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If You Are Not A Republican...

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Senator John Glenn

WHAT SENATOR JOHN GLENN SAID:

Things that make you think a little.......

1. There were 39 combat related killings in Iraq during January.... In the fair city of Detroit there were 35 murders in the month of January. That's just one American city, about as deadly as the entire war torn country of Iraq .


2. When some claim President Bush shouldn't have started this war, state the following:


a. FDR...led us into World War II.
b. Germany never attacked us: Japan did.
From 1941-1945, 450,000 lives were lost, an average of 112,500 per year.
c. Truman...finished that war and started one in Korea. North Korea never attacked us. From 1950-1953, 55,000 lives were lost, an average of 18,334 per year.
d. John F. Kennedy. .started the Vietnam conflict in 1962.

Vietnam never attacked us.
e. Johnson..turned Vietnam into a quagmire. From 1965-1975,

58,000 lives were lost, an average of 5,800 per year.

f. Clinton...went to war in Bosnia without UN or French consent.

Bosnia never attacked us. He was offered Osama bin Laden's head on a platter three times by Sudan and did nothing Osama has attacked us on multiple occasions.

g. In the years since terrorists attacked us President Bush has liberated two countries, crushed the Taliban, crippled al-Qaida, put nuclear inspectors in Libya, Iran and North Korea without firing a shot, and captured a terrorist who slaughtered 300,000 of his own people.



The Democrats are complaining about how long the war is taking, but...It took less time to take Iraq than it took Janet Reno to take the Branch Davidian compound. That was a 51-day operation.

We've been looking for evidence of chemical weapons in Iraq for less time than it took Hillary Clinton to find the Rose Law Firm billing records.

It took less time for the 3rd Infantry Division and the Marines to destroy the Medina Republican Guard than it took Ted Kennedy to call the police after his Oldsmobile sank at Chapaquiddick

It took less time to take Iraq than it took to count the votes in Florida!!!!

Our Commander-In-Chief is doing a GREAT JOB! The Military morale is high!


The biased media hopes we are too ignorant to realize the facts.

But Wait, there's more....................

JOHN GLENN (ON THE SENATE FLOOR)
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 11:13

Some people still don't understand why military personnel do what they do for a living. This exchange between Senators John Glenn and Senator Howard Metzenbaum is worth reading. Not only is it a pretty impressive impromptu speech, but it's also a good example of one man's explanation of why men and women in the armed services do what they do for a living.

This IS a typical, though sad, example of what some who have never served think of the military.

Senator Metzenbaum (speaking to Senator Glenn): "How can you run for Senate when you've never held a real job?" Senator Glenn (D-Ohio): "I served 23 years in the United States Marine Corps. I served through two wars. I flew 149 missions. My plane was hit by anti-aircraft fire on 12 different occasions. I was in the space program. It wasn't my checkbook, Howard; it was my life on the line. It was not a nine-to-five job, where I took time off to take the daily cash receipts to the bank."

"I ask you to go with me ... as I went the other day... to a veteran's hospital and look those men - with their mangled bodies - in the eye, and tell THEM they didn't hold a job! You go with me to the Space Program at NASA and go, as I have gone, to the widows and Orphans of Ed White, Gus Grissom and Roger Chaffee... and you look those kids in the eye and tell them that their DADS didn't hold a job. You go with me on Memorial Day and you stand in Arlington National Cemetery, where

I have more friends buried than I'd like to remember, and you watch those waving flags.

You stand there, and you think about this nation, and you tell ME that those people didn't have a job? I'll tell you, Howard Metzenbaum; you should be on your knees every day of your life thanking God that there were some men - SOME MEN - who held REAL jobs. And they required a dedication to a purpose - and a love of country and a dedication to duty - that was more important than life itself. And their self-sacrifice is what made this country possible. I HAVE held a job,

Howard! What about you?"

For those who don't remember - During W.W.II, Howard Metzenbaum was an attorney representing the Communist Party in the USA. Now he's a Senator!

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post #2 of 12 (permalink) Old 05-25-2005, 02:17 AM
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I've heard the 2nd speach before, still a great read.
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I'd like to believe this, but it sounds...odd for Glenn to say. After the campaigning he did for KErry, and the attacks on W during the election......esp over the Swift boat ads......

Seems a bit contradictory overall, but maybe the former Senator has finally seen the light?

