and the Army were doing "to address shortages and antiquated equipment" National Guard soldiers heading to Iraq were struggling with.

Mr. Rumsfeld seemed taken aback by the question and a murmur began spreading through the ranks before he silenced them. "Now settle down, settle down," he said. "Hell, I'm an old man, it's early in the morning and I'm gathering my thoughts here "
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All I can say is that all though our history of war, we have never been 100% prepared. Even when we stormed the beaches of normandy we were not prepared right. But will still have won the war and came out vitorous b/c we are americans. You know why were not always prepared right? is b/c I like to say b/c were all humans and make mistakes. Besides war should always be a need and not a want. A peacefull Iraq now is a need, and I hope you are behind our troops and encourage them unlike your political party leaders! Pulling out of Iraq now early would be a big mistake and show the terrorist just how week we are.
I concur we need to see it through we are to far in to pull out. I just feel a different plan is needed with an actual exit strategy, heck if it a 20 year plan I am okay with it but the current plan is a patch it as it breaks plan. Reaction plans are not what is needed proactive plans with a future vision. I don't see the current administration being able to pull that off.
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Why didnt we send more? Uh, duh.......did you forget the massive downsizing our armed forces went thru from 1992-2000? Bottom line is, had your boy The Philanderer taken OBL when he had the chance, both WTC bombing would have been avoided, and we wouldnt have had to attack Afghanistan. Would have left a lot more resources for Iraq.


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You know we all believed he had WMD based off the intelligence given to us. This ulitimately goes back to those who have the final say. That would be GW who asked for the go ahead to invade based off the intelligence offered. Just because it was wrong does not make him magically not responsible for the decision that was made to go to war. How do you account for the poor showing following the intial invasion, experts told him he needed a larger force for the long term mission. I guessed he decided to shoot from the hip but shot himseld in the foot. Once again you are seemingly incapable of mentioning a Dem without some juvenile nickname which only serves to impede any credit you could attain for your biased knowledge base.

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I concur we need to see it through we are to far in to pull out. I just feel a different plan is needed with an actual exit strategy, heck if it a 20 year plan I am okay with it but the current plan is a patch it as it breaks plan. Reaction plans are not what is needed proactive plans with a future vision. I don't see the current administration being able to pull that off.
Oh, so you know the plan for leaving Iraq huh? I mean you must since you have commented on the current plan.

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Oh, so you know the plan for leaving Iraq huh? I mean you must since you have commented on the current plan.
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The whole reason we declared war on Iraq was because he "Had" WMDs. Not that he "had plans for" them -- but I guess that's what they want us to believe now, huh? Typical conservative.

Now it's time for you to get your history right.
Now again its time to correct a ignorant or stupid liberal again. He had them and we know b/c he used them on his own people. Or did you just forget about that?
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Now again its time to correct a ignorant or stupid liberal again.
little redundant, no?

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Now again its time to correct a ignorant or stupid liberal again. He had them and we know b/c he used them on his own people. Or did you just forget about that?
He also had thousands of 55 gallon drums of the raw materials to manufacture mustard gas. Dimethyl sulfide I think it's called. Ask Denny, he's the one who has to clean that shit up.
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