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update.....see below, and pay close atention to the "update" section. Glenn was a Clintonista, and spent a lot of time supporting KErry during the last election.

I Have Held a Job!

Claim: Senate candidate John Glenn delivered a stinging rebuke to a challenger who accused him of never having held a job.

Status: True.

Example: [Collected on the Internet, 2000]

This exchange between Senators Glenn and Metzenbaum is worth reading. Pretty impressive impromptu speech! Next time someone accuses you or any veteran of not having a "job" because you're in the military, quote Sen Glenn.



Howard Metzenbaum to John Glenn:

Metzenbaum: "How can you run for Senate when you've never held a 'job'?"

Glenn: "I served 23 years in the United States Marine Corps. I was through two wars. I flew 149 missions. My plane was hit by anti-aircraft fire on 12 different occasions.

"I was in the space program. It wasn't my checkbook, it was my life that was on the line. This was not a 9-to-5 job where I took time off to take the daily cash receipts to the bank.

"I ask you to go with me, as I went the other day to a Veterans Hospital, and look those men with their mangled bodies in the eye and tell them they didn't hold a job.

"You go with me to any Gold Star mother, and you look her in the eye and tell her that her son did not hold a job.

"You go with me to the space program, and you go as I have gone to the widows and the orphans of Ed White and Gus Grissom and Roger Chaffee, and you look those kids in the eye and tell them that their dad didn't hold a job.

"You go with me on Memorial Day coming up, and you stand on Arlington National Cemetery — where I have more friends than I like to remember — and you watch those waving flags, and you stand there, and you think about this nation, and you tell me that those people didn't have a job.

"I tell you, Howard Metzenbaum, you should be on your knees every day of your life thanking God that there were some men — SOME MEN — who held a job. And they required a dedication to purpose and a love of country and a dedication to duty that was more important than life itself.

"And their self-sacrifice is what has made this country possible.

"I HAVE HELD A JOB, HOWARD!"

Origins: The item quoted above is indeed a relatively faithful transcript of candidate John Glenn's remarks during a 1974 debate with Howard Metzenbaum for the Democratic nomination to a U.S. Senate seat, but the circumstances that prompted Glenn's words were not quite as they're made out to be here.

The 1970 Democratic primary in Ohio for a U.S. Senate seat pitted two men who were just embarking on long careers in national politics: businessman Howard Metzenbaum vs. former Marine pilot and astronaut John Glenn. Although Glenn — a hero since his Mercury 6 flight eight years earlier had made him the first American astronaut to orbit the Earth — was the favorite, he lost the nomination to Metzenbaum following a campaign remarkable for its rancor, and Glenn came away from the experience bitter over a false rumor, attributed to a Metzenbaum aide, that he and his wife were on the verge of a divorce. Metzenbaum lost the general election to Republican Robert Taft, Jr., but he was appointed to the U.S. Senate in 1974 when Ohio's other senator, William B. Saxbe, resigned to accept a nomination as U.S. Attorney General, setting the stage for Glenn to challenge Metzenbaum once again in the 1974 Democratic primary.

The candidates in the 1974 race were even more contentious than they had been four years earlier. Metzenbaum took to referring to Glenn disdainfully as "Colonel Glenn" to emphasize his military background (Glenn was a World War II and Korean War veteran and had retired as a colonel from the Marine Corps in 1965 after twenty-two years of service) — today military service is generally considered a positive attribute in a politician, but in 1974 America had just ended its long and controversial involvement in Vietnam, and the military was viewed with suspicion and distrust, especially by the large portion of the "baby boom" generation that had reached voting age.

A few days before a May 3 debate between the candidates at the Cleveland City Club, Metzenbaum (an entrepreneur who had created the Sun Newspapers chain in the 1960s and had co-founded APCOA, one of the nation's largest parking companies) charged that "Colonel Glenn" had never "met a payroll," implying that Glenn's background as a career military man meant he was lacking in the real-world business experience a U.S. Senator should possess. (Metzenbaum's claim wasn't quite accurate: After his retirement from the Marine Corps, Glenn had held a position as a business executive with Royal Crown Cola and had served both as a member of the board of directors and as president of Royal Crown International.)

Metzenbaum's comment was widely publicized and interpreted by many — including Glenn himself — as a slam that Glenn had "never held a (real) job (even though Metzenbaum hadn't actually used those words), and Glenn went into the Cleveland debate a few days later well-prepared to answer the charges. Although Metzenbaum didn't raise the "job" issue during the debate, Glenn nonetheless seized the opportunity to launch into his carefully-crafted "I have held a job" retort, invoking stirring images of motherhood, sacrifice, and patriotism. Although it was a rehearsed speech rather than the impromptu response legend has since made it out to be, Glenn's stinging rebuke to Metzenbaum was a masterful stroke that swung momentum in his favor. He bested Metzenbaum by 8 percentage points in the primary and was elected to the U.S. Senate in the general election, carrying all 88 counties in Ohio in the process.

Both men went on to enjoy long political careers, Glenn serving four consecutive terms in the U.S. Senate before retiring in 1998 and Metzenbaum winning election to the U.S. Senate three times himself, but the timeless lesson of that 1974 campaign will outlive them both: You impugn the reputation of a national hero at your own peril — especially when he has better speechwriters than you do.

Update: In 2005, someone prefaced the John Glenn/Howard Metzenbaum article with the following item about Iraq. This addendum has nothing to do with John Glenn — it's an anonymous piece that has been floating around the Internet since 2004, but because it has been tacked onto an article about Glenn, readers have been misled into thinking that it is a transcription of something he said: THE RIGHT PERSPECTIVE:

WHAT SENATOR JOHN GLENN SAID, Scroll down.

Things that make you think a little........

There were 39 combat related killings in Iraq during January....

In the fair city of Detroit there were 35 murders in the month of January.

That's just one American city, about as deadly as the entire war torn country of Iraq.

When some claim President Bush shouldn't have started this war, state the following...

FDR...led us into World War II. Germany never attacked us: Japan did. From 1941-1945, 450,000 lives were lost, an average of 112,500 per year.

Truman...finished that war and started one in Korea, North Korea never attacked us. From 1950-1953, 55,000 lives were lost, an average of 18,334 per year.

John F. Kennedy...started the Vietnam conflict in 1962. Vietnam never attacked us. Johnson...turned Vietnam into a quagmire. From 1965-1975, 58,000 lives were lost, an average of 5,800 per year.

Clinton...went to war in Bosnia without UN or French consent, Bosnia never attacked us. He was offered Osama bin Laden's head on a platter three times by Sudan and did nothing. Osama has attacked us on multiple occasions.

In the years since terrorists attacked us President Bush has ....liberated two countries; crushed the Taliban; crippled al-Qaida; put nuclear inspectors in Libya, Iran, and North Korea without firing a shot; and captured a terrorist who slaughtered 300,000 of his own people.

The Democrats are complaining about how long the war is taking, but...It took less time to take Iraq than it took Janet Reno to take the Branch Davidian compound- That was a 51-day operation.

We've been looking for evidence of chemical weapons in Iraq for less time than it took Hillary Clinton to find the Rose Law Firm billing records.

It took less time for the 3rd Infantry Division and the Marines to destroy the Medina Republican Guard than it took Ted Kennedy to call the police after his Oldsmobile sank at Chapaquiddick.

It took less time to take Iraq than it took to count the votes in Florida!!!!

Our Commander-In-Chief is doing a GREAT JOB! The Military morale is high!

The biased media hopes we are too ignorant to realize the facts.
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you do know john glenn is a democrat, right?

here's what he had to say about republican rhetoric during the last election:

"You've just got to separate out fact from fiction. . . . Too often, too often, in this country, if you hear something repeated, it's the old Hitler business -- if you hear something repeated, repeated, repeated, repeated, you start to believe it."

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Yes. "Iraq had no weapons of mass destruction" is an oft-used untrue phrase that comes to mind.

As does "Bush outlawed stem cell research."

I can think of more than just a few others...
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I would venture to say that the if you are trying to compare Bush to FDR you are in the hope zone. Sadam killed his own people, the Nazi's invaded Poland, France, Russia, etc.. How about these numbers did you realize that the Russians lost 20 million folks. PLease do not insult the Jews by trying to justify this war by making a weak comparison to WWII. We were attacked by surprise on 9-11 just as we were at Pearl in 1941. BUt Sadam was not bent on World domination, he wasn't bombing England, enslaving Poland, forcing Italy to submit to his wishes and making an alliance with Japan. When Japan declared war on us we went to war against them. This also placed us at odds against the Nazi's seeing that they had a pact with Japan, we call it the Axis. Japan ad Germany made a military alliance a full 1 year and 2 months before Pearl, so you theory on WWII is inherently flawed and wrong.

I found this quote on historychannel.com

"It originated as the Rome-Berlin axis, with the 1936 Hitler-Mussolini accord and their military alliance of May 1939. Extended to include Japan in September 1940—the so-called Berlin Pact—it had as later adherents Bulgaria, Croatia, Hungary, Romania, and Slovakia. Denmark, Finland, Spain, and the Japanese puppet regimes in Manchukuo and Nanking in China joined the Axis as adherents of the Anti-Comintern Pact, which had been signed by Germany and Japan in 1936.
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You know this strikes me as odd seeing that a dear friend of mine I just had dinner with this past week just returned from Iraq recently as part of the 1st Cav. He is a Chief Warrant Officer in Maint., he and I served in Storm together as enlisted folks and he has a different take on GW. He told me most soldiers grow to dislike him and Cheney. He explained to me how he and his men had to dig through the thrash to Armor their vehicles then when they were ordered to leave Iraq they were also ordered to give their armor to the incoming unit. This left them to make the journey out of Iraq into Kuwait without armor for their vehicles. So at this point who really gives a hoot about the President and his ideas. We have troops that are in serous hostile conditions, with little or no armor at times. They place their lives on the line and he is in Crawford nose-diving off his mountain bike hamming it up like a good ole boy for the cameras. You justify sending our troops half way around the world to throw down with an enemy that hides behind women and kids, he allows our troops to be tried for war crimes while they watch their friends get slaughtered like animals and then reason that there is some inherent nobilism in what GW is doing. I understand you have never been to combat Hook em but please tell me you feel for them and understand why some of us feel he is to blame for this issue, here and now. Also do not use the excuse that Senator so and so voted this or that down 5 years ago, what is our President doing to fix those problems right this minute? What is he doing to ensure our men and women are able to fight on a somewhat even playing field?
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Not trying to be a turd in a punchbowl, but FDR lost more of our troops in an HOUR than Bush has his entire administration!
The Germans didn't attack Pearl Harbor-why didn't we just go to Tokyo?
No war is liked, least of all by it's participants. Only history will show if this is truly a good/bad decision.


By the way Pro Trash, I'd like to personally thank you and your friend from the 1st Cav for serving our country so that we may have these discussions openly.

Have a good Memorial Day!

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Not trying to be a turd in a punchbowl, but FDR lost more of our troops in an HOUR than Bush has his entire administration!
The Germans didn't attack Pearl Harbor-why didn't we just go to Tokyo?
No war is liked, least of all by it's participants. Only history will show if this is truly a good/bad decision.


By the way Pro Trash, I'd like to personally thank you and your friend from the 1st Cav for serving our country so that we may have these discussions openly.

Have a good Memorial Day!
Remember Japan had an agreement with Germany that anyone they (Japan) were at war with Germany was at war with also. This is the same reason the British colonies in the South Pacific were not spared when Japan raided there. We had long aided Britain in her fight against the Nazi's, the Nazi's had attacked our Merchant fleets with their wolfpacks in the Northern Atlantic long before Pearl to stiffle our efforts to reconstitute the British. So we were looking to get even also, but as with any treaty the legal issue was that Germany and Japan made a pact to fight one anothers battles a year before Japan attacked Pearl. FDR led us into WWII I agree but he also led us out. I do not see Bush leading us out of this conflict we are in unless he makes some major changes. Will he ?
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He led us out with Fatman and Little Boy...A-bombs! Now what in the hell would the world say if Bush did THAT! LOL!

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He led us out with Fatman and Little Boy...A-bombs! Now what in the hell would the world say if Bush did THAT! LOL!
France: would bitch but don't they bitch about everything we do?

Germany: would protest in the radiation fallout, they are not the smartest when in a mob following the leader, remember WWII?

Iraq: would just disappear, but who would miss them anyhow?

Saudi: would restrict our oil, like that would do anything to our current gas prices!

Asia would get pissed but seeing that all Bush has to do is holler "Fat Man" I do believe they would quiet down!

Canada: well who really gives two shits what Canada thinks, half of them speak speak French anyhow!
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